Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[shade2]

Right, does IAF have plans to execute similar cyber attacks on said regional adversary when they fly to Myanmar?

They will have to import such equipment from 5 places for that i assume

 

[Spitfire IX]

Any signs of the F414 deal being wrapped up?

India got an F404 in March. I guess that another is due for shipment very soon, isn't it? Like others (and IAF), I'm keen to see Mk1A getting into service.

 

[midnight]

Any signs of the F414 deal being wrapped up?

India got an F404 in March. I guess that another is due for shipment very soon, isn't it? Like others (and IAF), I'm keen to see Mk1A getting into service.

I think unofficially it's a done deal. We are waiting for the 404 shipment to be completed and Tejas mk2 test engines to arrive (414).

 

[Spitfire IX]

Planning for the future, Kaveri development possibly to be transferred to the private sector?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd8WYwTXpw8

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Planning for the future, Kaveri development possibly to be transferred to the private sector?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd8WYwTXpw8

Can't find that news about brazil p-17a frigate order, feels unlikely cause most of the ship yard that will build these frigate, are currently in process of building p-17b class frigates for IN.

 

[Virupaksha]

Rafale Surge: IAF Eyes 40 More Jets as Navy Deal Nears Signing ​

Rafale Surge: IAF Eyes 40 More Jets as Navy Deal Nears Signing

In a decisive move to shore up India’s dwindling air combat strength, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is reportedly preparing to procure 40 additional Rafale fighter jets from France through a government

bharatshakti.in

In a decisive move to shore up India’s dwindling air combat strength, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is reportedly preparing to procure 40 additional Rafale fighter jets from France through a government-to-government (G2G) deal—parallel to the imminent Rafale-M contract for the Indian Navy, which is likely to be signed in Delhi on April 28 or 29 when the French Defence Minister visits India.

Highly placed sources have confirmed to BharatShakti that high-level talks have been held recently between Indian and French officials, not just to conclude engine-related discussions with Safran for India’s helicopter programme but also to initiate groundwork on a second tranche of Rafale fighters for the IAF under what is being described as a fast-tracked MRFA-plus agreement.

This potential deal is separate from the Navy’s Rafale-M acquisition but is being viewed in strategic circles as part of a larger consolidation of India’s air combat ecosystem—centred around the French fighter platform. The IAF, still operating with only 31 squadrons against a sanctioned strength of 42.5, has flagged its operational crunch repeatedly over the last few years.

The Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) project, aimed at inducting 114 foreign fighters under a competitive tender, has been in limbo with no Request for Proposal (RFP) issued. But insiders confirm that in light of urgent requirements and the operational familiarity with the Rafale platform, the French jet has emerged as the clear frontrunner—sidestepping the traditional contest route.

“Both sides have reached a strategic understanding. This is not just a purchase—it’s a continuity plan,” said a senior official familiar with the negotiations.

So the mmrca saga repeat?

 

[jaijaganath]

Rafale Surge: IAF Eyes 40 More Jets as Navy Deal Nears Signing ​

Rafale Surge: IAF Eyes 40 More Jets as Navy Deal Nears Signing

In a decisive move to shore up India’s dwindling air combat strength, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is reportedly preparing to procure 40 additional Rafale fighter jets from France through a government

bharatshakti.in

So the mmrca saga repeat?

First of all what is mmrca-plus agreement
Is it that they will buy 40 now like previously 36 and then the same 114 drama will continue
OR
They will conclude first 40 and then decide about remaining(74) which obviously be rafale

 

[shade2]

Rafale Surge: IAF Eyes 40 More Jets as Navy Deal Nears Signing ​

Rafale Surge: IAF Eyes 40 More Jets as Navy Deal Nears Signing

In a decisive move to shore up India’s dwindling air combat strength, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is reportedly preparing to procure 40 additional Rafale fighter jets from France through a government

bharatshakti.in

So the mmrca saga repeat?

Seems more credible than the Snehesh article where the whole 114 jets order will go to Dassault

Which will obviously cause drama from the Eurofighter and American jet merchants like the last time.

