India Canada Relations


View: https://youtu.be/Gq3u6-iIg9U?si=xqwGBTYZhaKLYfIh

Ujjal Dosanjh , Canadian Sikh , first Premier of British Columbia of Sikh or Indian origin , fiercely anti Khalistani also a victim of Khalistani violence , no fan of Turdeau tries a balancing act here quite "saddened" India's not playing its dossier game.

He does call out Turdeau's hypocrisy though & that of Canadian politicians & then seeks to balance it out with calling out Modi's "muscular " policy.

Definitely worth a watch
 
Also remember - Anuj Thapan, who was arrested by Mumbai police for shooting near Khan's house was found dead in custody. (apparently he "killed himself"


Why do i get a gut feeling that Baba Siddique's murder is tied to all this, perhaps to drive home a point that Bishnoi is related to "Indian Government"?

On a related note, a bounty of USD 500000 has been put on Amb Sanjay Kumar Verma's head by Khalistani terrorists who are under the protection of the CIA & allied vassal regimes.

Meanwhile -

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This needs to be traced back to Pannun's threats and Canadian antipathy towards Indian national security interests
 
This statement would have been fine without the ‘chosen alternate path’ comment.
There was also no call to Canada to share the ‘evidences’ as expected.

Looks like the 5eyes are gonna step up the diplomatic pressure instead of just providing lip service like earlier.


View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1846260078992904221?s=46


Tell the Americans to cooperate with Indians over Pannun's threats otherwise they can fuck off.
 
An American research scholar's article, surprised with this opinion

I am assuming they too are tired of Treadueu antics

India Should Designate Canada as a State Sponsor of Terror​

By Michael Rubin


India is withdrawing its High Commissioner from Canada after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau again accused India of masterminding the June 18, 2023, killing of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar outside the Guru Nanak Gurdwara in Surrey, British Columbia. To back his accusation that India’s intelligence service conducted the hit, Trudeau said that US intelligence affirmed his conclusion. This was false. While American intelligence supplied Canada with raw data after Nijjar’s murder, Trudeau mischaracterised it.

Sikh militants in both Canada and California are deeply involved in organised crime and gang violence. When US intelligence has information about pending assassinations, it warns not only friends but also adversaries in advance; more than two decades ago, the United States even warned arch-enemy Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, about a pending attempt on his life. What happened in Canada’s case was more mundane: After a gangland hit, the United States sought to give Canada access to the routine but indiscriminate chatter.

Trudeau, shocked by the diplomatic crisis his offhand accusation against India sparked, dug in his heels to suggest US endorsement to his false accusation.

After almost nine years in office, Canadians are frustrated at Trudeau’s vacuity and condescension. Under the Trudeau administration, progressive virtue signaling trumps competence. Canadians chafed under draconian Covid-19 restrictions. They grew frustrated with bleak job prospects, poor inflation, and corruption scandals. While Trudeau might stave off elections for another year, polls show him losing to his conservative opposition by upwards of ten percent.

Perhaps Trudeau believed the volume and frequency of the accusation could trump truth. He also may believe that doubling down on Sikh militants might win him votes in key districts. On both points, he is wrong.

First, to misapply “Five Eyes” intelligence for his own political fortunes has created a crisis in the group’s intelligence sharing. Both the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency resented Trudeau’s desire to place them in a position where journalists asked them to confirm or deny his statements as doing so could betray sources and methods or spark a diplomatic incident if forced to call Trudeau a liar publicly.

Second, Trudeau errs by confusing militancy with legitimate religion. More mature or substantive leaders might recognise they had a problem. This was the case in the United Kingdom, for example, which five years ago appointed an Independent Faith Engagement Adviser to study and document religious extremism on British soil. The resulting Bloom Review covered the panoply of religious belief but its findings with regard to Sikhism were especially insightful. It found Khalistan activists relied on government ignorance and targeted the authentic Sikh community to further their fringe cause. The Bloom Review concluded, “Subversive, aggressive and sectarian actions of some pro-Khalistan activists and the subsequent negative effect on wider Sikh communities should not be tolerated.”

