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Don't forget about the Kurds.
If Turkroaches can poke their nose in our affairs we can into theirs also

From many years the jihadi infiltrators that are slaughtered in Kashmir are found equipped with Turkish weapons, it can be repaid in the same coin
it would be so fun to watch these turkmites getting rawwdogged from 3 sides, modiji pls make it happen, sell our weapons to them just like xhina gives it on loan and discount, arm them properly and train them for the skirmishes.
 
They will procure neither and get 40 Rafales instead.
Engine drama is not going to subside i think but time till tell
Rafales cannot fit into the hardened shelters built for MiG-21s. To replace MiG-21s with Rafales, Indian Air Force would need to construct new hardened shelters.
 

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Safran MRO in Hyderabad to do MRO of M88 Engines also
First outside of France.

What explains this desperation from these froggies?
You'd expect them to behave even more arrogantly now that they have orders from like Indonesia, UAE and some other countries?



Means french is moving few steps ahead against americans in Mrfa.

Till now TASL will supply structure, MRO in India. They are throwing the bone for us.

If MOD is serious they should finalize the 114 deal and ask french to integrate indian weapons on the rafale.

On counter we should do local production in France for pinaka.
 
Means french is moving few steps ahead against americans in Mrfa.

Till now TASL will supply structure, MRO in India. They are throwing the bone for us.

If MOD is serious they should finalize the 114 deal and ask french to integrate indian weapons on the rafale.

On counter we should do local production in France for pinaka.
Wouldn't Pinaka will become a bit expensive if it get manufactured in France?
 
IAF categorically stated that it needs a small fighter jet to replace the MiG-21. It’s important to remember that India has produced over 800 MiG-21s under license. So if not the Tejas MK1A, what aircraft could realistically fill that role? Even if a stealth fighter is developed in the future, it would still need to match the compact size of Tejas, as the role is primarily for point defense — a role that the Tejas MK1A fulfills exceptionally well.

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IAF categorically stated that it needs a small fighter jet to replace the MiG-21. It’s important to remember that India has produced over 800 MiG-21s under license. So if not the Tejas MK1A, what aircraft could realistically fill that role? Even if a stealth fighter is developed in the future, it would still need to match the compact size of Tejas, as the role is primarily for point defense — a role that the Tejas MK1A fulfills exceptionally well.

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Honestly they should just build new hardened shelter. I get it mig21 hardened shelter needs to be used. Tejas Mk1A does the job for that. But future aircrafts shouldn't be constrained by shelters. We can always build new shelters..
 
Honestly they should just build new hardened shelter. I get it mig21 hardened shelter needs to be used. Tejas Mk1A does the job for that. But future aircrafts shouldn't be constrained by shelters. We can always build new shelters..
But, Indian Air Force maintains that it requires a mix of small, medium, and heavy fighter jets, each tailored to fulfill specific roles and operational needs.
 
Means french is moving few steps ahead against americans in Mrfa.

Till now TASL will supply structure, MRO in India. They are throwing the bone for us.

If MOD is serious they should finalize the 114 deal and ask french to integrate indian weapons on the rafale.

On counter we should do local production in France for pinaka.
114 would kill us, it would go above 50 billion usd, i think 2-3 squadrons are enough as a stopgap until our indigenous platforms come into production

and as for 800 mig21 which were produced here, bro they were produced over a long period of 15-20 years, and there attrition rate was high, now in high tech space, you wouldnt look for filling the gap of those
rather you would look for the platform which is perfect for todays scenario, and that is to counter enemy aircraft and do strikes at known location, 1 tejas mk1a can fill the gap of 4-5 mig21 easily, as tech goes advanced, you wouldnt need quantity but high tech quality
 
If the delivery of Tejas MK1A continues to face delays and Tejas MK2 enters serial production by 2028, especially with the local manufacturing of GE F414 engine in India, IAF might consider capping the MK1A order at 83 units and instead procure additional Tejas MK2s. However, this presents a logistical challenge — the hardened shelters built for the MiG-21 can only accommodate the smaller Tejas MK1A. Inducting the larger Tejas MK2 would require constructing new hardened shelters, which would significantly increase costs.
What about mirage and jaguar?
Mk2 will occupy their shelters
 
Don't forget about the Kurds.
If Turkroaches can poke their nose in our affairs we can into theirs also

From many years the jihadi infiltrators that are slaughtered in Kashmir are found equipped with Turkish weapons, it can be repaid in the same coin
Kurds will be great customer but problem is that they are surrounded by iran, Iraq, syria . We will have difficult time supplying them as all those countries considers kurds militia as enemy.

