GTRE GTX 35VS Kaveri

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Ajatshatru said:
Turkey is good at PR; India is not. But that doesn’t mean Turkey is ahead of India. Mark my words — you’ll see the GHATAK UCAV flying with the Kaveri engine before you even see a prototype of the Turkish engine undergoing ground tests. India conducted ground testing of the Kaveri engine 35 years ago, and since then, it has undergone multiple trials, including tests on flying testbeds.
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Ghatak airframe is already ready
It needs dry kaveri
 
Spitfire IX said:
From what I read in Turkish aviation media and fora and read from posters who sound informed, these 'stupid' - as you term them - Turks have a credible development strategy for developing an engine for their 5G fighter. Their TF6000 (6000 lb dry thrust) engine is in testing and is reported to have been run producing substantially more than 6000 lb of thrust.

Indeed, that engine will not be fully tested for some time. Nor the 10000 lb wet thrust version tagged TF10000 (testing yet to start, I believe).

I have read claims that the TF35000 will be installed in KAAN in 2028. IMO that would be for testing prototypes on the airframe.

My Turkish sources earlier this year speculated that a delay would be announced in the KAAN programme. I presume that referred to certified aircraft delivery to the TuAF in 2028 (with GE engines).
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All their so called indigenous TF programs are copies of the Ukrainian firm Motor Sich designs for high bypass TFs which they're trying desperately to convert into low bypass TFs.

At best even if they succeed these would be 3rd Gen TFs on par with the AL-31 we've been mfg for nearly 2 decades in house to power our MKIs where we've not only indigenized a substantial part of the TF by way of components but also increased the life time of these TFs to nearly 3000 hours from the original 500-1000 hours if I'm not mistaken.

If designing & developing a low bypass TF was that easy do you think China & India are fools for having spent all those resources including billions in case of China apart from nearly 4-5 decades & numerous industrial espionage programs to master the technology.
 
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Savageking456 said:
This foreign OEM thing seems so stupid
We dont have any leverage w.r.t critical engine technology so why would any country have govt to govt deal for joint development of high thrust engine?
As per samir V kamat sir we won't be able to use the alloys we developed during R&D if we got for foreign venture
And forget the IP
They will continue to delay and beat around the bush
I say gather talent pool of know how and consider it as national ambition to develop high thrust class engine for amca instead of relying foreign partner.
Creep failure was once of major issues which has been corrected by involving superalloys
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In this video Dr Samir Kamat sir gave a detailed explanation about DMS4 single crystal alloy, the good thing is, it is better than ReneN6 used in F414, it has raw metal temperature of 1120 deg C, with TBC & Air Cooling it can easily reach 1800-1850K benchmark, which means we can develop our own 110KN engine around it.....but sad thing is Dr Kamat himself said that he is not sure whether the Foreign OEM will use this DMS4 in 110KN engine, which means even after 110KN engine project, goras will have leverage over us

Another sad thing is that DMS4 is still at lab level & it was not scaled up to industrial level because Kaveri project is not moving ahead.

Only had they funded Kaveri properly, it could have reached 1800K today & thus some 52-54KN dry thrust & 80KN wet thrust ....


View: https://youtu.be/tnufsO6Bma4?si=_hmrjZVsUKjvOllR
 
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DancingPeacock said:
Source?....Also what is even meaning of fast tracking?
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All hogwash, I won't believe it until I see an FTB flying with Kaveri in Bharath, else its usually kadi ninda BS giving sound bites to our clueless patrakaars
 
Alpha Defense notes "all" the infra we'll need to get Kaveri properly going. A Thread.


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1927012734224269329

Also...


View: https://x.com/SJha1618/status/1927075716786532833

Mind you there are still things like EVD, 50k tonne press, advanced additive manufacturing for unique grades of titanium, etc that we need in "large numbers" and not to mention continuous spending for upkeep of all these facilities especially HATF and FTB, and of course specialized manpower with insane salaries.

Also...


View: https://x.com/wishkey/status/1927032057948934169
 
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Anonymous Bharata said:
In this video Dr Samir Kamat sir gave a detailed explanation about DMS4 single crystal alloy, the good thing is, it is better than ReneN6 used in F414, it has raw metal temperature of 1120 deg C, with TBC & Air Cooling it can easily reach 1800-1850K benchmark, which means we can develop our own 110KN engine around it.....but sad thing is Dr Kamat himself said that he is not sure whether the Foreign OEM will use this DMS4 in 110KN engine, which means even after 110KN engine project, goras will have leverage over us

Another sad thing is that DMS4 is still at lab level & it was not scaled up to industrial level because Kaveri project is not moving ahead.

Only had they funded Kaveri properly, it could have reached 1800K today & thus some 52-54KN dry thrust & 80KN wet thrust ....


View: https://youtu.be/tnufsO6Bma4?si=_hmrjZVsUKjvOllR
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Exactly what i am saying
 
Cyclops said:
Alpha Defense notes "all" the infra we'll need to get Kaveri properly going. A Thread.


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1927012734224269329

Also...


View: https://x.com/SJha1618/status/1927075716786532833

Mind you there are still things like EVD, 50k tonne press, advanced additive manufacturing for unique grades of titanium, etc that we need in "large numbers" and not to mention continuous spending for upkeep of all these facilities especially HATF and FTB, and of course specialized manpower with insane salaries.

Also...


View: https://x.com/wishkey/status/1927032057948934169
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Jokes aside that alpha defence thread still doesn't mention FTB, I am sorry that is THE crucial thing & must have been the first thing to have come up , else not a serious effort
 
AoN soon for 120 KN AMCA engine?



View: https://x.com/writetake/status/1927078471072632928
🎯 A renewed strategic thrust is now driving the engine mission, with all key domestic partners: GTRE, IAF, CEMILAC and academia onboard.
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🎯 A proposal for a 120 kN engine to power the #AMCA, in collaboration with private firms, has reached the pre-sanction stage.
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👆This to me is the operative part of the entire tweet. Prima facie it seems we're going in for an indigenous effort if we are to go by what Anantha Krishna is putting out.

Could be mistaken too .
 
Keep putting pressure on the Indian government to declare the Kaveri engine a national project. Every citizen in India needs to understand the importance of developing a domestic jet engine. People must be reminded of the immense amount of money that can be saved if the Kaveri engine succeeds. If issues like black money, the Rafale deal, Bofors, and AgustaWestland can become national debates, then why not the Kaveri engine?
 
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