Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (16 Viewers)

[concard]

its not that uninformed class wants rafale, its the safest and proven bet which can arrive by 2030 ie before mwf mk2 gets into production. if we get f4 variant with good bargaining its a good deal, we have the infra of previous deal. we can use the options clause. although priority should always be indigenous systems
but another 2-3 sq of rafale should be ordered asap, spectra can control j35 till we get mwf and amca mk1

2nd option is super sukhoi from nashik, but with composites, we have the production line, we can get 2 more squadrons and 300 su30 mki would be a good idea

The nutcases in IAF stopped at 272 SU-30 MKIs. They should have gone ahead with 300. Now with 12 crashes over the last 17 years we have 260 SU-30 MKIs. Do these morons ever think about back up? They have repeatedly done this over and over again. They have done this with C-17 transport plane, GE-F404 engines, P8 aircrafts as well. Now again with Rafale with further orders in sight. Russia still has not given replacement for Su-30 MKIs. If I am right we are still waiting for 12 Su-30 MKIs which we requested since 2020.

 

[liberalredditor]

The nutcases in IAF stopped at 272 SU-30 MKIs. They should have gone ahead with 300. Now with 12 crashes over the last 17 years we have 260 SU-30 MKIs. Do these morons ever think about back up? They have repeatedly done this over and over again. They have done this with C-17 transport plane, GE-F404 engines, P8 aircrafts as well. Now again with Rafale with further orders in sight. Russia still has not given replacement for Su-30 MKIs. If I am right we are still waiting for 12 Su-30 MKIs which we requested since 2020.

now that the al31 issue is resolved with better manufacturing, 3d printing and powder metallurgy, more indigenous and better content, the hours have been increased.

the super sukhoi program should have started long ago and we should have acquired 4-5 squadrons of super sukhoi and simultaneous upgrade of whole fleet would have got completed by 2032-2033. but now it seems the first 84 would get upgraded by 2037.

restarting a production line for 12 fighters is idiotic, order more man, we are already an ancient air force, we need new units coming with constant retirement and crashes.

 

[Nicky]

Surprised this hasn't been discussed.


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[shade2]

The nutcases in IAF stopped at 272 SU-30 MKIs. They should have gone ahead with 300. Now with 12 crashes over the last 17 years we have 260 SU-30 MKIs. Do these morons ever think about back up? They have repeatedly done this over and over again. They have done this with C-17 transport plane, GE-F404 engines, P8 aircrafts as well. Now again with Rafale with further orders in sight. Russia still has not given replacement for Su-30 MKIs. If I am right we are still waiting for 12 Su-30 MKIs which we requested since 2020.

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/ministry-of-defence-signs-contract-with-hal-for-procurement-of-12-su-30mki-aircraft20241212213509

Saar, only last year in December was contract signed, and jets will be delivered by HAL and not Ruskals.

State of Ruskals is so bad that they may end up ordering from HAL

Also like the guy below says it's absolutely retarded to open a line again for just 12 fighters, more can crash as the years pass

restarting a production line for 12 fighters is idiotic, order more man, we are already an ancient air force, we need new units coming with constant retirement and crashes.

FCAS program which is a 6th generation fighter program with Germany, Spain, and France has run into headwinds. They had a spat recently on the workshare distribution of the project just like exactly we had with Russia over FGFA project.

Spat over Europe’s next-gen fighter program spills over at Paris Air Show

Public bickering between France and Germany doesn’t bode well for the continent’s efforts to build up military capability.

www.defenseone.com

Now the French are thinking about going alone. Going solo gives them lot of freedom but comes with a bigger price tag since the French will be footing the entire bill. They had the same problem 45 years ago when they wanted to build a 4th generation fighter aircraft. They couldn't agree with UK and Germany on few things. So they went alone and built Rafale. It worked out well for them.

Now the situation is different. This project requires massive funding which Dassault does not have at their disposal. Even with some help from French government it will be difficult to pull it off. I read somewhere about Dassult CEO or some chief engineer visiting Lockheed Martin F35 production line and he was given a demo of F35 capabilities. The demo blew their minds and they came home thinking they need more than money to build a 5th or 6th generation fighter aircraft. Unfortunately I couldn't find the link.

I strongly believe Dassult is counting on more orders from India. All these things are just to sweeten the deal and knock any comptetition out of the game.

If this is for purely more orders or they think we'll pay for their 6th gen baguette like the FGFA scam with the Ruskies we should indulge them over such possibility.

