Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (16 Viewers)

[Galaxy]

You gave yourself away long ago Wumao. Enjoy your brief sojourn here.


You specifically stated the Lavi imitation you call J-10 shot down the Rafale with the PL-17. I've asked you repeatedly for the evidence. Post it here & shut me up. In fact you can shut the entire forum up. Go ahead. What's preventing you? The goodness of your heart?


I ask you once again descendant of those who ate each other during the great leap forward please post the evidence of the Lavi imitation shooting down the Rafale. You want me to translate that in Mandarin? Don't be shy. Just ask. Google Translate does a much better job of these things than Baidu mistranslate.

Again insulting me doesn’t win you arguments. I’m not Chinese nor am i Pakistani or Indian. Come up with something better.

And I never said anything about a PL-17….can you read? I said PL-15E and there was photos/video India itself showed of a PL-15E. On top of that there was the video/photos of the wreckage from the Rafale and on top of that India admitted losing aircraft. How can you be in such a delusional state of denial?


Here are sources and photos…but yea continue putting your head in the sand and convincing yourself it’s all fake AI and even the US and India is in on the conspiracy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/pakistans-chinese-made-jet-brought-down-two-indian-fighter-aircraft-us-officials-2025-05-08/

Chinese-Made PL-15 Air-To-Air Missile Components Came Down Intact Inside India

Pakistani use of PL-15Es against Indian fighters opens up a new vector for intelligence exploitation on one of China's most threatening missiles.

www.twz.com

India finally admits it lost fighter jets in clash with Pakistan

Speaking candidly about the brief conflict with Pakistan earlier this month, India’s chief of defence staff says two countries never close to nuclear war

www.the-independent.com

 

[randombully]

On top of that there was the video/photos of the wreckage from the Rafale

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View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1925961210932994278

India admitted losing aircraft

Aircraft=/=, rafale.
From what I know we lost mirage 2000, mig29upg

 

[randombully]

Again insulting me doesn’t win you arguments. I’m not Chinese nor am i Pakistani or Indian. Come up with something better.

And I never said anything about a PL-17….can you read? I said PL-15E and there was photos/video India itself showed of a PL-15E. On top of that there was the video/photos of the wreckage from the Rafale and on top of that India admitted losing aircraft. How can you be in such a delusional state of denial?


Here are sources and photos…but yea continue putting your head in the sand and convincing yourself it’s all fake AI and even the US and India is in on the conspiracy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/pakistans-chinese-made-jet-brought-down-two-indian-fighter-aircraft-us-officials-2025-05-08/

Chinese-Made PL-15 Air-To-Air Missile Components Came Down Intact Inside India

Pakistani use of PL-15Es against Indian fighters opens up a new vector for intelligence exploitation on one of China's most threatening missiles.

www.twz.com

India finally admits it lost fighter jets in clash with Pakistan

Speaking candidly about the brief conflict with Pakistan earlier this month, India’s chief of defence staff says two countries never close to nuclear war

www.the-independent.com

Power of deep fake.

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1931670078837375005

 

[Galaxy]

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View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1925961210932994278


Aircraft=/=, rafale.
From what I know we lost mirage 2000, mig29upg

Stop embarrassing yourself with such nonsense. When aircraft crash they break apart. You can find lots of pictures of wreckage with engines dislodged and why would the dirt and spares grass catch fire if the engines break off and land many yards away? The engines themselves don’t have fuel they have combustion chambers where fuel is pumped into engines. Once then engine breaks apart there is no ignition source.

And again India admitted it took losses…the evidence is overwhelming.

 

[Azaad]

Again insulting me doesn’t win you arguments. I’m not Chinese nor am i Pakistani or Indian. Come up with something better.

The very fact that you're repeatedly mouthing the same points as the Chinese or their bitch Paxtan gave you away Wumao. Try better.

And I never said anything about a PL-17….can you read?

Typo , Wumao , that was a typo. PL-15 / PL-15 E it is.

