Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (25 Viewers)

[Tumba]

With Trump at the helm, a major multi-billion-dollar arms deal with Russia could trigger repercussions for India, such as the withholding of F404 and F414 engine supplies.Besides,given that many modern Russian weapon systems incorporate Chinese electronic components, how will India mitigate this risk?

may b Americunts r already doing whatever u posted above and may be we r just responding

 

[Rice Farmer]

With Trump at the helm, a major multi-billion-dollar arms deal with Russia could trigger repercussions for India, such as the withholding of F404 and F414 engine supplies.Besides,given that many modern Russian weapon systems incorporate Chinese electronic components, how will India mitigate this risk?

That will be boon in guise for India if amreeki kuttas completely stop any arms to India.

Too bad for the cocunuts though

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Why didn't sukhoi just went ahead with su47 berkut rather than this 4.5 gen wanna be 5 gen design

Berkut was an experimental plane. Unless you are referring some other variant. Forward swept wing perform poorly in supersonic regime, so they dropped the idea.

 

[username unkown]

Berkut was an experimental plane. Unless you are referring some other variant. Forward swept wing perform poorly in supersonic regime, so they dropped the idea.

Not to mention they were also highly unstable

 

[angryindian]

That will be boon in guise for India if amreeki kuttas completely stop any arms to India.

Too bad for the cocunuts though

It's easy to say such things, but the fact is that nearly 50% of the Indian Air Force's already significantly depleted fleet is at the end of its operational life. Any delay in the induction of the Tejas would seriously compromise the IAF's combat capability.

Switching engine vendors now would require redesigning the aircraft, a process involving design, testing, and certification that would take no less than 5–7 years.

So,Is it worth sacrificing so much for a largely unproven and questionable platform like the Su-57, which most analysts dismiss as little more than snake oil?

 

[shade2]

With Trump at the helm, a major multi-billion-dollar arms deal with Russia could trigger repercussions for India, such as the withholding of F404 and F414 engine supplies.Besides,given that many modern Russian weapon systems incorporate Chinese electronic components, how will India mitigate this risk?

That is already happening

GE will have India-specific "supply chain issues" till the end of time.

The problem about the su57 is you cannot be sure the Russians will be able to deliver it on time.

If they want 4.5gen planes to pad the numbers just buy Rafale.
Baguettes have the supply chain in-house and are ramping up production.

 

[liberalredditor]

Baguettes have the supply chain in-house

We are a part of baguette supply chain, bel supplies tr modules, thales-reliance does assembly of some stuff of ew system, tata will make fuselage stuff, bharat forge safran was a beneficiary of offsets. So getting it should not be a problem, but then engine would be hanged by orangegutkhan

 

[Ajatshatru]

We need to stop relying on as the wunderwaffe though

At this rate, someone will come up with the idea of strapping wings to a and using it since we have no engines or planes

BrahMos missile is quite similar to a fighter jet. An air-launched BrahMos costs around $5.5 million per unit, while the upcoming BrahMos-2 is expected to cost approximately $12.5 million each. Though it’s not a fighter jet, it can be seen as a highly sophisticated kamikaze drone. Such an expensive missile is ideal for targeting high-value assets like airbases, radar installations, armored formations, and fortified bunkers.
for operations like striking terrorist training camps, India needs unmanned or optionally manned stealth bombers that are more cost-effective and suited for such missions.

 

[Ajatshatru]

A "dry" Rafale, ie without weapon, spare, training, support is in the 100€ millions without VAT.

But when you add spares, test benchs, training equipments, bases accomodation, multi year support, weapons, offsets, specials goodies, the cost rises.

According to publicly available data, the flyaway cost of a Rafale is nearly three times higher than that of an F-35. This is also reflected in the pricing details of the Indo-French Rafale deal and the Israeli-American Deal of F-35. Eurofighter Typhoon is just as expensive as the Rafale, both significantly costlier than the F-35.

 

[shade2]

We are a part of baguette supply chain, bel supplies tr modules, thales-reliance does assembly of some stuff of ew system, tata will make fuselage stuff, bharat forge safran was a beneficiary of offsets. So getting it should not be a problem, but then engine would be hanged by orangegutkhan

It already is, deliveries are in "Mere Karan-Arjun aayenge" phase

Tee oh Tee deal for GE F414 is predictably stuck.

Import Marshalls as it is don't want Tejas.

As i've said, There is a big chance Ruskal will eat our money and burp on our faces without any Su57 being delivered just like S400 regiments being delayed.

Atleast with French the delivery is guaranteed.

Su57 is not a 5th gen aircraft anyway, it's 4.5gen plane.

 

[randombully]

BrahMos missile is quite similar to a fighter jet

No, it uses it's booster to get to Desired speed then activate its ramjet, no fighter jet uses it.

while the upcoming BrahMos-2 is expected to cost approximately $12.5 million each

There's no upcoming brahmos 2.

Though it’s not a fighter jet, it can be seen as a highly sophisticated kamikaze drone

It's a missile, see it as a missile.

Such an expensive missile is ideal for targeting high-value assets like airbases, radar installations, armored formations, and fortified bunkers.

Not for wide/large area damage, but radar sites, hanger, control towers etc of airbases are good enough targets.

for operations like striking terrorist training camps, India needs unmanned or optionally manned stealth bombers that are more cost-effective and suited for such missions.

No, it's more cost effective to just spam brahmos than aquire a stealth bomber.
Most cost effective would be cheap loitering munitions.
Second, we are working on projects like ghatak, cats warrior etc which will be second most cost effective option, armed with drdo saaw.