In exchange now we must demand that they start integration of Astra series and Rudram series into existing Rafales to prove their commitment, once they start and our guys successfully test then we can move on to G2G contracts.

Ability to integrate our own missiles and bombs on our own planes is paramount, this should be a non-negotiable patthar ki lakheer demand.

 

[redpanda]

its not that uninformed class wants rafale, its the safest and proven bet which can arrive by 2030 ie before mwf mk2 gets into production. if we get f4 variant with good bargaining its a good deal, we have the infra of previous deal. we can use the options clause. although priority should always be indigenous systems
but another 2-3 sq of rafale should be ordered asap, spectra can control j35 till we get mwf and amca mk1

2nd option is super sukhoi from nashik, but with composites, we have the production line, we can get 2 more squadrons and 300 su30 mki would be a good idea

Also F4 can be upgraded to F5 if we pay the frenchs..Even F3R we have can be upgraded. Even engines can be upgraded to T-Rex. But we have to pay a lot.

 

[redpanda]

State of Ruskals is so bad that they may end up ordering from HAL

Lmao they have cancelled even their AEW&C programme. And
are using ancient AWACs with mechanical radars rn. That is why I don't think they even can deliver anything to us.

 

[silentassassin265]

It is but uniformed class wants Rafale onleee
Govt scared of CAATSA or whatever other unofficial American punishments that may come.

Su30 also avoids the whole Ruskal Delays since 60% of it is made in India including parts of the engine, as compared to buying something like Su57 with a different supply chain

Ideally we should have bought 90 Su30 many years back and started Super Sukhoi upgrade program in earnest, atleast get the first batches rolled out with impoorted subsystems, perhaps something like aesa radar developed in partnership with the Jooz or any other foreign vendor willing to collaborate.

I envy the chongs and their Su-27 clones yaar

Honestly if pork aewcs were able to detect rafale from across the border what exactly is it's semi stealth design churan than our genrails were feeding us.

Astra mk2 is almost ready and we can convert rafale to full fledged ew aircraft.
We need numbers now, lca program is going nowhere and I doubt it will go any further unless we make engines by ourselves.

 

[shade2]

Lmao they have cancelled even their AEW&C programme. And
are using ancient AWACs with mechanical radars rn. That is why I don't think they even can deliver anything to us.

All their factories are surely repurposed to producing drones, shells, glide-bombs, missiles etc.
Even pre-war they didn't have much R&D except for the SAM systems like S400, just living off Soviet time ka kaam

 

[redpanda]

Honestly if pork aewcs were able to detect rafale from across the border what exactly is it's semi stealth design churan than our genrails were feeding us.

Astra mk2 is almost ready and we can convert rafale to full fledged ew aircraft.
We need numbers now, lca program is going nowhere and I doubt it will go any further unless we make engines by ourselves.

It an ELO aircraft not VLO. It's not completely invisible to everything. Even VLO aircrafts are going to get detected if they get close to a certain distance. And SPECTRA is an EW suite. And it has performed rather well for that.

How are you going to covert Rafale to EW aircraft without help from french? For that we have to pay them.

 

[Ajatshatru]

If the delivery of Tejas MK1A continues to face delays and Tejas MK2 enters serial production by 2028, especially with the local manufacturing of GE F414 engine in India, IAF might consider capping the MK1A order at 83 units and instead procure additional Tejas MK2s. However, this presents a logistical challenge — the hardened shelters built for the MiG-21 can only accommodate the smaller Tejas MK1A. Inducting the larger Tejas MK2 would require constructing new hardened shelters, which would significantly increase costs.

 

[redpanda]

All their factories are surely repurposed to producing drones, shells, glide-bombs, missiles etc.
Even pre-war they didn't have much R&D except for the SAM systems like S400, just living off Soviet time ka kaam

They were working on E-7 Wedgetail type AWAC. And it was in final stages of prototyping. But they gave up once the war started and they couldn't finish it in few weeks. Putya wasn't prepared for a 3 year war..

 

[liberalredditor]

If the delivery of Tejas MK1A continues to face delays and Tejas MK2 enters serial production by 2028, especially with the local manufacturing of GE F414 engine in India, IAF might consider capping the MK1A order at 83 units and instead procure additional Tejas MK2s. However, this presents a logistical challenge — the hardened shelters built for the MiG-21 can only accommodate the smaller Tejas MK1A. Inducting the larger Tejas MK2 would require constructing new hardened shelters, which would significantly increase costs.

no way mk2 will complete trials in 2 years, expect 5 years min due to added canards and weapons trials.