I said PL-15E and there was photos/video India itself showed of a PL-15E.

Yes, including many unexploded ones. Totally intact. So intact we could send it to your employers - the MSS gift wrapped. Instead we're sharing the data with your ancestors from Nanking across the Sea of Japan & your BFF - the USA . Stay tuned. The South Koreans & the Aussies could be in the loop too. And of course your cousins across the Straits of Taiwan / Formosa.

On top of that there was the video/photos of the wreckage from the Rafale

Deep fake courtesy your employer the MSS.

and on top of that India admitted losing aircraft.

No official denial & certainly none confirming the Rafale or any other FA in the inventory of the IAF was shot down by your imitation Lavi with the PL-15E / PL-15 .

How can you be in such a delusional state of denial?

Doing my good deed for the day by helping some Wumao put food on the table you see. The more I post the more you post. That's 1 USD / per post more in your bank account plus extra social credit points

Here are sources and photos…but yea continue putting your head in the sand and convincing yourself it’s all fake AI and even the US and India is in on the conspiracy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/pakistans-chinese-made-jet-brought-down-two-indian-fighter-aircraft-us-officials-2025-05-08/

One U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there was high confidence that Pakistan had used the Chinese-made J-10 aircraft to launch air-to-air missiles against Indian fighter jets - bringing down at least two.
Another official said at least one Indian jet that was shot down was a French-made Rafale fighter aircraft.
Both officials said Pakistan's F-16 aircraft, made by Lockheed Martin (LMT.N), opens new tab, were not used in the shootdown.
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"Anonymous US officials " strikes once again. Pray how did "anonymous US officials " know exactly what transpired?

Wait a minute. That's exactly like what you sound like Wumao when you claimed the Lavi imitation shot down the Rafale with the PL-15 / PL-15E.

Chinese-Made PL-15 Air-To-Air Missile Components Came Down Intact Inside India

Pakistani use of PL-15Es against Indian fighters opens up a new vector for intelligence exploitation on one of China's most threatening missiles.

www.twz.com

This is the quality of journalism. Unnamed sources. Can't be verified. Evidence of at least one Rafale shot with the evidence being known propaganda sites of Paxtan & your employer the MSS.

About the only thing the article got right were the multiple PL-15 / PL -15E junk which landed intact in India . What happened to these pieces of junk that multiple numbers fell intact on Indian soil ?

Did the proximity fuse fail or did the Paxtani pilots not know how to fire it or did the Chinese manufacturers neglect to load on the proximity fuses ? Or did the data link fail or were all these junk jammed?

Pakistan’s claims remain largely unsubstantiated. Pakistani officials have now released radar data and audio recordings, but they cannot be readily verified independently. There is visual evidence of at least one of India’s Rafales having been lost. There have also now been multiple reports on Indian Air Force losses, citing unnamed U.S., French, and Indian officials, but they disagree on the exact numbers and circumstances.

India finally admits it lost fighter jets in clash with Pakistan

Speaking candidly about the brief conflict with Pakistan earlier this month, India’s chief of defence staff says two countries never close to nuclear war

www.the-independent.com

Any more MSS sponsored news of anonymous officials giving fly on the wall sound bytes much like you out here or any other Paxtani anonymous sources?

 

[randombully]

Stop embarrassing yourself with such nonsense. When aircraft crash they break apart.

Looks to be Very clean breaking apart.

You can find lots of pictures of wreckage with engines dislodged

There are only two pics/videos online.
One of tail, one of this engine video.

why would the dirt and spares grass catch fire if the engines break off and land many yards away?

Because engines, Don't break off like that, along with when missile's warhead explodes it carries lot of heat and hot metal fragments peirce the skin of aircraft, especially when a engines area gets badly damaged enough for an engine to just dislodged and fall down.
Yet the engine itself doesn't seem to pierced my many fragments, especially it's exhaust section which would be first thing a missile's warhead will damage, but the damage here seems to be from falling down, flitting on the engine.