Trudeau’s behaviour has backfired in another way: By again sparking an international crisis by releasing a slapdash review to justify his accusations after-the-fact, Trudeau has again focused attention on Canada’s permissiveness toward Sikh terrorism and terror finance. Both Trudeau’s father Pierre and now Justin himself not only tolerated Khalistan militancy, but they also transformed Canada into a safe-haven for terror and terror finance, all for a cause financed and directed by an intelligence service in a foreign capital more than 10,600 km from Ottawa.

Subjectivity often trumps objectivity when US and Western governments designate terror sponsors. Washington may complain that North Korea runs a criminal economy, runs ransomware schemes, or hacks banks and that Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is as much a money-laundering conglomerate as it is a military organisation. The basis of the State Department’s more controversial designation of Cuba is that the Cuban regime offers safe-haven to those who committed or masterminded past terrorism on US soil.

Subjectivity also corrupts the Financial Action Task Force, hence Pakistan’s release from the grey list under Chinese pressure, or Turkey’s release with Russian intercession.

Many other governments, especially in the Global South, are correct to accuse the West of hypocrisy when they refuse to recognise their own complicity in the same behaviour for which they blame others.

Here, Canada checks all the boxes. After Khalistani terrorists blew up Air India Flight 182, ignorance can be no excuse about the movement’s lethality. Left unchecked, the Khalistani extremists Trudeau’s government shelters can be as lethal as Al Qaeda. The movement would be impotent without funding, however. Here, Canadian banks are as complicit as the Arab and Somali hawala agent who ultimately helped move money around prior to Al Qaeda’s 1998 East Africa embassy bombings and the September 11, 2001, terror attacks in New York and Washington.

Canada is not alone. Illicit funding transits many countries. Some like Cyprus, Armenia, and Jamaica close loopholes and crackdown; they have become part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, and Iran do not care. Trudeau, unfortunately, now aligns Canada with the latter camp.

Subjectivity, be it in the United Nations, the Financial Action Task Force, or on various country’s terror lists, undermines institutions; objectivity strengthens them. As such, India can do Canada, the United States, and Western Europe a service by designating Canada as a terror sponsor for its safe haven, if not support, for Khalistani militants. Western finger wagging does not defeat terror; financial crackdowns, arrests, and extraditions do. Ottawa and, for that matter, Washington (where President Joe Biden recently welcomed Sikh militants at the White House) may not like the limelight but as both capitals lecture others, the best way to avoid such unpleasant attention is to make substantive reform.


 
An American research scholar's article, surprised with this opinion

I am assuming they too are tired of Treadueu antics

India Should Designate Canada as a State Sponsor of Terror​

By Michael Rubin


India is withdrawing its High Commissioner from Canada after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau again accused India of masterminding the June 18, 2023, killing of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar outside the Guru Nanak Gurdwara in Surrey, British Columbia. To back his accusation that India’s intelligence service conducted the hit, Trudeau said that US intelligence affirmed his conclusion. This was false. While American intelligence supplied Canada with raw data after Nijjar’s murder, Trudeau mischaracterised it.

Sikh militants in both Canada and California are deeply involved in organised crime and gang violence. When US intelligence has information about pending assassinations, it warns not only friends but also adversaries in advance; more than two decades ago, the United States even warned arch-enemy Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, about a pending attempt on his life. What happened in Canada’s case was more mundane: After a gangland hit, the United States sought to give Canada access to the routine but indiscriminate chatter.

Trudeau, shocked by the diplomatic crisis his offhand accusation against India sparked, dug in his heels to suggest US endorsement to his false accusation.

After almost nine years in office, Canadians are frustrated at Trudeau’s vacuity and condescension. Under the Trudeau administration, progressive virtue signaling trumps competence. Canadians chafed under draconian Covid-19 restrictions. They grew frustrated with bleak job prospects, poor inflation, and corruption scandals. While Trudeau might stave off elections for another year, polls show him losing to his conservative opposition by upwards of ten percent.

Perhaps Trudeau believed the volume and frequency of the accusation could trump truth. He also may believe that doubling down on Sikh militants might win him votes in key districts. On both points, he is wrong.

First, to misapply “Five Eyes” intelligence for his own political fortunes has created a crisis in the group’s intelligence sharing. Both the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency resented Trudeau’s desire to place them in a position where journalists asked them to confirm or deny his statements as doing so could betray sources and methods or spark a diplomatic incident if forced to call Trudeau a liar publicly.

