Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (13 Viewers)

[Binayak95]

Too good to be true

Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Israeli procurement - Wikipedia

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Israeli F-35s can have Israeli radar, EW subsystems, software added to them they can use Israeli missiles etc.
MRO is also controlled by Israelis.

This is only because the Zionist lobby has immense clout in US.

UK, Australia, Japan, Italy nobody else has this level of freedom with their F-35s.

One way is this is possible is we're using the Israelis and their Zionist lobby as a middleman mediator country to do this.

Israel as the middleman is a fact of life.

So Israel like literally means ISRAEL like.

 

[Binayak95]

Sirji mujhe pata hai app reply back nahi karoge
But still I have few questions internals ripped of means what ?
I mean whether we can put our own GaN radar or our own SRK or our own indigenous electronics developed for amca or our own data link and communication equipments

Additional question where do u see amca going

AMCA - IF big IF hal is made to shut the fuck up, and pvt players are allowed to become the lead in integration, manufacturing then AMCA can be the start of a golden age in Indian aviation.

 

[liberalredditor]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTlQGZTWNmY

Netra mk2 is just the current Netra radar fitted to a bigger plane or is the radar block itself uprated/upgraded

aaau was upgraded and delivered to drdo last year for upgrades and this is GaN based and a bit better than mk1a

 

[liberalredditor]

Why stop at imported aircrafts , lets also import pilots as well.

well according to porki neighbour, iaf (israel) sent their pilots to work with iaf (endia) and even israeli pilots flew indian planes

 

[truthsoldier]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTlQGZTWNmY

Netra mk2 is just the current Netra radar fitted to a bigger plane or is the radar block itself uprated/upgraded

What's the progress? The last I read even the aircraft modification has not been agreed upon till now

 

[Mangal]

Is it possible for India to do some tweaks I'm the frontal section of SU57 to reduce its RCS and then sign a contract? I mean using existing experience of AMCA to improve SU57 in the shortest time frame and tying this option in the contract with Russia. I mean how feasible could be this or is it even possible?

 

[Ajatshatru]

View: https://youtu.be/CWor3VcpJvY?si=HsEKkJdvYxvP7f4e

 

[Noob_Saibot]

mujhse source naa pucha karo.. I am not in the business of claiming stuff for shit and giggles. Nor can i afford saying what and where i work,

Calling bullshit right here.

If this happens, i will change my name to whatever this forum wants and donate a 100 pounds on top.

There is no fucking way the US is giving us the F35 without a million strings attached.

A better deal than what yhey gave the UK?

Fucking hell, a snowball's chance in hell.

 

[shade2]

Is it possible for India to do some tweaks I'm the frontal section of SU57 to reduce its RCS and then sign a contract? I mean using existing experience of AMCA to improve SU57 in the shortest time frame and tying this option in the contract with Russia. I mean how feasible could be this or is it even possible?

The main frontal RCS problem afaik is that it doesn't have the S-shaped intakes, you can see the jet blades from the front, and so can the radar, they have attached some jugaad device infront of the jet engines though to reduce RCS but it doesn't help much

The little gol-matol IRST thing on the front also hurts RCS but i'm not sure by how much



ofc for the intakes you'll have to redesign the whole jet.

 

[Tumba]

I think its more or less confirmed that India is getting SU57 MKI … but I really doubt India will get first SU57 MKI with in five years going back by Russian history and specially now when its stuck in Ukraine

 

[redpanda]

What's the progress? The last I read even the aircraft modification has not been agreed upon till now

Radar prototype is already built. Issue is mostly with the airframe.

The main frontal RCS problem afaik is that it doesn't have the S-shaped intakes, you can see the jet blades from the front, and so can the radar, they have attached some jugaad device infront of the jet engines though to reduce RCS but it doesn't help much

The little gol-matol IRST thing on the front also hurts RCS but i'm not sure by how much

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ofc for the intakes you'll have to redesign the whole jet.

That IRST make it look like a truck whenever it activates. Basically that is the worst offender when it comes to unmaking Su-57 from a stealth aircraft to a not so much of a stealth aircraft.. somebody had shared this on SF.