Also there's doesn't seem to be even a little bit of crater on the ground, or even some deformation, it's af the nearly 1 ton engine fell very gently.

And again India admitted it took losses…the evidence is overwhelming.

No mention of rafale there.
As said before from what I know we lost Mirage 2000, mig29upg

 

[mist_consecutive]

I am really sorry for breaking everyone's heart.

Spoiler: Don't open if you are weak hearted

1 Rafale did crash in Bhatinda.

 

[pythonlover]

I am really sorry for breaking everyone's heart.

Spoiler: Don't open if you are weak hearted

1 Rafale did crash in Bhatinda.

It may or may not have crashed. The point is that let these f*ckers be subject to the same level of proof that they ask from us. Lol they claim that we hit empty air bases and ask us to show the proof of damages to aircraft and personnel, while themselves spamming fake videos and photos as claims. Dude if the hangars were empty, what were your airforce personnel doing inside the hangars? And why were your aircraft parked all over the air bases out in open? You had time to empty your hangars which were protected inside, but left other aircraft out in open? Does it make sense. How many times we have proven their images and videos as fake. Let these f*ckers provide the same level of proof. You claim Rafale was hit, show us a clear evidence which we cannot dispute. Lol and I am not even addressing about 6 planes claim (most likely we lost 2 FA + 1 Heron drone).

And they should tell us what happened to their famed and useless PL-15, J-10, HQ-9 etc etc after the first night of combat when IAF did SEAD & DEAD? How did they allow IAF to bomb PAF bases to smithereens if they are so great? Neither could intercept IAF aircraft nor could intercept our missiles. Useless junks.

 

[Azaad]

I am really sorry for breaking everyone's heart.

Spoiler: Don't open if you are weak hearted

1 Rafale did crash in Bhatinda.

Instead of checking the Wumao you're actually supporting his PoV & all this with zero evidence in the public domain as if both of you are getting your information from the same sources.

And you're supposed to be one of the moderators of this forum.

Keep it up!

 

[snakeeyes07]

I am going to run a IAF-PAF simulation across Punjab, Jammu and some part of Rajasthan area.
PAF
20x J-10C
25x JF-17 blk3 with PL15E loadout
18x JF-17 blk3 with PL12 loadout
12x JF-17 blk3 with CM400AKG loadout
8x F16 blk52
2x HQ16 [Lahore & Sialkot]
2x Spada 2000 [Mianwali, Murid]
1x HQ9B [Nur Khan] - Does anybody know the location of other HQ9B from open source, maybe Sargodha?
1x Babur SSM regiment
1x DF11 SSM regiment
2x Saab 2000 AEW&C
1x JY27A radar

IAF
40x SU30MKI Astra mk1 loadout
10x SU30MKI loadout
30x MIG29UPG
12x Rafale Meteor loadout
12x Tejas MK1 DCA
12x Mirage 2000 MICA loadout DCA
4x Rafale Scalp loadout
1x SSM regiment
1x Agni 1 SSM regiment (roleplaying as Pralay)
1x EMB-145
1x Phalcon
1x S400 [Adampur]
1x IAF Akash [Adampur, Halwara]
1x MRSAM [Bathinda, Sirsa]
2x SA-3 [Bathinda, Sirsa]
1x IA Akash [Jalandhar]
4x Spyder [Amritsar, Jammu, Pathankot, Halwara]
1x P8I

Will give 8 airbases to India (no fighter ops from Amritsar, Jammu, Pathankot). Will give 6 airbases to Pakistan, Rafiqui, Sargodha, Nur Khan, Mianwali (no fighter ops from Lahore and Murid)

In this scenarios air-to-air and air-to-surface engagements will happen simultaneously. In later round, cruise missile (SSM regmts) will open up and followed by BM if losses are very skewed on one side.

Any suggestions?
@randombully
@mist_consecutive
@vampyrbladez

 

[redpanda]

Huwawei makes the ascend 910c/910d 7nm chips and they are already made a 1nm chip which surpasses both TSMC and Intel. You claiming Chinese chips suck is just a biased opinion.