Second, Trudeau errs by confusing militancy with legitimate religion. More mature or substantive leaders might recognise they had a problem. This was the case in the United Kingdom, for example, which five years ago appointed an Independent Faith Engagement Adviser to study and document religious extremism on British soil. The resulting Bloom Review covered the panoply of religious belief but its findings with regard to Sikhism were especially insightful. It found Khalistan activists relied on government ignorance and targeted the authentic Sikh community to further their fringe cause. The Bloom Review concluded, “Subversive, aggressive and sectarian actions of some pro-Khalistan activists and the subsequent negative effect on wider Sikh communities should not be tolerated.”

Trudeau’s behaviour has backfired in another way: By again sparking an international crisis by releasing a slapdash review to justify his accusations after-the-fact, Trudeau has again focused attention on Canada’s permissiveness toward Sikh terrorism and terror finance. Both Trudeau’s father Pierre and now Justin himself not only tolerated Khalistan militancy, but they also transformed Canada into a safe-haven for terror and terror finance, all for a cause financed and directed by an intelligence service in a foreign capital more than 10,600 km from Ottawa.

Subjectivity often trumps objectivity when US and Western governments designate terror sponsors. Washington may complain that North Korea runs a criminal economy, runs ransomware schemes, or hacks banks and that Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is as much a money-laundering conglomerate as it is a military organisation. The basis of the State Department’s more controversial designation of Cuba is that the Cuban regime offers safe-haven to those who committed or masterminded past terrorism on US soil.

Subjectivity also corrupts the Financial Action Task Force, hence Pakistan’s release from the grey list under Chinese pressure, or Turkey’s release with Russian intercession.

Many other governments, especially in the Global South, are correct to accuse the West of hypocrisy when they refuse to recognise their own complicity in the same behaviour for which they blame others.

Here, Canada checks all the boxes. After Khalistani terrorists blew up Air India Flight 182, ignorance can be no excuse about the movement’s lethality. Left unchecked, the Khalistani extremists Trudeau’s government shelters can be as lethal as Al Qaeda. The movement would be impotent without funding, however. Here, Canadian banks are as complicit as the Arab and Somali hawala agent who ultimately helped move money around prior to Al Qaeda’s 1998 East Africa embassy bombings and the September 11, 2001, terror attacks in New York and Washington.

Canada is not alone. Illicit funding transits many countries. Some like Cyprus, Armenia, and Jamaica close loopholes and crackdown; they have become part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, and Iran do not care. Trudeau, unfortunately, now aligns Canada with the latter camp.

Subjectivity, be it in the United Nations, the Financial Action Task Force, or on various country’s terror lists, undermines institutions; objectivity strengthens them. As such, India can do Canada, the United States, and Western Europe a service by designating Canada as a terror sponsor for its safe haven, if not support, for Khalistani militants. Western finger wagging does not defeat terror; financial crackdowns, arrests, and extraditions do. Ottawa and, for that matter, Washington (where President Joe Biden recently welcomed Sikh militants at the White House) may not like the limelight but as both capitals lecture others, the best way to avoid such unpleasant attention is to make substantive reform.



That's just one of the few pro-India guys
 
Right china-US must have hidden pact against India.

I doubt that. Had that been the case we would have been feeling pressure from the two-and-a-half fronts. USA will not do the heavy lifting on behalf of China. The current spat's timing aligns with the progress in normalization of border situation between India and China. Pakistan has been unusually silent on the diplomatic front.

What the US fears the most is a India-China-Russia troika (with countries like Iran, UAE mixed into the equation). Nothing is more valuable than food security, manufacturing, and natural resources. This tripartite arrangement has got those three parts covered and makes it Sanctions-proof.

Balance of power is shifting towards the East, and the current hegemons are trying to prevent it.
 
Tell the Americans to cooperate with Indians over Pannun's threats otherwise they can fuck off.

Due to poor decisions of the past,we have willingly handed over our neck to the Americans to strangulate.
India's service-driven IT sector is entirely dependent on the US. On top of that India's critical military projects like LCA and AMCA heavily rely on the US-made engines.

The Americans are simply taking advantage of India's helplessness.
 
At this point, Doval is essentiallt trolling Canada..