With the ACM's utterances and the HAL BAD drama around LCH and Tejas "delayed" deliveries, a good case is made for Emergency Procoorements of 40 Rafale.

 

[Virupaksha]

First of all what is mmrca-plus agreement
Is it that they will buy 40 now like previously 36 and then the same 114 drama will continue
OR
They will conclude first 40 and then decide about remaining(74) which obviously be rafales

Maybe they will order 40 rafales and leave the mrfa to be in limbo or scrap it.
GoI doesn't seem keen on signing whole 114 mrfa.
maybe that's why this small order?

I guess the rescent speeches by the acm on delay of tejas mk1a and the need for mrfa to meet 2035 goal was to justify a new G to G deal for rafale

 

[Gandaberunda]

Maybe they will order 40 rafales and leave the mrfa to be in limbo or scrap it.
GoI doesn't seem keen on signing whole 114 mrfa.
maybe that's why this small order?

I guess the rescent speeches by the acm on delay of tejas mk1a and the need for mrfa to meet 2035 goal was to justify a new G to G deal for rafale

IAF never dropped MRFA irrespective of Tejas status. All the previous ACM kept drumming MRFA and current ACM is also doing same and yes IAF wants full 114 MRFA not some peace meal orders. There is nothing new in his statement only thing is what MoD will do will go for expensive Rafale or any 5th gen jet or waste time and cripple IAF further.

 

[shade2]

Maybe they will order 40 rafales and leave the mrfa to be in limbo or scrap it.
GoI doesn't seem keen on signing whole 114 mrfa.
maybe that's why this small order?

I guess the rescent speeches by the acm on delay of tejas mk1a and the need for mrfa to meet 2035 goal was to justify a new G to G deal for rafale

IAF never dropped MRFA irrespective of Tejas status. All the previous ACM kept drumming MRFA and current ACM is also doing same and yes IAF wants full 114 MRFA not some peace meal orders. There is nothing new in his statement only thing is what MoD will do will go for expensive Rafale or any 5th gen jet or waste time and cripple IAF further.

Assuming they are spooked about a future war.
40 Rafales would make sense

MRFA tender route would take another 5-6 years of trials and negotiations

Giving entire 114 jets order to Rafale in G2G will cause drama over SCAM backed by merchants of American jets and Eurofighter upset over Mudi stealing their morsel and giving it to the French.

This is the safe way where 40 IAF Rafales are guaranteed, while the MRFA carrot is still dangled infront of America and the other Europoids like Germany/UK/Italy.

 

[Fatalis]

Rafale Surge: IAF Eyes 40 More Jets as Navy Deal Nears Signing ​

Rafale Surge: IAF Eyes 40 More Jets as Navy Deal Nears Signing

In a decisive move to shore up India’s dwindling air combat strength, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is reportedly preparing to procure 40 additional Rafale fighter jets from France through a government

bharatshakti.in

So the mmrca saga repeat?

Looks like the classic case of old Mirage 2000 mistake.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Assuming they are spooked about a future war.
40 Rafales would make sense

MRFA tender route would take another 5-6 years of trials and negotiations

Giving entire 114 jets order to Rafale in G2G will cause drama over SCAM backed by merchants of American jets and Eurofighter upset over Mudi stealing their morsel and giving it to the French.

This is the safe way where 40 IAF Rafales are guaranteed, while the MRFA carrot is still dangled infront of America and the other Europoids like Germany/UK/Italy.

Giving entire 114 jets order to Rafale in G2G will cause drama

I don’t think MoD has $20 billion budget for 4.5 gen jet when 5th gen jet is dangled by Putin/Trump.

This is the safe way where 40 IAF Rafales are guaranteed, while the MRFA carrot is still dangled infront of America

This is feasible because current 36 Rafale fleet is a joke not sufficient to carry out any meaningful operations especially against china and IAF will get atleast 72 Rafale fleet of MMRCA.

