Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

Indian Navy has sufficient Mig 29k on career and not in hurry to get Rafale M. It’s a stop gap measure fighter mere 26 till (TEDBF) is materialised. Also Rafale M will be placed in shore based facility. IAF has 114 single engine MRFA and MMRCA is rafale get some more in number and end the circus. If they go for new fighter then it will be zoo of aircraft’s in inventory
Rafale is sold out for many years. It's either 1 more type in IAF service or no more fighters except Mk1A/Su-30MKI for IAF until next decade when Tejas Mk2 will start rolling off the assembly line.

IAF needs more medium fighters this decade. I'm baffled why people keep suggesting ordering Rafale when no production slots will be free (presumably) until next decade.
 
Rafale is sold out for many years. It's either 1 more type in IAF service or no more fighters except Mk1A/Su-30MKI for IAF until next decade when Tejas Mk2 will start rolling off the assembly line.

IAF needs more medium fighters this decade. I'm baffled why people keep suggesting ordering Rafale when no production slots will be free (presumably) until next decade.
If IAF goes with more Rafale Dassault will set up manufacturing plant in India. The clause was to get ToT involving an Indian partner but govt bet on that buffoon Anil Ambani Instead of HAL and led to corruption charges which derailed all the plans and eventually we bought 36 raffles of the shelf. Now due to anil Ambani incompetence Dassault is going ahead and setting up MRO in India independently on their own so good bye to ToT and Atmanirbhar screwdrivergiri jumla.
Instead of reliance Tata aerospace should have partnered with Dassault but they went with Lockheed Martin and trying to sell the obsolete F21 to IAF.
 
Is the Russian stealth fighter SU-57 really going to happen in India. Urgency seems to be there. Read the following article. It makes the case for it.

 
Is the Russian stealth fighter SU-57 really going to happen in India. Urgency seems to be there. Read the following article. It makes the case for it.

Is there any credible Indian source behind the news?
 
Is there any credible Indian source behind the news?

The author is a retired IAF pilot and well connected.

Moreover, this move to talk to the Russian is overdue as the Westerners are raising the prices, giving you no technology and will charge you an arm or a leg for upgrades. Their superiority propaganda has been laid to rest in the Ukraine war as most of their invincible western stuff has been easily lost in the battle or captured by the Russians to copy for free.

Russians may offer a better deal.

Foot note: The American foreign policy has irritated the hell out of India with criticism on oil purchases and Pannu Affair.
 
Likh ke lelo. We are not going into induct any Russian product of note or worth within the next 15 years.
They wont be even able to complete S400 deliveries.

Is the Russian stealth fighter SU-57 really going to happen in India. Urgency seems to be there. Read the following article. It makes the case for it.

 
To be realistic, Mk1A numbers were increased because of delay in Mk2, weren't they? IAF needs something to fly. 1 Mk1A is more useful to IAF than 0 more capable Mk2.

In a manner of speaking, yes. If I may lay out the background-

As ACM RKS Bhadauria mentioned in his podcast with Smita Prakash, there just was no consensus on what the Tejas Mk2 was to be, after the first 40 Tejas Mk1 would be delivered. That led to a situation where HAL's continued production of Tejas itself was in jeopardy. So to break that stalemate, HAL proposed the Tejas Mk1A with AESA radar, EW suite, new mission computer, BVRAAM and IFR (which wasn't yet on the Tejas Mk1 back then), simplied maintenance, etc. IAF agreed to it, since it gave the IAF some breathing space to decide on what it wanted from the Tejas Mk2.

That is what then led to the Tejas Mk1A order for 83 fighters.

The IAF then decided on a larger, more capable Tejas Mk2, in the Mirage-2000 weight class, which led to a drastic change in it's configuration and design, necessitating the canards to maintain the same high degree of instability that the Tejas Mk1 has. Without that, the Tejas Mk2 would've not be able to achieve the max 9G turn rate that it needs to meet.

