Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Spitfire IX]

Thanks for the info.

Let me get this right:

IAF desperately needs fighters
money is spent converting Nashik to build Mk1A so they can be built faster
Su-30 is ordered to be built in a plant just kitted out to build Mk1A
money is spent converting Nashik back to build Su-30
a further FAL will be built for Mk1A, so slowing down urgently needed Mk1A production

I can't be right, surely. Someone tell me I've got it wrong!

 

[Gandaberunda]

Thanks for the info.

Let me get this right:

IAF desperately needs fighters
money is spent converting Nashik to build Mk1A so they can be built faster
Su-30 is ordered to be built in a plant just kitted out to build Mk1A
money is spent converting Nashik back to build Su-30
a further FAL will be built for Mk1A, so slowing down urgently needed Mk1A production

I can't be right, surely. Someone tell me I've got it wrong!

I don’t think there is any requirement for re tooling in whole plant. 12 Su 30s will be probably built slowly in 1-1.5 year and for Tejas it’s probably 8/yr in Nashik if GE delivers engines in numbers. The 20 engines commitment of GE for MK1A from next year will be done in Bengaluru itself no need of Nashik facility for Tejas. Also HAL has said they will raise the numbers to 24-36 onwards of 2027 if additional 97 MK1A orders is placed.

 

[silentassassin265]

He will chimp out if anything non-US is purchased.
If even 114 Rafales are purchased even then he will act aggrieved and threathen sanctions and tareefs

Americans jets not gonna be purchased anyways.
So it's better to take risk with su57 as it won't be affected by sanction and we can manage spares for rest of the us platform

 

[assassin162]

Rafale is bought by India for two purposes,
1. So called tip of the spear thing....
2. Benchmarking our own systems and subsystems with the French ones.

I think that is done to whatever extent, at max 36 more is enough. And after that, focus should shift towards own aircraft development program. And in that too focus should be on developing our own engine first. Forces need this, need that should be limited to what the domestic military industrial complex can produce.

Also, war is not about, if the other side is having 5 elephant, I should import 6 white elephants at exobitant prices.if we can buy 100 desi bhainsa with that, we should right away.

Wars are getting network centric, everything is connected to everything.

Nothing is best, its always a combination of our best efforts.

Drones, air defense, rocket force, further technology integration and maybe even robotisation of sectors and sub sectors of defense forces is where we can work it out. One factor alone, that is aircrafts are not going to decide the fates of the war, especially after we have seen the integration of AI into military tech, missiles getting precise and faster day by day, drones coming into play, air defense coming into its own.

Aircraft is not of the same importance, especially when we are not America, that we have to go and fight half way around the world. We don't have the same requirement of aircraft carrier fleets as well (in military sense, not in power projection sense). This is american doctrine, due to american needs. India should have its own doctrine and shouldn't be influenced by what America does.

 

[Blademaster]

MOD NOTE:

NO MORE FURTHER TALKS OR MENTIONS OF IAF RAFALE BEING SHOT DOWN AS IT WAS OFFICIALLY DENIED BY IAF AND PROVEN BEYOND A SHADOW OF DOUBT THAT A RAFALE SHOT DOWN IS A LIE OF PAF AND PAKI PROPAGANDA!!!

 

[GaudaNaresh]

After kargil war IAF lost confidence in Russian platforms and started buying western one.
Honestly russian platforms su30 and mig 29 gives us much more freedom allowing us to integrate local,israeli, russian and western subsystem.
We will never be able to integrate anything in rafale except french weapons.
Should've gone for su57

Kargil was in 1999
Su30 deal was inked in 2000 and first deliveries began in 2002.

 

[maximus777]

Americans jets not gonna be purchased anyways.
So it's better to take risk with su57 as it won't be affected by sanction and we can manage spares for rest of the us platform

Realistically we will have to face only PAF or PLAAF. As a stop gap, we need to purchase 100+ Su57 which gives us autonomy to use them as we see fit, integrate whatever we want and cheaper to boot. Though it might not be of the same 5th gen standards as the F22 or F35, it is highly unlikely that it will be pitted against them. Most likely it will go against the Turkish or Chinese FGFA for which it is more than a match! A Su57 MKI will be far superior to anything else in the subcontinent and maybe even Asia!

Nirmala thai can impose an extra1 rupee cess on petrol/diesel to fund this if needed so that it does not impact funding for AMCA!!

