Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Anupu]

saurav jha wants the french or ruskies to give source code of their platform, lol

then why will they give their platform if they cannot milk weapons integration

They gave us for su 30mki. Understand what it means to give source codes it means giving a mechanism to integrate your sensors with any future desi weapons.


On Su 30 mki we integrated our on flight computer. They are offering the exact same deal for SU-57. Infact in its case the architecture would be even more in control as we will most likely install our own radars and IRSTs. We would effectively have to have everything except the engine and airframe of our own. Just like in super Sukhois.


As for Rafale, Gripen is offering the source codes for its radar and irst. It’s a question of price.

 

[Ajatshatru]

I hv to admit this govt has been completely inept more so like congress when it comes to IAF.. earlier it was Congress which slept on MMRCA acquisition with shaby fiasco of deal going kaput nd now this govt also is sleeping on MRFA acquisition since long.

While it's IAF which is luking at the end of the barrel with dwindling squadron strengths.

Then we hv IDDM gangs with their muh atmanirbharta coolaid who wants IAF to fight enemy stealth fighters with tejas mk1A nd paper plane AMCA which IAF itself has committed for only paltry 40 nos even so when it will arrive in 2035 that too being completely optimistic to timelines.

no imported fighter jet can match the effectiveness and strategic advantage of a homegrown aircraft.

 

[liberalredditor]

It is going to be Rafale only, not because it is some 786th gen stealth Wunderwaffe that we need to induct to maintain parity with the beggar shithole next door, as per one two-account-jockey here

But because it is the safe option.

IAF doesn't like Roosi maal and buying new su57 stands the very high chance of attracting CAATSA because of the Orange Ape, this is aside from Roosi's traditional delays, problems with the specific su57 supply chain and their wartime production burdens.

Neither does it have the "many cooks syndrome" like Eurofighter and Gripen with ITAR being applied

Nor is it some Amerishart gear with over 9000 terms and conditions.

But who will tell this to 2rs F-35 dalals here, atleast this one isn't soiling himself like the other one over 10 foot chinaman

it is 100% another rafale order, because we have the infra available and the logistics too, but i am wondering that how will the frenchies loot us this time, what reason?

astra mk1 integration 100 million usd, mk2 integration 125 million usd, gandiva integration 200 million usd, brahmos integration 500 million usd, oh you want uttam GaN, take that in with "india specific enhancement" - another billion usd

oh you want to manufacture it in india?? we will give kits, another 2 billion usd

 

[liberalredditor]

They gave us for su 30mki. Understand what it means to give source codes it means giving a mechanism to integrate your sensors with any future desi weapons.


On Su 30 mki we integrated our on flight computer. They are offering the exact same deal for SU-57. Infact in its case the architecture would be even more in control as we will most likely install our own radars and IRSTs. We would effectively have to have everything except the engine and airframe of our own. Just like in super Sukhois.


As for Rafale, Gripen is offering the source codes for its radar and irst. It’s a question of price.

but su 57 comes with a huge price tag, the burgerland sanctions, are you ready for another recession and layoff wave?

 

[Anupu]

It is going to be Rafale only, not because it is some 786th gen stealth Wunderwaffe that we need to induct to maintain parity with the beggar shithole next door, as per one two-account-jockey here

But because it is the safe option.

IAF doesn't like Roosi maal and buying new su57 stands the very high chance of attracting CAATSA because of the Orange Ape, this is aside from Roosi's traditional delays, problems with the specific su57 supply chain and their wartime production burdens.

Neither does it have the "many cooks syndrome" like Eurofighter and Gripen with ITAR being applied

Nor is it some Amerishart gear with over 9000 terms and conditions.

But who will tell this to 2rs F-35 dalals here, atleast this one isn't soiling himself like the other one over 10 foot chinaman

I agree with you it will most likely be Rafale. But an argument can be made about having a bigger nose and a bigger power plant in su-57 it is the exact argument that Saurav Jha made.