As per the article:


India is saying to Canada:
1.
The report, citing Canadian officials, claimed Doval initially "pretended not to have any idea" who Lawrence Bishnoi was. Later, the NSA acknowledged that Bishnoi was "capable of orchestrating violence from wherever he is incarcerated" and "was known to be up to no good from his jail cell", the report claimed.


2. The report cited Doval as saying that India would "deny any link to the Nijjar murder and any link to any other violence in Canada, no matter what the evidence was".


So, basically India is saying to Canada that "Canada is not America. So, dont become another Pakistan and expect India to respect your sovergnity.."
 
I doubt that. Had that been the case we would have been feeling pressure from the two-and-a-half fronts. USA will not do the heavy lifting on behalf of China. The current spat's timing aligns with the progress in normalization of border situation between India and China. Pakistan has been unusually silent on the diplomatic front.

What the US fears the most is a India-China-Russia troika (with countries like Iran, UAE mixed into the equation). Nothing is more valuable than food security, manufacturing, and natural resources. This tripartite arrangement has got those three parts covered and makes it Sanctions-proof.

Balance of power is shifting towards the East, and the current hegemons are trying to prevent it.
Well if RIC is what they(US) feared - Logic would dictate - they would not be doing exactly those actions which would push or force India to look for compromises to make RIC happen? Its smokes and mirrors. US found "Banglored" successful to hide massive manufacturing offshoring to China. So this next logical step use India as bogey man to hide China's open support to Russia. I know people say G2 is gone with Obama. And US is screwing China. Frankly US is putting sanctions to China in those areas - where China has already achieved self sufficiency or about to achieve. US wants India as fulcrum against China long term. But for India to become Fulcrum - US wants to make India complete tool in the hands of US. And for that too happen Modi and Modi like personality led Govt is a problem. This is what they want to take care. In short US wants India to be like non fanatic version of Pakistan - for it to be of any use.
 
Justin Trudeau may take Jagmeet Singh line and target Hindus in Canada for political survival

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Trudeau's fight with India is timed to buoy his catastrophic poll numbers ahead of next year's election & rescue his govt by keeping the support of Sikh separatist Jagmeet Singh in Canada's Parliament. Hopefully, Canadians will see through this suicidal politicizing of foreign policy.

This 👇
Even though Trudeau wants to indict India on foreign interference in Canadian election processes, there is evidence with Indian intelligence that officials of Canadian High Commission in Delhi and its consulate in Chandigarh were surreptitiously engaging the ruling party in Delhi and Punjab. The Canadians were also trying to radicalize the Sikh community in Punjab by fueling the so-called farmers' movement as well as orchestrating the human rights narrative against the Modi government.
What was Modi or the government doing when this happened ? He kept quiet then or indulged in dossiers & things took a turn for a worse .

Even now I'd argue India's in reaction mode. Turdeau has the initiative , 4 years + since the farmer's protests , 1 year since he accused India of assassinating Nijjar in the Canadian parliament.

I'd further argue our "severe" reaction was only coz they targeted our diplomatic corps who usually band together in solidarity when their own interests are affected like in the Devyani Khobragade case .

Had even 6 prominent Indians been targeted by the Khalistanis in Canada leave alone ordinary citizens , this government wouldn't come up with a tenth of the reactions we're seeing. No wonder Turdeau is fancying his chances making us the whipping boy.
 
An American research scholar's article, surprised with this opinion

I am assuming they too are tired of Treadueu antics

India Should Designate Canada as a State Sponsor of Terror​

By Michael Rubin


India is withdrawing its High Commissioner from Canada after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau again accused India of masterminding the June 18, 2023, killing of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar outside the Guru Nanak Gurdwara in Surrey, British Columbia. To back his accusation that India’s intelligence service conducted the hit, Trudeau said that US intelligence affirmed his conclusion. This was false. While American intelligence supplied Canada with raw data after Nijjar’s murder, Trudeau mischaracterised it.

Sikh militants in both Canada and California are deeply involved in organised crime and gang violence. When US intelligence has information about pending assassinations, it warns not only friends but also adversaries in advance; more than two decades ago, the United States even warned arch-enemy Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, about a pending attempt on his life. What happened in Canada’s case was more mundane: After a gangland hit, the United States sought to give Canada access to the routine but indiscriminate chatter.

Trudeau, shocked by the diplomatic crisis his offhand accusation against India sparked, dug in his heels to suggest US endorsement to his false accusation.

