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Indian MoD Opens Door for Russia in AMCA Engine Development – Indian Defence Research Wing

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This means negotiations with the 3 western parties or at least the ones who're interested in working with us has reached a fairly advanced stage & has now reached a roadblock.

Enter the Russkies who're so desperate that they'd offer 1+ 1 i.e for every TF we develop with them they'd throw in 1 for free.

The reason they've been brought in is to tell whomsoever we're negotiating with that we have options & this what those options look like.
 
Azaad said:
This means negotiations with the 3 western parties or at least the ones who're interested in working with us has reached a fairly advanced stage & has now reached a roadblock.

Enter the Russkies who're so desperate that they'd offer 1+ 1 i.e for every TF we develop with them they'd throw in 1 for free.

The reason they've been brought in is to tell whomsoever we're negotiating with that we have options & this what those options look like.
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lot of technologies we developing, i think we soon have our own jet engine.
 
Cyclops said:
I wonder if its possible to select 2 manufacturers just in case one of them flakes or will it result in cost overruns and unrealistic design changes...
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We don't have that much forward thinking. If MoD has commonsense, they would shortlist two partners and fund both of them with 2 Consortiums in India. Kick out HAL as it's just waste of money. With GTRE as Project lead, private sector companies like Azad, PTC, Kalyani, Godrej... Make two consortiums out of them and run the program.

I bet they will select single partner who would at the end either blackmail into releasing copious amounts of funds or withhold crucial elements. Then we will take big L. But, who guarantees that even in case of two partner model, both of them wouldn't hesitate to do the same?
 
GodEmperorDoom said:
We don't have that much forward thinking. If MoD has commonsense, they would shortlist two partners and fund both of them with 2 Consortiums in India. Kick out HAL as it's just waste of money. With GTRE as Project lead, private sector companies like Azad, PTC, Kalyani, Godrej... Make two consortiums out of them and run the program.

I bet they will select single partner who would at the end either blackmail into releasing copious amounts of funds or withhold crucial elements. Then we will take big L. But, who guarantees that even in case of two partner model, both of them wouldn't hesitate to do the same?
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We don't have the fucking money to do that, we're not US or china.



We are planning 5-6 billion dollars investment for 10+ years for amca's engine.

For comparison cost of development of rest of amca mk1 and create and test 4-5 prototypes is little bit below 2 billion.

The engine development is more expensive than rest of aircraft combined.
 
randombully said:
We don't have the fucking money to do that, we're not US or china.



We are planning 5-6 billion dollars investment for 10+ years for amca's engine.

For comparison cost of development of rest of amca mk1 and create and test 4-5 prototypes is little bit below 2 billion.

The engine development is more expensive than rest of aircraft combined.
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Are you still into we don't have money? We have money for 4B$ Predator Drones, 1B$ Apache, 7B$ Rafale but somehow don't have for engine.
 
GodEmperorDoom said:
Are you still into we don't have money? We have money for 4B$ Predator Drones, 1B$ Apache, 7B$ Rafale but somehow don't have for engine.
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That's the reason we don't have money
We spent 4b for drones,
1b for apache,
7b for rafale.
Gonna spend 30+b for mrfa.
We are also buying 80+trjasmk1a plus looking to order 90+more.
We are looking to develop and then buy 120+ tejas mk2 initially.
We are also doing deal of ge 414 for local production.
Etc.
 

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p82HwfbLh_Q&t=4571s&pp=ygUUZGVsaGkgZGVmZW5jZSByZXZpZXc%3D

Salient points:

1. The initial flutter and afterburner only came to light when GTRE put the engine on FTB. On their ground facility they did not able to detect anamoly.
2. Once the problem found, they took around 2-3 years to fix and then moved to FTB again.
3. Due to lack of test facilities we are wasting lot of time.
4. Eg. Compressor testing facility is in Germany. FTB in Russia.
5. For FTB we need to book slot and it should be in very well advance. Otherwise year delay is normal.
6. GTRE did not have full fledged Afterburner testing facility. Current one is an 25% scale version.
7. Lack of machinery also a challenge.
8. Raw material processing is slightly improved.