 

[midnight]

The French are acting very pricey as usual, I don't know why we need a hundred Rafales. We only will need Tejas variants for the future, even cancelling the MRCA requirement in tow. No other airforce will have the fighter so Porkie Pakis won't get a chance to practice with other airforces to know our Tejas. We will sell the fighter only after our own engine is certified and accepted. Which is a long way ahead. We only need su57 and su75 for 5th gen stopgap till AMCA is ready.

 

[Spitfire IX]

The French are acting very pricey as usual, I don't know why we need a hundred Rafales. We only will need Tejas variants for the future, even cancelling the MRCA requirement in tow. No other airforce will have the fighter so Porkie Pakis won't get a chance to practice with other airforces to know our Tejas. We will sell the fighter only after our own engine is certified and accepted. Which is a long way ahead. We only need su57 and su75 for 5th gen stopgap till AMCA is ready.

Su-75 has been treading water for the last couple of years. No prototype completed, no rollout date announced. No international interest in a type pitched at the export market. No potential customer has emerged.

No sign of Su-75 being developed. Even if development were pursued, it would not be in production much before AMCA.

 

[Interested]

Realistically we will have to face only PAF or PLAAF. As a stop gap, we need to purchase 100+ Su57 which gives us autonomy to use them as we see fit, integrate whatever we want and cheaper to boot. Though it might not be of the same 5th gen standards as the F22 or F35, it is highly unlikely that it will be pitted against them. Most likely it will go against the Turkish or Chinese FGFA for which it is more than a match! A Su57 MKI will be far superior to anything else in the subcontinent and maybe even Asia!

Nirmala thai can impose an extra1 rupee cess on petrol/diesel to fund this if needed so that it does not impact funding for AMCA!!

Under current situation with Russia under heavy sanctions , and under huge Chinese influence .. buying the Su57 may be a very bad idea . The Chinese will have access to it and that will bleed into the Pakis. Things have changed since the Ukriane war, Russia needs China .

 

[shade2]

>f-36
>su-57

Meanwhile I want them to go full throttle on AMCA development and production.

su-57 is a "we have stealth fighter at home" of the roosies, they can't mass produce it, while F-35 comes with the pro plus max version of the usual US ((( strings attached )))

Both will take forever to actually have the contract signed too.

If AMCA subsystems are taking time then they can be imported from 5 places till DRDO can come up with the deshi counter-parts.

Main things they need to perfect the RAM coating, and get a flying prototype with the stealth shaping and finish development of whichever Astra missile they plan to have AMCA carry in IWB

AMCA can have iterations, maybe the final one will be a 6th gen fighter.
Koreans doing something similar for theirs, it doesn't have an IWB for now but it will be added in a later iteration.

 

[Doreamon]

There are news of pakistan getting 40 units of j35 very soon . AMCA probably ll take another 10 years . And china today got fully operational 5th gen fighter jets . I think we are inching towards f 35 .

 

[Brood Father]

There are news of pakistan getting 40 units of j35 very soon . AMCA probably ll take another 10 years . And china today got fully operational 5th gen fighter jets . I think we are inching towards f 35 .

When we can destroy their airbases at will it will be folly to get J35 given we can target it at anytime ..

 

[Doreamon]

When we can destroy their airbases at will it will be folly to get J35 given we can target it at anytime ..

They ll eat grass but ll buy those toys man . Army owns that nation . Beside their security issue with india they get lots of kickbacks in these deals . I have heard some rumors on turkish drone deals . So they are nt going down in spending . The alternative is adding AMCA components in su57 frame including our gan radar and softwares .. But then there is issue of international diplomacy , Ukraine war , catsa etc ...

 

[Nibbler]

The French are acting very pricey as usual, I don't know why we need a hundred Rafales. We only will need Tejas variants for the future, even cancelling the MRCA requirement in tow. No other airforce will have the fighter so Porkie Pakis won't get a chance to practice with other airforces to know our Tejas. We will sell the fighter only after our own engine is certified and accepted. Which is a long way ahead. We only need su57 and su75 for 5th gen stopgap till AMCA is ready.

Especially when their state media runs propagandu foe the Chinese.

No more French shit.

 

[midnight]

Su-75 has been treading water for the last couple of years. No prototype completed, no rollout date announced. No international interest in a type pitched at the export market. No potential customer has emerged.

No sign of Su-75 being developed. Even if development were pursued, it would not be in production much before AMCA.

I doubt what you said is true.

 

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