 

[liberalredditor]

does the su57 even have an RAM paint?? they just want cool looks and livery

 

[Ajatshatru]

India was a poor country in the 1960s and ‘70s, yet Madam Indira Gandhi invested heavily in building a military-industrial complex. I don’t understand why Prime Minister Narendra Modi isn’t doing the same today.

 

[MarDePopins]

Think whatever you want buddy. A system which we can’t integrate into our own C4I systems is useless to us. Not to mention we would need source codes to integrate any future desi weapons. Stealth is not a silver bullet and houthis managed to get a track on F-35

How The Houthis' Rickety Air Defenses Threaten Even The F-35

Highly mobile Houthi SAM systems and ones that use passive infrared sensors present a vexing problem for even advanced U.S. combat aircraft.

www.twz.com

Imagine what would involve taking on an advanced integrated air defence system.

Also all of this is based on expert opinion available in open source including from our current Air Force chief who has stated there is no plan to buy F-35 as of now.

We will choose between more Rafales or Su-57 most likely.

Do u have any understanding of difference between F35 NATO grade with non nato grade F35 adir which isreal operates?? Or are u cooking rhetorics without any substance.

Rest assured it is for IAF to decide on F35 nd if it decides to go ahead then it will be a non nato standard F35I with isreali Bnet AR SDR nd BEL indigenous IFF the same setup that we are currently using with IN P8I to establish interoperability with other IAF fighters.

Nd for IAF CHIEF he himself has stated that we need to go for off the shelf purchase.

Air Chief Marshal Singh said: “We may have to go in for something which is maybe [an] off-the-shelf purchase, maybe something Make in India, while we are developing our own AMCA,” referring to India’s planned fifth-generation aircraft known as the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft.

India Needs to ‘Accelerate and Make Sure We Are Not Found Wanting’: IAF Chief

Air Chief Marshal A.P. Singh also said the air force has ‘not given a thought’ about whether to buy the US' fifth-generation F-35 jets.

thewire.in

 

[liberalredditor]

al41 should have been acquired for su30 mki
but then cooling was the biggest bottleneck for su30 mki radar elements power output, its a bottleneck

then we need to replace some parts with composites too, j16 is another league of flanker

 

[shade2]

it is 100% another rafale order, because we have the infra available and the logistics too, but i am wondering that how will the frenchies loot us this time, what reason?

astra mk1 integration 100 million usd, mk2 integration 125 million usd, gandiva integration 200 million usd, brahmos integration 500 million usd, oh you want uttam GaN, take that in with "india specific enhancement" - another billion usd

oh you want to manufacture it in india?? we will give kits, another 2 billion usd

Major loot is going to be the manufacturing plant here, can be for the whole airframe or only for certain parts which will feed into global dassault supply chain.

As for integration it depends how much they perceive the threat to the sales of their munitions vs benefit of whatever obscene sum they ask us for integration.

 

[liberalredditor]

India was a poor country in the 1960s and ‘70s, yet Madam Indira Gandhi invested heavily in building a military-industrial complex. I don’t understand why Prime Minister Narendra Modi isn’t doing the same today.

he didnt invest in ejukashun too, typical gujjew baniya dhandho mentality, dont study, everyone do business

one thing is logical is infra is being in focus,

 

[Anupu]

but su 57 comes with a huge price tag, the burgerland sanctions, are you ready for another recession and layoff wave?

You are right but I doubt it will trigger a total blanket ban more restrictions on defence tech.

But there is your dilemma.

 

[karn]

India was a poor country in the 1960s and ‘70s, yet Madam Indira Gandhi invested heavily in building a military-industrial complex. I don’t understand why Prime Minister Narendra Modi isn’t doing the same today.

Use numbers if you are making such sweeping statements. Otherwise it counts as just opinion.

 

[liberalredditor]

Major loot is going to be the manufacturing plant here, can be for the whole airframe or only for certain parts which will feed into global dassault supply chain.

