Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (11 Viewers)

[silentassassin265]

This could be part of negotiation tactics in the larger India US context.

If they target India specifically with trade/tariff measures or side with Pakistan beyond a limit, then India will go own way and will deal with China separately and not in partnership/consultation with US/Quad.

Not just tarriffs, they would completely stop the engine deliveries.

 

[liberalredditor]

View: https://x.com/shreedharsingh9/status/1931965021132865740#m

Foldable fins a reality now ig

 

[snakeeyes07]

Not just tarriffs, they would completely stop the engine deliveries.

I think it is just signalling/messaging, I can't comprehend why US will just let go off India completely for Pakistan, which is already a kind of vassal state for PRC and is 1/10 of the India's market.

 

[redpanda]

I think it is just signalling/messaging, I can't comprehend why US will just let go off India completely for Pakistan, which is already a kind of vassal state for PRC and is 1/10 of the India's market.

Iran. Pakistan probably offered them some deal regarding Iran. India will obviously not gonna help them with that. Pakistan will happily help US in backstabbing Iran. Also there is a lot of resentment against Taliban in some faction of US deep state establishment. They want to teach some lessons to Afghans. And Pakistan would happily help with that. US doesn't see any country as partner, it sees them as tools/assets to be used against xyz. Ot sees India as an useful tool for it to pit against the Chinese. But India is too sovereign and can't be used against anyone else. Even against China, India refuses to help it by providing it a base.(We rejected asian nato). So from Machiavellian American diplomatic perspective, we are more of a threat than tool, while Pakistan is an useful idiot asset which can be easily used whenever they want.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Iran. Pakistan probably offered them some deal regarding Iran. India will obviously not gonna help them with that. Pakistan will happily help US in backstabbing Iran. Also there is a lot of resentment against Taliban in some faction of US deep state establishment. They want to teach some lessons to Afghans. And Pakistan would happily help with that.

I don't think these are significant enough. With Iran, Pakistan will face headwinds from PRC on this.

Even a potential Pakistan recognition of Israel is not significant enough. Though if Pakistan does it, then it will confirm that Munir is a duffer because he may not be able to manage things back home.

To completely let go off India, it would need to be a monumental event, like an agreement between US and PRC to divide the world into sphere of influences like UK & US did with Stalin in WW2.

 

[randombully]

This means that lca mk1a deliveries will go on till 2033-34.
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Even if its tentative, its worrying

"After order placment".
They could start delivery from 2027 same time as initial order, if order placed.
Production of radar will be scaled according to orders

 

[redpanda]

I don't think these are significant enough. With Iran, Pakistan will face headwinds from PRC on this.

To completely let go off India, it would need to be a monumental event, like an agreement between US and PRC to divide the world into sphere of influences like UK & US did with Stalin in WW2.

Maybe this is one of the setup of theirs trying to bring back a bi-polar structure. Let's see where we end up. US certainly don't like multipolar world..

 

[randombully]

I think it is just signalling/messaging, I can't comprehend why US will just let go off India completely for Pakistan, which is already a kind of vassal state for PRC and is 1/10 of the India's market.

Us won't its top leadership can for personal benifit, they wouldn't wanna make india an enemy, but can try to play neutral for personal benifit that pak has offered and also they get to control/secure pak nukes.

 

[snakeeyes07]

"After order placment".
They could start delivery from 2027 same time as initial order, if order placed.
Production of radar will be scaled according to orders

I think current capacity for LCA mk1a is 24/yr (3 production lines), there was talk about adding 6/yr from private player. So, it should be anywhere between 24-30.

 

[shade2]

I think it is just signalling/messaging, I can't comprehend why US will just let go off India completely for Pakistan, which is already a kind of vassal state for PRC and is 1/10 of the India's market.

They don't want to bribe or court India
If that was the case they would have let us have our fun and make them beg for a ceasefire that would benefit us.

They want India to be their vassal and buy their shit, by which i mean F16 and maybe they will give us F35 in the future
With T&C apply

The problem is not they >let go off India completely
It's that they don't want to build a relationship with India, they want India to be their kuttiya and so with Pakistan like how they have Greece & Turkey in their NATO harem

 

[shade2]

Maybe this is one of the setup of theirs trying to bring back a bi-polar structure. Let's see where we end up. US certainly don't like multipolar world..

I believe they already have such an agreement

Russia and Central Asia will be in the Chinese sphere of Influence
India will be in the US sphere of influence

It explains the constant aggression toward's Putin's Russia since 2012 from the US/West

It also explains the constant Chinese aggression towards us since 11, Jinpig took over.

Arguments against this are

US is habitually inclined to add more sex slaves to it's harem by regime change, so that would explain their flop attempt to regime change Putya in 2012 and saltiness afterwards viz Russia including the Maidan Regime Change in 2014 of Ukraine and the attempted regime change of Belarus in 2021/22.

As for China is is because we are weak viz them and so it is ok for them to ungli us without consequence.
They have also gamed it correctly that we won't sell ourselves to the US to fight the Chinaman because of strategic autonomy so once again a very safe bet to bully us.