Now, that design is ready and in prototype fabrication stage, but it will take at least 4-5 years of testing before the Tejas Mk2 can enter initial service. That would have left at least 4 years when the Tejas Mk1A would be out of production and Tejas Mk2 would not have been in production either. That gap in production had to be addressed and plus the IAF is now much more satisfied with the capabilities that it has seen on the Tejas Mk1 FOC fighters. So the 'risk' to say, with Tejas Mk1A is the lowest. Which is why the IAF went to the MoD and GoI with the proposal to buy 97 more Tejas Mk1A for a total of 220 Tejas Mk1/Mk1A in all.
 
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What options they have? They already committed to 180 Mk-1A but they haven't got the Mk-1A as there is a delay of 6 months. They don't have the sufficient numbers to reach the sanctioned strength. They have been asking for MRFA since 2000s but have got only 36 instead of 126. They are having trouble because of poor planning and execution. But we can't continue have this situation as it will hamper the nation's security.
 
What options they have? They already committed to 180 Mk-1A but they haven't got the Mk-1A as there is a delay of 6 months. They don't have the sufficient numbers to reach the sanctioned strength. They have been asking for MRFA since 2000s but have got only 36 instead of 126. They are having trouble because of poor planning and execution. But we can't continue have this situation as it will hamper the nation's security.
Show me where is the money to buy 126 MRFA jets?
The deal for 97 Tejas Mk1A is yet to be signed, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.
The engine delay is attributed to GE and should be resolved come September 2024, and HAL does have plan B to outfit the first few units of Mk1A with Category B engines in case the deliveries are delayed even further.
 
What options they have? They already committed to 180 Mk-1A but they haven't got the Mk-1A as there is a delay of 6 months. They don't have the sufficient numbers to reach the sanctioned strength. They have been asking for MRFA since 2000s but have got only 36 instead of 126. They are having trouble because of poor planning and execution. But we can't continue have this situation as it will hamper the nation's security.

Even if you manage to build aliens level weapons still UN Generals will not buy it.

Tejas was there since 2012 but what UN Generals were doing?? Propaganda.

SU-30 mki was there but what UN Generals did?? Instead of upgrading it they were crying for import.

UN Generals upgraded Mirage 2000 but upgrade become outdated before upgrade itself finished.

DRDO build AWAC but UN brought only 2 and killed the program.

For LCH and HTT -40, UN Generals openly tried to sabotage the program. At one point they even threatened the DRDO and MoD.

TAPAS has been sabotaged actively by UN Generals

One side UN Generals are crying for best of the best but next moment agree to buy Junk Mirage 2000 from Qatar and UAE.
 
So what we are seeing now is-
Required Squadron Numbers-42
Current
-32
2025-30-
the remaining Mig-21 will be retired as well.
If we take in timely deliveries for TEJASMK2 & AMCA then the squadron numbers are-

2030-30
2040-Still not reaching 42
-as we have to retire Jaguars,mig29s&Mirages

CONCLUSION-WE ARE FUCKED!
 
So what we are seeing now is-
Required Squadron Numbers-42
Current
-32
2025-30

If we take in timely deliveries for TEJASMK2 & AMCA then the squadron numbers are-
2030-30
2040-Still not reaching 42
-as we have to retire Jaguars,mig29s&Mirages

CONCLUSION-WE ARE FUCKED!

I have forecasted this very very long ago.

As time pass, Cry of Import AF Generals will become Lauder and Lauder. It will reach to its peak around at 2028.
 
Show me where is the money to buy 126 MRFA jets?
The deal for 97 Tejas Mk1A is yet to be signed, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.
The engine delay is attributed to GE and should be resolved come September 2024, and HAL does have plan B to outfit the first few units of Mk1A with Category B engines in case the deliveries are delayed even further.
Hypothetically speaking, if there is some mishap or a battle starts tomorrow the government will start pouring money for emergency purchase. Then there will be money to buy anything because situation will demand that but right now there is no money. IA and IAF are always taking reactive measures but not proactive measures.
 

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