As for integration it depends how much they perceive the threat to the sales of their munitions vs benefit of whatever obscene sum they ask us for integration.

i heard that reliance infra is getting calls from dassault to sell its nagpur plant,

dassault would then start making parts of fuselage here

this would be the offset, dont make whole aircraft, but make majority parts

also one more news for you all, reliance infra has started work on its ammunition plant in ratnagiri

now dont ask me how do i know so much about rinfra

 

[shade2]

Do u have any understanding of difference between F35 NATO grade with non nato grade F35 adir which isreal operates?? Or are u cooking rhetorics without any substance.

Rest assured it is for IAF to decide on F35 nd if it decides to go ahead then it will be a non nato standard F35I with isreali Bnet AR SDR nd BEL indigenous IFF the same setup that we are currently using with IN P8I to establish interoperability with other IAF fighters.

Nd for IAF CHIEF he himself has stated that we need to go for off the shelf purchase.

Air Chief Marshal Singh said: “We may have to go in for something which is maybe [an] off-the-shelf purchase, maybe something Make in India, while we are developing our own AMCA,” referring to India’s planned fifth-generation aircraft known as the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft.

India Needs to ‘Accelerate and Make Sure We Are Not Found Wanting’: IAF Chief

Air Chief Marshal A.P. Singh also said the air force has ‘not given a thought’ about whether to buy the US' fifth-generation F-35 jets.

thewire.in

Of all the F-35 operating countries only Israel gets the no-burger-control version

For most other people this would cause a few lightbulbs turning on in their minds but for certain people they think Israel's privileges are sem2sem as buying vegetables from thelewala, anyone can be given such a F-35

Israel was also sold the F-15, even among US allies few have been sold this plane.

When you are doing dalali, atleast apply your mind to whatever product you're hawking

 

[Ajatshatru]

Use numbers if you are making such sweeping statements. Otherwise it counts as just opinion.

Defence spending as percentage of GDP was 3.65% in 1971, today it’s just 1.9%

 

[Anupu]

Major loot is going to be the manufacturing plant here, can be for the whole airframe or only for certain parts which will feed into global dassault supply chain.

As for integration it depends how much they perceive the threat to the sales of their munitions vs benefit of whatever obscene sum they ask us for integration.

I dont care much about manufacturing as long as we have source codes. But it would be preferred to have manufacturing private line. Desault has a very integrated system of manufacturing not sure how much can be replicated.

 

[liberalredditor]

who was working with ruskies on fgfa program?? HAL or ADA?

 

[MarDePopins]

no imported fighter jet can match the effectiveness and strategic advantage of a homegrown aircraft.

Yeah sure but it was imported capabilities which saved the day for u in operation sindoor..

It was imported S400 nd imported SU30 (yeah we manufacture it but it still is an imported OEM) nd rafale which did the heavy lifting nd prevented any misadventures from PAF like swift retort.. remember last time they responded Within 24 hours against balakot..

Now this time they were completely missing from the picture why?? Because of indigenous tejas or because of threat faced by Imported S400 nd rafale/su30??

At the end it's the capability which matters in hand nd not like whatever is in the pipeline.

When a soldier goes to fight the real enemy he will look for the capability to kill the enemy indigenous or imported it won't matter to him.

 

[Brood Father]

Lol it's really funny when random defence nerds declare fatwa on a particular item at their whims while cooking random conspiracy theory nd rhetorics.

It's for IAF to decide whether F35 is useless or not nd if SU57 fills their bits.. they are the one who will be fighting the real enemy not some random dude.

So as i said one can cook any rhetorics in this space but it would mean zilch difference to real world where IAF will definitely acquire as things are already in place to achieve the parity with enemy.

India may take Rafale route to buy US' F35 fighter jets: Govt likely to opt for limited numbers; may require special monitoring clauses

India is considering the acquisition of F35 fighter jets from the US, similar to its Rafale deal with France. The deal will likely be government-to-government with strict US technology safeguards. Limited numbers of F35s might serve as a stop-gap until India's Advanced Multirole Combat Aircraft...

m.economictimes.com

You buy F35 then say goodbye to AMCA .. Also F35 comes with lot of string ..Uncle Sam is indifferent at best and hostile at worst so don't expect any good from them ..
SU57 was rejected by IAF so its like licking your own spit
Ideally don't get any foreign maal focus on indigenous products.