 

[liberalredditor]

It already is, deliveries are in "Mere Karan-Arjun aayenge" phase

Tee oh Tee deal for GE F414 is predictably stuck.

Import Marshalls as it is don't want Tejas.

As i've said, There is a big chance Ruskal will eat our money and burp on our faces without any Su57 being delivered just like S400 regiments being delayed.

Atleast with French the delivery is guaranteed.

Su57 is not a 5th gen aircraft anyway, it's 4.5gen plane.

we all know that if we want the o deal, we will have to satisfy the orangutkha with jaziya, and that too of failed burgerica weapons like stryker, javelin and some ancient burger weapons like f16.

better to take benefit of weak economy of vodkanagar, offer 2-3 billion usd for al51 tea o tea, and then get the materials tech and know how, why, machinery and all. and then just focus on the design of amca engine, you save time by not doing r&d for the 5th gen materials. or you can do is iterative development of materials from al51 so that when amca engine comes out, it is better than the al51. this way we will be saved by the jv circus. but vodkas wont give away their top most engine, even if we offer them a huge sum. al41 is also okay, but that should have been for super su30mki.

 

[randombully]

According to publicly available data, the flyaway cost of a Rafale is nearly three times higher than that of an F-35. This is also reflected in the pricing details of the Indo-French Rafale deal and the Israeli-American. Eurofighter Typhoon is just as expensive as the Rafale, both significantly costlier than the F-35.

The data is greatly wrong.

For example in our rafale deal, we also paid extra money to maintain availability of our rafale above 75% percent, now this is a "operational cost" not the "buying cost", but this cost is included in our deal and is quoted as the part of "buying cost".

If we include all the extra things in an f35 deal that we included in our rafale deal, than the f35 per unit we will get will cost 1.5 times more than rafale.

To give "few" examples out of many thousands of factors.

A fighter jet deal is a complicated matter, it depends on how much weapons the customer wants, how much spare parts and priority customer wants, how fast the delivery the jet and weapons customer want, how much availability the customer wants, how much control the customer wants, extra cost of domestic mro facility, lots of deal also includes cost of infra structure to operate the jet, whether the customer wants tot, how much tot customer wants.

whether the customer wants it's own technicians trained to maintain the jet or else customer will need to separately pay dassult technicians to come and maintain the jet in both cases money will be paid but in first case of training our own technicians the money paid will be shown as part of the deal giving false illusion of increased per unit cost whole In second case it will be seen ass seprate payment.

 

[Ajatshatru]

No, it uses it's booster to get to Desired speed then activate its ramjet, no fighter jet uses it.

There's no upcoming brahmos 2.



It's a missile, see it as a missile.


Not for wide/large area damage, but radar sites, hanger, control towers etc of airbases are good enough targets.



No, it's more cost effective to just spam brahmos than aquire a stealth bomber.
Most cost effective would be cheap loitering munitions.
Second, we are working on projects like ghatak, cats warrior etc which will be second most cost effective option, armed with drdo saaw.

I see BrahMos as a supersonic drone, capable of independently tracking and engaging targets much like a fighter jet. Unlike traditional missiles that follow a fixed trajectory, cruise missiles like BrahMos can maneuver like a fighter jet to reach their target. And what engine is being used in CATS Warrior? I think it uses the engine of Nirbhay missile, which is also a cruise missile like BrahMos but operates at subsonic speeds.

 

[redpanda]

I see BrahMos as a supersonic drone, capable of independently tracking and engaging targets much like a fighter jet. Unlike traditional missiles that follow a fixed trajectory, cruise missiles like BrahMos can maneuver like a fighter jet to reach their target. And what engine is being used in CATS Warrior? I think it uses the engine of Nirbhay missile, which is also a cruise missile like BrahMos but operates at subsonic speeds.

A lot of modern cruise missiles can do what brahmos can do tbh. It's just a cruise missile. Ofc it is one of the best among its class. It isn't a drone. It doesn't provide the flexibility of a drone.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Something is pathetically wrong with IAFs equipment and maintenance unless they are over stressing the airframes due to lack of enough aircrafts to distribute the sorties.

View: https://x.com/WIONews/status/1942859996703908185?t=dgEBvx_gKDrzS2seexVNbQ&s=19

 

[BON PLAN]

We are a part of baguette supply chain, bel supplies tr modules, thales-reliance does assembly of some stuff of ew system, tata will make fuselage stuff, bharat forge safran was a beneficiary of offsets. So getting it should not be a problem, but then engine would be hanged by orangegutkhan

baguette supply.... really funny !

 

[randombully]

I see BrahMos as a supersonic drone, capable of independently tracking and engaging targets much like a fighter jet. Unlike traditional missiles that follow a fixed trajectory, cruise missiles like BrahMos can maneuver like a fighter jet to reach their target

Literally every modern missile is capable of that.

 

[BON PLAN]

According to publicly available data, the flyaway cost of a Rafale is nearly three times higher than that of an F-35. This is also reflected in the pricing details of the Indo-French Rafale deal and the Israeli-American Deal of F-35. Eurofighter Typhoon is just as expensive as the Rafale, both significantly costlier than the F-35.

Ask the Dutch, the Belgian, even the Swiss about the REAL cost of F35.

FLyaway cost of Rafale is 17000€/hour. established by the french cours des comptes.
F-35 one is around 40000€/h (42000 USD/h)
Gripen : 7000€/h

 

[BON PLAN]

we also supply escargots

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