Not sure about greece, NACHO countries have to maintain NACHO weapons only, turkroaches were kicked out of f35 program and are being denied rafale and typhoon for purchase of s400.
However we can sell to greece using Cyprus.
 

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Interesting podcast by Sandeep Unnithan on the need for strategic bombers by the IAF tracing the history of the need for it in the IAF including many offers by the USSR & many missed opportunities. Lots of surprising reveals here.
 

View: https://youtu.be/5PQiUa7RG8E?si=9EcWQ8prl5sLgd2q

Interesting podcast by Sandeep Unnithan on the need for strategic bombers by the IAF tracing the history of the need for it in the IAF including many offers by the USSR & many missed opportunities. Lots of surprising reveals here.

Our entire history is 'missed opportunities' tbh.

Remember we were offered Mig 31s as a replacement for our Foxbats. I know our Foxbats were used purely for recon, but the Mig 31 was a powerful interceptor designed to excel in the role.

That thing is one of the best long range interceptors out there, with massively powerful radars, long range BVRs and the ability to operate at high speeds and altitudes.

But we thumbed our noses at it, like we did with strategic bombers.
 
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Yanks haven't blocked engine sales, it's the shear genius of IAF to wait and wait and wait while thinking private companies will wait for them to shut down their factories after all orders are complete and it is no longer feasible to run them for small future orders. Same happened with C-17, ERJ-145, and even Mirage-2000-V5 during MMRCA days, they waited until they no longer could. They did same with LCA Tejas orders till the time GEF404 ran out of production, an engine IAF picked by own choice. Same isn't the case with F414, it has plenty of orders, and we want to produce them here under license.

AMCA isn't going to be true 5th gen even when it rolls out, without DAS, EOTS and ability to supercruise. Better is to invest in anti-stealth equipment for early detection and destruction of enemy stealth fighters.
well we r working in DAS nd EOTS (alpha defense make video about it)....one GE414 engine give supercruise ability to gripin E. so why cant two GE 414 engine with 98+98= 196 KN give AMCA supercruise capability?
look at F35 engine it give before burner 125 KN thurst. meanwhile two GE 414 give before burner 58+58= 116 KN thurst. AMCA will hv 27000 kg max take off weight, compaire to it F35 hv 29900 kg max take off. so no reason two GE414 engine cant give supercruise capability to AMCA. ADE etc already said they will make AMCA a 5.5 genration fighter. they hv enough time to develop DAS nd EOTS also. EOTS also needed for ghatak bomber before AMCA.
 
At this point, I think the 97 additional Tejas MK1A jets should be upgraded with canards, a retractable refueling probe, and a new cockpit similar to the Tejas MK2. Delays are inevitable anyway due to engine supply chain issues.
In my opinion:- HAL will deliver all 83 tejas mark 1a near 2031/32. coz they r 1-2 year behind orignal delivery of 2029. this timeline can even late, coz still only one engine given by GE nd they promised to provide two engine per month. so who knows they will fullfill their promise or not like before.
If we see tejas mark 2 timeline. HAL/ADE said tejas mark 2 will be ready for production near 2028. but we know how we work, so assume they will make tejas mark 2 production ready near 2030-31. IF we r sure about that timeline, we should order 200 tejas mark 2. instead of giving order of 97 tejas mark 1a. coz to deliver it, they will take another 3/4/5 year (if we assume they will deliver at 24/32 fighter per year). so we will getting tejas mark 2 only after 2034-35.
if we compaire tejas mark 2, its far better than tejas mark 1a. its hv longer range, larger weapon carring capability. beside this:-
1:- more hardpoints.
2:- MAWS.
3:- infrared sensor.
4:- GAN based aesa radars.
5:- may be supercruise ability.
6:- RAM coating nd better avionics.
so moving toward more powerful nd capable fighter (tejas mark 2) is vetter option than ordering 97 tejas mark 1a. but air force nd government r not in hurry to make our air force more capable. so they will order 97 tejas mark 1a. 😂
 
But, Indian Air Force maintains that it requires a mix of small, medium, and heavy fighter jets, each tailored to fulfill specific roles and operational needs.
do hardend shelter "really" save aircraft under it??? In my knowledge no bunker is safe from ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, bunker penetrating bombs etc.
so these shelter is basically used to save aircrafts from weather nd its effects. why cant we upgrade a smaller shelter of mig 21 in a larger shelter of su 30 mki or medium shelter of rafale etc???
 
