IAF's Sukhoi Su-30MKI

[Kedar]

You literally countered none of my points dumbass.
I don’t even know why mods don’t ban idiots like you on this forum. You said a whole paragraph of NOTHING.
This quality of posting doesn’t suit this forum.

What is your post, I gave an example of Vietnam and Iraq. They aren't even in same league as Ukraine. Do you even know scale of this war? NATO is going nuts. This is still a special op for Russia. Educate yourself. If it was any other euro fag countries it would have been game over long back. NATO can only runaway like Afghanistan or Vietnam or anywhere else when there is a peer. You are the dumbass. Their wunderwaff from Abrams to challengers to patriots and all else are biting dust. If you can't see shit then you know nothing. Stick to Hollywood threads.

 

[shauryaman65]

What is your post, I gave an example of Vietnam and Iraq. They aren't even in same league as Ukraine. Do you even know scale of this war? NATO is going nuts. This is still a special op for Russia. Educate yourself. If it was any other euro fag countries it would have been game over long back. NATO can only runaway like Afghanistan or Vietnam or anywhere else when there is a peer. You are the dumbass. Their wunderwaff from Abrams to challengers to patriots and all else are biting dust. If you can't see shit then you know nothing. Stick to Hollywood threads.

I gave an example of Vietnam and Iraq.

Did you even read my response on that?
Iraq got absolutely bodied and US lost only 60k men fighting for 20 YEARS against a USSR and China backed north Vietnam.

 

[Kedar]

Did you even read my response on that?
Iraq got absolutely bodied and US lost only 60k men fighting for 20 YEARS against a USSR and China backed north Vietnam.

They ran with their tail in their ass with 10k aircraft losses. 60k and millions of southern Vietnamese that got bonged. Count conviniently. Result matters

 

[shauryaman65]

They ran with their tail in their ass

That doesn’t counter what I even said, them winning or not isn’t my main point from the beginning.

I don’t even think Vietnam is a good comparison considering how TVs used to be black and white when the war was being fought.

The point was how Russia failed to achieve air superiority not because of tech on either side but their incompetence. See above on how SEAD/DEAD operations are performed and if you have any issues with that then do reply with which step of SEAD/DEAD operations you think Russia performed successfully.( although you need to do all of them together in real life operations)

 

[Kedar]

They ran with their tail in their ass

In addition to the points you mentioned; the RuAF/VKS in of itself does not exist as an independent arm of the military in practice - it is tied to the army through doctrine.

This means that they are not allowed the freedom to actually plan and execute their own operations/air tasking orders to first create favorable conditions for themselves, which are then shaped as needed for the ground forces - they are treated, and act as extensions of the ground forces.

The initial push during the opening hours of the Russia-Ukraine war severely damaged Ukrainian PSU capability to actually produce and maintain medium to long range air defense cover, but as I have been speaking since 2022, they failed to actually capitalize on that.

There's a lot more to it, still:

Russia’s Military Understanding of Air Power: Structural & Doctrinal Aspects

www.vifindia.org

In my honest opinion the IAF does not have these shortcomings, especially at the doctrinal level. Whatever deficiencies we do have, we're patching them up as quickly as we can, especially after that Balakot debacle.

Iaf suffered significant losses in wars before achieving superiority. Our wars aren't an example of much. We executed tactics well in some cases. If you are objective then that's how it is.

 

[saturatedfat]

am surprised that someone still takes russian military seriously after the beating they are taking in ukraine.

Blah blah, they took out entire Ad in thousands. You are a Hollywood believer. They defeated every superpower that fought them and they got 4 new provinces. Keep living fantasies. Hope you aren't a Indian as this level of dumbness is a shame as an Indian. Ask Poland how they did in their wars in history.

Your brain is saturated with density. Couldn't have picked a better name

 

[Kedar]

Buddy my entire post was literally about REAL LIFE EVENTS.
I took all the steps of SEAD/DEAD from what NATO/US actually did in both Kosovo war and Gulf war.

Kosovo, you are comparing isolated Serbia to Ukraine...take some vitamins. They lost 70 planes in Iraq that had no support. Not to mention entire Iraq communications were built by west and 2nd rated Soviet systems. Even then green zones is what you had

 

[saturatedfat]

Buddy my entire post was literally about REAL LIFE EVENTS.
I took all the steps of SEAD/DEAD from what NATO/US actually did in both Kosovo war and Gulf war.

ignore him, probably a result all those russian propagandist vlogers

 

[shauryaman65]

Kosovo, you are comparing isolated Serbia to Ukraine...take some vitamins. They lost 70 planes in Iraq that had no support

They lost 70 planes in Iraq that had no support

Do you even know which Iraq your refering to? Again proving you did not read (or understand) what i said above.