 

[Ajatshatru]

no way mk2 will complete trials in 2 years, expect 5 years min due to added canards and weapons trials.

I want to understand what the Indian Air Force plans to do with the hardened shelters originally built for the MiG-21. These shelters are only suitable for aircraft as small as the Tejas MK1A — no other modern fighter jet can fit inside them. To induct a larger aircraft, the IAF would have to construct entirely new hardened shelters. Wouldn’t that significantly increase the overall cost of deploying such platforms?

 

[Drwho]

CAATSA = Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act

Think about is, are we an "adversary" like Iran, Russia, China, NoKo etc? Nope. We literally ordered 12 more Su-30MKI few months back. Probably not buying more of them is due to the excuse of delayed Super Sukhoi upgrade programme. So buying more of older variants and then upgrading them all is unfeasible and senseless for IAF. It's like you buying À la carte meal after a combo meal and discarding what you don't like out of the combo to have it with the À la carte dish, you get the point.

Also, given the fact that we don't have dedicated EW aircrafts, like USA has E/A-18 Growlers and China has J-16D, a dedicated EW variant of Flankers makes sense, but is IAF interested? Nope. They don't even have plans for dedicated EW aircrafts. They want more importkhori.

People are scared of America. But reality is Pakistan buy from china and USA both and they don’t even pay for it.

So no point being shit scared . We must prepare out defence and shove this fact down their throat. They are giving weapons for free to our enemy and we have full right to buy to defend ourselves. From who ever provide our requirements.

If we follow their order and process, india will be wiped out in just a few years.

They don’t want to sell to us for higher price although they give weapon for free to kill our people. That person is called enemy . Not partner or friend . All the negotiations are two edge sword india survived and thrived for years without America and it will do it again for next thousands of years.

 

[shade2]

If the delivery of Tejas MK1A continues to face delays and Tejas MK2 enters serial production by 2028, especially with the local manufacturing of GE F414 engine in India, IAF might consider capping the MK1A order at 83 units and instead procure additional Tejas MK2s. However, this presents a logistical challenge — the hardened shelters built for the MiG-21 can only accommodate the smaller Tejas MK1A. Inducting the larger Tejas MK2 would require constructing new hardened shelters, which would significantly increase costs.

They will procure neither and get 40 Rafales instead.
Engine drama is not going to subside i think but time till tell

 

[shade2]

In other news Govt seems really mad at the Turkroaches, you have Leaderji visiting Cyprus and now you have the IAF Chief visiting Greece


View: https://x.com/IAF_MCC/status/1937551250972913901

I wouldn't be surprised if we sign a deal with them to export our Akash missiles and anything else

 

[liberalredditor]

They will procure neither and get 40 Rafales instead.
Engine drama is not going to subside i think but time till tell

they will rather procure 5 different types of fighters and make it a logistics circus, we have seen in the past

 

[shade2]

they will rather procure 5 different types of fighters and make it a logistics circus, we have seen in the past

Possible but with current developments Rafale seems likely but who knows, Orange ape may throw a tantrum and Leaderji will buy 100 F-16s to calm him down

It's Imported so the rayban-dharis won't mind.

 

[liberalredditor]

In other news Govt seems really mad at the Turkroaches, you have Leaderji visiting Cyprus and now you have the IAF Chief visiting Greece


View: https://x.com/IAF_MCC/status/1937551250972913901

I wouldn't be surprised if we sign a deal with them to export our Akash missiles and anything else

greece can be another indigenous dalal for us, we can provide qrsam, akash ng, atags, pinaka, astra, rudram, brahmos, pralay and all at soft loans

turkroach will pay for it from all sides, if we succeed we can push turkroach in a 3 front situation with cyprus, armenia and greece, turkroach will shit blood then

 

[shade2]

greece can be another indigenous dalal for us, we can provide qrsam, akash ng, atags, pinaka, astra, rudram, brahmos, pralay and all at soft loans

turkroach will pay for it from all sides, if we succeed we can push turkroach in a 3 front situation with cyprus, armenia and greece, turkroach will shit blood then

Don't forget about the Kurds.
If Turkroaches can poke their nose in our affairs we can into theirs also

From many years the jihadi infiltrators that are slaughtered in Kashmir are found equipped with Turkish weapons, it can be repaid in the same coin