After almost nine years in office, Canadians are frustrated at Trudeau’s vacuity and condescension. Under the Trudeau administration, progressive virtue signaling trumps competence. Canadians chafed under draconian Covid-19 restrictions. They grew frustrated with bleak job prospects, poor inflation, and corruption scandals. While Trudeau might stave off elections for another year, polls show him losing to his conservative opposition by upwards of ten percent.

Perhaps Trudeau believed the volume and frequency of the accusation could trump truth. He also may believe that doubling down on Sikh militants might win him votes in key districts. On both points, he is wrong.

First, to misapply “Five Eyes” intelligence for his own political fortunes has created a crisis in the group’s intelligence sharing. Both the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency resented Trudeau’s desire to place them in a position where journalists asked them to confirm or deny his statements as doing so could betray sources and methods or spark a diplomatic incident if forced to call Trudeau a liar publicly.

Second, Trudeau errs by confusing militancy with legitimate religion. More mature or substantive leaders might recognise they had a problem. This was the case in the United Kingdom, for example, which five years ago appointed an Independent Faith Engagement Adviser to study and document religious extremism on British soil. The resulting Bloom Review covered the panoply of religious belief but its findings with regard to Sikhism were especially insightful. It found Khalistan activists relied on government ignorance and targeted the authentic Sikh community to further their fringe cause. The Bloom Review concluded, “Subversive, aggressive and sectarian actions of some pro-Khalistan activists and the subsequent negative effect on wider Sikh communities should not be tolerated.”

Trudeau’s behaviour has backfired in another way: By again sparking an international crisis by releasing a slapdash review to justify his accusations after-the-fact, Trudeau has again focused attention on Canada’s permissiveness toward Sikh terrorism and terror finance. Both Trudeau’s father Pierre and now Justin himself not only tolerated Khalistan militancy, but they also transformed Canada into a safe-haven for terror and terror finance, all for a cause financed and directed by an intelligence service in a foreign capital more than 10,600 km from Ottawa.

Subjectivity often trumps objectivity when US and Western governments designate terror sponsors. Washington may complain that North Korea runs a criminal economy, runs ransomware schemes, or hacks banks and that Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is as much a money-laundering conglomerate as it is a military organisation. The basis of the State Department’s more controversial designation of Cuba is that the Cuban regime offers safe-haven to those who committed or masterminded past terrorism on US soil.

Subjectivity also corrupts the Financial Action Task Force, hence Pakistan’s release from the grey list under Chinese pressure, or Turkey’s release with Russian intercession.

Many other governments, especially in the Global South, are correct to accuse the West of hypocrisy when they refuse to recognise their own complicity in the same behaviour for which they blame others.

Here, Canada checks all the boxes. After Khalistani terrorists blew up Air India Flight 182, ignorance can be no excuse about the movement’s lethality. Left unchecked, the Khalistani extremists Trudeau’s government shelters can be as lethal as Al Qaeda. The movement would be impotent without funding, however. Here, Canadian banks are as complicit as the Arab and Somali hawala agent who ultimately helped move money around prior to Al Qaeda’s 1998 East Africa embassy bombings and the September 11, 2001, terror attacks in New York and Washington.

Canada is not alone. Illicit funding transits many countries. Some like Cyprus, Armenia, and Jamaica close loopholes and crackdown; they have become part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, and Iran do not care. Trudeau, unfortunately, now aligns Canada with the latter camp.

Subjectivity, be it in the United Nations, the Financial Action Task Force, or on various country’s terror lists, undermines institutions; objectivity strengthens them. As such, India can do Canada, the United States, and Western Europe a service by designating Canada as a terror sponsor for its safe haven, if not support, for Khalistani militants. Western finger wagging does not defeat terror; financial crackdowns, arrests, and extraditions do. Ottawa and, for that matter, Washington (where President Joe Biden recently welcomed Sikh militants at the White House) may not like the limelight but as both capitals lecture others, the best way to avoid such unpleasant attention is to make substantive reform.




AFAIK India doesn’t have a formal legal mechanism for designating a foreign country as a state sponsor of terror, with the legal obligations that come with the designation, like sanctions, etc. I mean, we haven't even designated Pakistan as a state sponsor of terror.
 

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