114 would kill us, it would go above 50 billion usd, i think 2-3 squadrons are enough as a stopgap until our indigenous platforms come into production

and as for 800 mig21 which were produced here, bro they were produced over a long period of 15-20 years, and there attrition rate was high, now in high tech space, you wouldnt look for filling the gap of those
rather you would look for the platform which is perfect for todays scenario, and that is to counter enemy aircraft and do strikes at known location, 1 tejas mk1a can fill the gap of 4-5 mig21 easily, as tech goes advanced, you wouldnt need quantity but high tech quality
how are u making 50 billion cost for 114 rafale...we already paid for indian specific modification. if we see latest (dec 2021) deal of 80 rafale for UAE, they paid 17.2 billion dollars. that make 215 million dollar for per rafale. so our new rafale order will be near this price range, coz we r second time buyer nd buying in bulk (114 number). that make its price cheaper. neither we hv to pay for training, indian modification etc.
so 114 rafale will cost us :- 114×215= 25 billion dollar.

lets assume we will get our 114 rafale in our navy 26 rafale M cost. which cost us near 7.5 billion dollars. that makes it per rafale M near 288 million dollars.
so 114 rafale will cost us = 114×288 = 33 billion dollar.

so 114 rafale will cost us between 25 billion dollars to 33 billion dollars. 50 billior dollar only cost, if u want wrap up all our rafale in gold plate😛. like arabs style for show off😂.
 
how are u making 50 billion cost for 114 rafale...we already paid for indian specific modification. if we see latest (dec 2021) deal of 80 rafale for UAE, they paid 17.2 billion dollars. that make 215 million dollar for per rafale. so our new rafale order will be near this price range, coz we r second time buyer nd buying in bulk (114 number). that make its price cheaper. neither we hv to pay for training, indian modification etc.
so 114 rafale will cost us :- 114×215= 25 billion dollar.

lets assume we will get our 114 rafale in our navy 26 rafale M cost. which cost us near 7.5 billion dollars. that makes it per rafale M near 288 million dollars.
so 114 rafale will cost us = 114×288 = 33 billion dollar.

so 114 rafale will cost us between 25 billion dollars to 33 billion dollars. 50 billior dollar only cost, if u want wrap up all our rafale in gold plate😛. like arabs style for show off😂.
In 33 billion we can build much more tejas and super sukhoi.
Apart from western weapons integration they don't serve much purpose.
 
In 33 billion we can build much more tejas and super sukhoi.
Apart from western weapons integration they don't serve much purpose.
right..but i m only discussing here about 114 rafale cost. in my personal views:-
1:- buy 36 more rafale.
2:- buy 72 su 57.
3:- no additional 97 tejas mark 1a....instead 200-300 tejas mark 2.
4:- not only 84 super sukhoi. atleast 75% of our newer su 30 mki should be supersukhoi upgrade. nd rest 25% first delieverd older su 30 mki should be used as flying tractor or mini bomber without any upgrade. with brahmos, rudram, BVR missiles etc.
5:- for ishwar shake, buy atleast one R37 M BVR missile for every su 30 mki. 😢
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right..but i m only discussing here about 114 rafale cost. in my personal views:-
1:- buy 36 more rafale.
2:- buy 72 su 57.
3:- no additional 97 tejas mark 1a....instead 200-300 tejas mark 2.
4:- not only 84 super sukhoi. atleast 75% of our newer su 30 mki should be supersukhoi upgrade. nd rest 25% first delieverd older su 30 mki should be used as flying tractor or mini bomber without any upgrade. with brahmos, rudram, BVR missiles etc.
5:- for ishwar shake, buy atleast one R37 M BVR missile for every su 30 mki. 😢
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Instead of upgrading older sukhoi at such high cost shouldn't we just make new with better engine and upgrades. Su30 is our primary jet for all testing.
We can sell or give older one to Armenia and other countries
 

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