Yeah and I can make flying cars with a scalpel. Your statement is akin to that. Certainly this wumao is earning some extra money for this spicy propaganda. But perhaps wumao was sleeping during his training, he forgot the technology itself hasn't progressed that far in semiconductor industry.

 

[Galaxy]

Looks to be Very clean breaking apart.


There are only two pics/videos online.
One of tail, one of this engine video.


Because engines, Don't break off like that, along with when missile's warhead explodes it carries lot of heat and hot metal fragments peirce the skin of aircraft, especially when a engines area gets badly damaged enough for an engine to just dislodged and fall down.
Yet the engine itself doesn't seem to pierced my many fragments, especially it's exhaust section which would be first thing a missile's warhead will damage, but the damage here seems to be from falling down, flitting on the engine.

Also there's doesn't seem to be even a little bit of crater on the ground, or even some deformation, it's af the nearly 1 ton engine fell very gently.

No mention of rafale there.
As said before from what I know we lost Mirage 2000, mig29upg

I have known multiple people involved in aircraft crashes and a Google search is your friend. The engines are the heavies components of the aircraft and when an aircraft crashes they impact the ground with great force sometimes measuring thousands of G force upon impact. Do you think heavy engines being held in place by some bolts attached to thin aluminum bulkheads can withstand G force in the hundreds or thousands? Use common sense…

 

[mist_consecutive]

It may or may not have crashed. The point is that let these f*ckers be subject to the same level of proof that they ask from us. Lol they claim that we hit empty air bases and ask us to show the proof of damages to aircraft and personnel, while themselves spamming fake videos and photos as claims. Dude if the hangars were empty, what were your airforce personnel doing inside the hangars? And why were your aircraft parked all over the air bases out in open? You had time to empty your hangars which were protected inside, but left other aircraft out in open? Does it make sense. How many times we have proven their images and videos as fake. Let these f*ckers provide the same level of proof. You claim Rafale was hit, show us a clear evidence which we cannot dispute. Lol and I am not even addressing about 6 planes claim (most likely we lost 2 FA + 1 Heron drone).

And they should tell us what happened to their famed and useless PL-15, J-10, HQ-9 etc etc after the first night of combat when IAF did SEAD & DEAD? How did they allow IAF to bomb PAF bases to smithereens if they are so great? Neither could intercept IAF aircraft nor could intercept our missiles. Useless junks.

Instead of checking the Wumao you're actually supporting his PoV & all this with zero evidence in the public domain as if both of you are getting your information from the same sources.

And you're supposed to be one of the moderators of this forum.

Keep it up!

My viewpoint is different. There was a time for psyops, and most of you will remember I was very active during Op Sindoor. Same for Balakot, same for Galwan.

Post Ops, dust has settled, satellite pictures are out, BDA has been done, ceasefire has been called (and it has been 1+ month). This is the time for us to analyse what went well and what didn't.

For those weapons which worked well, great, we should look into why it worked well, and improve it. But moreover, we must look into what didn't work well, and either fix it, or create contingency plans for it.

Regarding arguing with Wumaos / Jihadis, you are wasting your bandwidth and effort. You cannot convince someone who won't accept satellite pictures and videos taken from the ground. They know the truth, they are lying, and trying to troll you. Pakistan has been defeated and PAF disabled within 48 hours, and they know it.

Leave them to Moderators. Ignore the trolls, move on.

I believe this forum should upheld its standards high-quality knowledge and informed technical debates instead of becoming a GoI IT-cell echo chamber.

I have informed this before, in case this is not something this forum yearns for, moderators please delete this and my above post.