They had the densest SAM network in the world before the gulf war. 4th largest army. More than 4000 tanks, over a 1000 aircraft.
And they only lost 36 aircraft from being shot down btw. I just said 75 cuz im lazy. 75 included all loses (on the ground, malfunction etc.).

 

[Kedar]

ignore him, probably a result all those russian propagandist vlogers

Cry baby cry. Same prescription, stick to Hollywood wars.

 

[Kedar]

Do you even know which Iraq your refering to? Again proving you did not read (or understand) what i said above.

They had the densest SAM network in the world before the gulf war. 4th largest army. More than 4000 tanks, over a 1000 aircraft.
And they only lost 36 aircraft from being shot down btw. I just said 75 cuz im lazy. 75 included all loses (on the ground, malfunction etc.).

Blah blah....in theory India is 3rd largest army. Just as I said stick to reading arm chair and hollywood. If they won they wouldn't run away. Ukraine scale is x times. You are too dense man. Don't work in any important position as you will punch holes in that.

 

[shauryaman65]

Blah blah...

Yea thats all i need to see the level of intellect your using in this conversation. Your clearly not debating in good faith.

I believe I said all that is needed to be said to piece together a conclusion regarding the importance of SEAD/DEAD operations and how VKS were incompetent at performing them.
I wont engage in this conversation further.

 

[Kedar]

Yea thats all i need to see the level of intellect your using in this conversation. Your clearly not debating in good faith.

I believe I said all that is needed to be said to piece together a conclusion regarding the importance of SEAD/DEAD operations and how VKS were incompetent at performing them.
I wont engage in this conversation further.

What conversation, you offered nothing. You are going on and on about sead and what not. Wars are fought on outcomes desired and strategies that go with it. If end result is to run away and your best stats are from wars against a sand country out of gulf then you have nothing to offer. Entire NATO against Iraq when ussr wasn't in picture and their whole communications built by West sabotaged and even then they lost planes. What is your point? Compare that with Ukraine, with so much military industry supported by NATO in full scale of isr and material and specialists and yet lost millions in dead. Not a single a2a kill and the AD is decimated. No reason to risk your pilots when you can do job corresponding to their desired outcomes which is to decimate Ukrainian slowly and weaken NATO as they are doing. Their most feared as is buk for reasons of what I can do, mobile ad like buk is very serious threat, no sead can be 100% against some of these. As dumber said in his post, early losses are part of parcel. Tactics evolve based on battle front. No rule books work in street fight or battles. You have to adapt.

You offered nothing other than a rag with holes all over.

 

[shauryaman65]

India carries out maiden flight test of long-range glide bomb Gaurav - The Tribune

During the flight test, the glide bomb hit the target erected at Long Wheelers island with pinpoint accuracy, the defence ministry said

www.tribuneindia.com

We got our own FAB type glide bombs

 

[saturatedfat]

India carries out maiden flight test of long-range glide bomb Gaurav - The Tribune

During the flight test, the glide bomb hit the target erected at Long Wheelers island with pinpoint accuracy, the defence ministry said

www.tribuneindia.com

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We got our own FAB type glide bombs

didn we already test this bomb years back?

 

[Blademaster]

Dude US lost in Vietnam War. It had to pull out in disgrace.

 

[ezsasa]

was trying to check what other (than gaurav LRGB)1000 kg bomb is in SU-30 MKI's listed armaments, there isn't?
russian KAB and FAB 500 and KAB 1500 kg bombs are listed.

 

[karn]

Trying to say that the Iraq wars were anything other than an absolute victory is absolutely wild man . And trying to say that the americans "lost" the 2nd war with Iraq just cause they stopped their occupation is also silly .. The americans still have bases and personnel in Iraq regardless of the wishes of the Iraqi people and govt .

 

[saturatedfat]

any news on the 12 upgraded su 30 mkis that were supposed to be build by HAL??

 

[Binayak95]

Dude US lost in Vietnam War. It had to pull out in disgrace.

The US did not lose a single battle or theatre. The US public lost the will to fight.

Same thing with us, we lost our collective balls when Abhinandan got captured.