Assuming they are spooked about a future war.
40 Rafales would make sense

IAF and MoD sat on peak Galwan clash tanks seeing eye ball to eye ball and still chose to sleep on the Rafale orders I don’t think they are spooked especially on future wars.

It’s regular procurement decision that is in limbo 36 Rafale at fleet can’t proceed further (5th gen makes more sense) or hold back( 36 rafale fleet of IAF will be a joke)

 

[Magadha Naresh]

I don’t think MoD has $20 billion budget for 4.5 gen jet when 5th gen jet is dangled by Putin/Trump.

This is feasible because current 36 Rafale fleet is a joke not sufficient to carry out any meaningful operations especially against china and IAF will get atleast 72 Rafale fleet of MMRCA.

IAF and MoD sat on peak Galwan clash tanks seeing eye ball to eye ball and still chose to sleep on the Rafale orders I don’t think they are spooked especially on future wars.

It’s regular procurement decision that is in limbo 36 Rafale at fleet can’t proceed further (5th gen makes more sense) or hold back( 36 rafale fleet of IAF will be a joke)

I think , we made a mistake by retiring mig 27s .
And now jaguars are said to be retired very soon.
Bangladesh is another headache right now.
And india will dive head first in f 35 and when Trump unkill will dangle the carrot.

 

[johny_baba]

I think , we made a mistake by retiring mig 27s .
And now jaguars are said to be retired very soon.
Bangladesh is another headache right now.
And india will dive head first in f 35 and when Trump unkill will dangle the carrot.

Mig-27 and Jaguars are kind of aircrafts that better suited needs of an army than an air force, they are tactical strike aircrafts with 'deep penetration' capabilities

instead of retiring Mig-27s, they could have passed it on to Army Aviation Corps

 

[Gandaberunda]

I think , we made a mistake by retiring mig 27s .
And now jaguars are said to be retired very soon.
Bangladesh is another headache right now.
And india will dive head first in f 35 and when Trump unkill will dangle the carrot.

Where we failed is Modi going with that cuck Anil Ambani for Rafale. Because of that fellow we had to drop to just 36 off the shelf G2G deal.( wish they had gone for 72). I don’t know what Modi saw in that banckrupt bafoon. Second mistake was not to follow on orders for Rafale in 2021.
All these make in India shenanigans cost us dearly because France will gave NOTA in offset TOT both Dasault and safran( naval group of scorpene subs)

 

[shade2]

I think , we made a mistake by retiring mig 27s .
And now jaguars are said to be retired very soon.
Bangladesh is another headache right now.
And india will dive head first in f 35 and when Trump unkill will dangle the carrot.

Dolund will want us to buy F-16 and F-15 and then maybe we get the F-35

Don't want those pajeets stealing Americ*n technology

 

[Gandaberunda]

Mig-27 and Jaguars are kind of aircrafts that better suited needs of an army than an air force, they are tactical strike aircrafts with 'deep penetration' capabilities

instead of retiring Mig-27s, they could have passed it on to Army Aviation Corps

Why will army take scrap relics of IAF? Anything that flies in air IAF demands to be under them IAF even claimed navy aviation to be brought under them.
There is inter service rivalry at every step in armed forces. CDS is still struggling with theaterisation

 

[johny_baba]

Why will army take scrap relics of IAF? Anything that flies in air IAF demands to be under them IAF even claimed navy aviation to be brought under them.
There is inter service rivalry at every step in armed forces. CDS is still struggling with theaterisation

i personally believe PLA style model is better for us

Army-Air Force, a joined unit under one commander,
Navy as standalone naval unit,

and raise a Marine Corps akin to USMC for Air-Land-Sea things

 

[Gandaberunda]

i personally believe PLA style model is better for us

Army-Air Force, a joined unit under one commander,
Navy as standalone naval unit,

and raise a Marine Corps akin to USMC for Air-Land-Sea things

That’s similar to the proposed theatrisation. The issue here is who will command and assets shared. Army - airforce doesn’t want to let go of their hold