In short. MOD Babus were kanjoos and RM is retard in this things. Thus merry go round going on with Files.
 
ArjunMK1A said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p82HwfbLh_Q&t=4571s&pp=ygUUZGVsaGkgZGVmZW5jZSByZXZpZXc%3D

Salient points:

1. The initial flutter and afterburner only came to light when GTRE put the engine on FTB. On their ground facility they did not able to detect anamoly.
2. Once the problem found, they took around 2-3 years to fix and then moved to FTB again.
3. Due to lack of test facilities we are wasting lot of time.
4. Eg. Compressor testing facility is in Germany. FTB in Russia.
5. For FTB we need to book slot and it should be in very well advance. Otherwise year delay is normal.
6. GTRE did not have full fledged Afterburner testing facility. Current one is an 25% scale version.
7. Lack of machinery also a challenge.
8. Raw material processing is slightly improved.


In short. MOD Babus were kanjoos and RM is retard in this things. Thus merry go round going on with Files.
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WE NEED A STRONG NATIONWIDE PROTEST BY THE CONCERNED EDUCATED YOUTH TO ESTABLISH CRITICAL TECHNOLOGY BASES IN THE COUNTRY LIKE, COMPLETE TEST FACILITY FOR AERO-ENGINES, HIGH LEVEL METALLURGY, HIGH END AVIONICS, MORE INVOLVEMENT OF PRIVATE ENTITIES IN DEFENCE MANUFACTURING, RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT.
 
BHARAT KA BETA said:
WE NEED A STRONG NATIONWIDE PROTEST BY THE CONCERNED EDUCATED YOUTH TO ESTABLISH CRITICAL TECHNOLOGY BASES IN THE COUNTRY LIKE, COMPLETE TEST FACILITY FOR AERO-ENGINES, HIGH LEVEL METALLURGY, HIGH END AVIONICS, MORE INVOLVEMENT OF PRIVATE ENTITIES IN DEFENCE MANUFACTURING, RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT.
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Alright, tell me the date and time:military:.

Are you organizing it?:twitch:
 
BHARAT KA BETA said:
WE NEED A STRONG NATIONWIDE PROTEST BY THE CONCERNED EDUCATED YOUTH TO ESTABLISH CRITICAL TECHNOLOGY BASES IN THE COUNTRY LIKE, COMPLETE TEST FACILITY FOR AERO-ENGINES, HIGH LEVEL METALLURGY, HIGH END AVIONICS, MORE INVOLVEMENT OF PRIVATE ENTITIES IN DEFENCE MANUFACTURING, RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT.
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In india no educated modern youth cares
Few retards like us have useless interest in such topics
All they care irrespective of their educational background, college or stream is for an IT or finance job
They think core sector gives less salary and literally non existent so who cares
 
randombully said:
We don't have the fucking money to do that, we're not US or china.



We are planning 5-6 billion dollars investment for 10+ years for amca's engine.

For comparison cost of development of rest of amca mk1 and create and test 4-5 prototypes is little bit below 2 billion.

The engine development is more expensive than rest of aircraft combined.
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Not good comparison. While Amca development cost is for single jet program , money spent on 110kn engine will be utilised in multiple programs later on AMCA mk1,2,3 and lca mk2 mlu, tedbf mlu , and new gen stealth drones.
 
Indianhawk said:
Not good comparison. While Amca development cost is for single jet program , money spent on 110kn engine will be utilised in multiple programs later on AMCA mk1,2,3 and lca mk2 mlu, tedbf mlu , and new gen stealth drones.
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And technology developed for amca, will be used to upgrade other jets.

Will be used as basis for future 6th gen jet.
Etc.
 
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