 

[Nibbler]

Like I said I work with semiconductors. We get regular briefings on competitors including in China, and a least one of our engineers was secretly working for China so the Chinese have very advanced ships. Huwawei makes the ascend 910c/910d 7nm chips and they are already made a 1nm chip which surpasses both TSMC and Intel. You claiming Chinese chips suck is just a biased opinion. Chinese chips are found in western military hardware and Hewaei is such a threat that the west has been trying to kill it with sanctions for years. In the same way the US and the west have been trying to kill the Russian arms industry for years by threatening India, Turkey, Egypt, ect not to buy Russian equipment even before 2022.

Not sure why you are also in such denial. A J-10 clearly shot down a Rafale, not saying Rafale is bad or India pilots were bad but that the J-10B and PL-15E were much better then what Indians expected, suck it up and stop making excuses. India hitting Pakistan military targets does not mean Chinese air defenses were bad, any air defense can be overwhelmed, it could also be poor planning on the part of Pakistan such as not enough air defenses in a sector or not enough ammunition to replenish spent missiles, ect. Plus India used some very advanced systems so your point is mute.

How many pl15s did PAF fire Cheng?

Idk why this always gets glossed over in muh rafaaail discussions. Consider how many intact pl15s were recovered.

Seems to me like they emptied their magazine in a panic and don't have much to show for it.

Choyna has won the tech war 1000 times over on the internet. 1nm chips and cancer cures.

 

[mist_consecutive]

I am gonna drop some tidbits for you guys.

• PAF launched 20-30 PL-15s on the first day. None connected. Why ?
• All PL-15 launches were from J-10C. JF-17s were armed with PL-12s instead. Why ?
• PA used Shakargarh bulge and Siaklot to ambush our jets. How did we tackle that ?
• Did terrorists in Kashmir fired MANPADs at our jets ?
• IAF MRSAM & S-400s scored 5-6 PAF kills. None by our jets. Why ?

 

[Nibbler]

I am gonna drop some tidbits for you guys.

• PAF launched 20-30 PL-15s on the first day. None connected. Why ?
• All PL-15 launches were from J-10C. JF-17s were armed with PL-12s instead. Why ?
• PA used Shakargarh bulge and Siaklot to ambush our jets. How did we tackle that ?
• Did terrorists in Kashmir fired MANPADs at our jets ?
• IAF MRSAM & S-400s scored 5-6 PAF kills. None by our jets. Why ?

Ser just answer questions.. it's been a long day

 

[E-195]

Caption: Mr Arvind Mehra, Managing Director and CEO of Mahindra Aerostructures with Mr Ricardo Chocarro, CEO of Aernnova

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Aernnova & Mahindra Aerostructures announce a multi- year $300 Million contract, strengthening their long- standing partnership

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[jaijaganath]

I am really sorry for breaking everyone's heart.

Spoiler: Don't open if you are weak hearted

1 Rafale did crash in Bhatinda.

It was known from day 1
Infact I am surprised the way govt was able to control the flow of news
That makes me sure that when people were claiming that look how pakis are preparing and we doing nothing, we were mobilising like hell

Coming to losing of rafale AFAIK it was shoot by SAM not AAM
Don't know from where J-10C or PL-15 came into picture
But yeah many PL-15 were launched at least more that 20 but I can't speak further regarding their score
But there were multiple MKIs and they dodged many AAM like during swift-retort

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Superior SU 57 is a meme at this time. Even Russians can't able to mass manufacture it. It just an evolution of Sukhoi series utilizing the mature tech they mastered in SU 30 series development. It still uses the AL31 derivatives which is an nightmare in terms of MTBO. Exposed Turbine and their adhoc design to shield them. Exposed IRST and exposed nozzles. They just packed some radars for all round coverage. We are working on the same thing with passive sensors like MAWS, RWR. Also the Radars were still behind than DRDO GaN radars.

Also we can do better sensor fusion than Russians. It is just India's trademark chalta hai behavior.

 

[liberalredditor]

Instead of checking the Wumao you're actually supporting his PoV & all this with zero evidence in the public domain as if both of you are getting your information from the same sources.

And you're supposed to be one of the moderators of this forum.

Keep it up!

Downfall of forum started long ago