China will be a true super power with Russia as a vassal, coal, oil, timber, minerals, metals, Russia is overflowing with them

 

[Spitfire IX]

Not just tarriffs, they would completely stop the engine deliveries.

That's a point - US would not be pleased to hear that India was going to procure Su-57.

I don't see the point of building it in India. That would slow things down, meaning India would spend longer without a 5G while Pakistan had one. Arguably, if India had to wait many years before it could rollout a Made in India Su-57, it might as well forget it and wait for AMCA.

Another option would be to wait until the GCAP position is clarified. It could be launched or delayed or scrapped this year. If the programme goes ahead India could try to buy GCAP if it could be delivered from 2035. Perhaps GCAP would agree to India integrating its own weapons. I would say the same about FCAS but I don't think it will be available soon enough, assuming it actually goes ahead.

 

[Nibbler]

I think it is just signalling/messaging, I can't comprehend why US will just let go off India completely for Pakistan, which is already a kind of vassal state for PRC and is 1/10 of the India's market.

Pakistan sells a product which US thinks it needs (counter terror against groups that may target USA)

They are also probably unwilling to cede Pakistan completely to changs.

 

[shade2]

I believe they already have such an agreement

Russia and Central Asia will be in the Chinese sphere of Influence
India will be in the US sphere of influence

It explains the constant aggression toward's Putin's Russia since 2012 from the US/West

It also explains the constant Chinese aggression towards us since 11, Jinpig took over.

Arguments against this are

US is habitually inclined to add more sex slaves to it's harem by regime change, so that would explain their flop attempt to regime change Putya in 2012 and saltiness afterwards viz Russia including the Maidan Regime Change in 2014 of Ukraine and the attempted regime change of Belarus in 2021/22.

As for China is is because we are weak viz them and so it is ok for them to ungli us without consequence.
They have also gamed it correctly that we won't sell ourselves to the US to fight the Chinaman because of strategic autonomy so once again a very safe bet to bully us.

China will be a true super power with Russia as a vassal, coal, oil, timber, minerals, metals, Russia is overflowing with them

And the benefit for US with India as it's vassal is our limitless manpower, with US handling the logistics, Indian meat can be sent across the himalayas, across the Korean DMZ and on Chinese coasts to be ground by the Chongs, at 0 cost for the Amerisharts sitting pretty in their ships and bases in the 1st island chain

 

[snakeeyes07]

Pakistan sells a product which US thinks it needs (counter terror against groups that may target USA)

Not worth losing more than 10 times bigger market than Pakistan and a nation that could play bit of PRC counter balance role.

 

[Nutcracker]

There is no way that the Rafale price is over 786 billion dollars. Even Million. If you want to replace one Rafale jet, it will be, at worst case scenario, over 80 millions a piece

That was a joke. 786 is pious number in our jehadi mulla neigbourhood. And billions as if bazillions, as they like to exaggerate.

 

[randombully]

I think current capacity for LCA mk1a is 24/yr (3 production lines), there was talk about adding 6/yr from private player. So, it should be anywhere between 24-30.

View: https://youtu.be/qrGvnVL-fi0?si=V4Pmp42mpyKqVIFB

 

[Gandaberunda]

And the benefit for US with India as it's vassal is our limitless manpower, with US handling the logistics, Indian meat can be sent across the himalayas, across the Korean DMZ and on Chinese coasts to be ground by the Chongs, at 0 cost for the Amerisharts sitting pretty in their ships and bases in the 1st island chain

Gone are the days we are going to send foot soldiers to fight on behalf of others last we did was before independence under British Raj. One thing Nehru did right is non alignment policy which may hindered our growth back then but absolutely gold right now. We are rising power now no need to behave like a lap dog of west for some candies . We can take on China on our own if situation arise and pak we already fucked them. We have to grow and became self reliant in defence which is the only constraint now.

 

[shade2]

Pakistan sells a product which US thinks it needs (counter terror against groups that may target USA)

They are also probably unwilling to cede Pakistan completely to changs.

No, it's the otherway around, Pakistan is the pioneer of a new Business Model JaaS
What is JaaS you say?

Jihad as a Service

You want to do a terror attack in Russia? Done https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocus_City_Hall_attack
Central Asians recruited for maximum deniability, affiliated to ISIS of course

You want Taliban to be kept on it's toes?
You have ISIS-K doing jihad in Afghanistan

You want Sunni jihadis to blow up Iran?
Done, you can choose between Jaish al-Adl or "ISIS-k"

You want to derail Chinese projects in Baakistan?
Done, after all Sugar Daddy chini is only for sugar, real Abba will remain Amrika only

 

[Nibbler]

Not worth losing more than 10 times bigger market than Pakistan and a nation that could play bit of PRC counter balance role.

Americans never learn their lesson. If the stated reason for seeking a relationship with pakistan is ISIS-K. They should understand that Pakistan has no incentive to actually get rid of ISIS-K, they have an incentive to do the opposite.

Anyway they don't understand. It's useless getting mad about it.

India must go it alone.

In any case,

They don't think they will lose the Indian market. And they don't think that India and China will become friends

And they are right on both, at least in the near term.