Su-57 Radar scattering simulation

Introduction Su-57 is the first aircraft in Russian military service designed with stealth technology, it is intended to replace Su-27/30/35 family and server as the Russian answer to the American …

basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com

 

[angryindian]

I think its more or less confirmed that India is getting SU57 MKI … but I really doubt India will get first SU57 MKI with in five years going back by Russian history and specially now when its stuck in Ukraine

The Ukrainian war has wrecked the Russian economy and industrial capability so much that I doubt they will be able to deliver even within 10 years. Most of their technicians, scientists, and engineers are fleeing the country in droves. When the war ends, Russia will be a shell of its former self.

 

[snakeeyes07]

The Ukrainian war has wrecked the Russian economy and industrial capability so much that I doubt they will be able to deliver even within 10 years. Most of their technicians, scientists, and engineers are fleeing the country in droves. When the war ends, Russia will be a shell of its former self.

They are relying on Chinese components for drones being used in Ukraine. How are they going to manage 5G avionics components?

IMO purchasing SU57 is throwing money down the drain.


View: https://x.com/TWMCLtd/status/1941134190235512878

 

[mist_consecutive]

Su57 nahi hoga. F35 is coming. In a Israel like package. the internals ripped out and replaced where possible with Indian system. Contract signing is some months away - maybe even 2 years. Delivery is 2030.

If you are the same Binayak on DFI then

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Kids who are new here, listen to what he says.

 

[mist_consecutive]

The main frontal RCS problem afaik is that it doesn't have the S-shaped intakes, you can see the jet blades from the front, and so can the radar, they have attached some jugaad device infront of the jet engines though to reduce RCS but it doesn't help much

The little gol-matol IRST thing on the front also hurts RCS but i'm not sure by how much

View attachment 42608

ofc for the intakes you'll have to redesign the whole jet.

To put things in perspective, F-22 & F-35 have lesser (claimed) RCS than that frontal IRST of Su-57.

 

[shade2]

They are relying on Chinese components for drones being used in Ukraine. How are they going to manage 5G avionics components?

IMO purchasing SU57 is throwing money down the drain.


View: https://x.com/TWMCLtd/status/1941134190235512878

Drones are disposable things, you need mass market electronics chips for that, only one country provides those.

chips used in fancy fighter jets are more bespoke so the Ruskal makes those himself, as those any other hardware producing nation does.

It just so happens it might get delayed to pro plus max levels, or can be deleted altogether if Ukrani drone hits the factory where Ruskal produces these.

Even pre-war the Ruskal wasn't prompt with his deliveries, has been a problem since the USSR collapsed.

If they want us to buy that it must be #Phull ToT, we should have the whole airframe being made here, ability to swap out whatever electronics ( Radar, EW, MAWS ) and weapons we want etc.
Even most of the engine parts should be made here.

AMCA - IF big IF hal is made to shut the fuck up, and pvt players are allowed to become the lead in integration, manufacturing then AMCA can be the start of a golden age in Indian aviation.

If what you are saying is true viz F-35 there is no need for AMCA at all.

AMCA only has a future if like 40 F-35s are bought and their only purpose is to fire AIM-120s and AGM-88s, no domestic weapons integration, no IACCS integration, no permissions to add own electronics( or even Israeli )

 

[IRDefense]

Calling bullshit right here.

If this happens, i will change my name to whatever this forum wants and donate a 100 pounds on top.

There is no fucking way the US is giving us the F35 without a million strings attached.

A better deal than what yhey gave the UK?

Fucking hell, a snowball's chance in hell.

POTUS & VP openly lobbied India to buy F35, ppl at such high levels don't usually openly lobby for a particular platform, they really want India to buy it. Of course, they are expecting something in return from India.

May be turn QUAD into a military alliance which India seems to be avoiding or something else, but I don't doubt US wants to sell it.

 

[redpanda]

Drones are disposable things, you need mass market electronics chips for that, only one country provides those.

chips used in fancy fighter jets are more bespoke so the Ruskal makes those himself, as those any other hardware producing nation does.

It just so happens it might get delayed to pro plus max levels, or can be deleted altogether if Ukrani drone hits the factory where Ruskal produces these.

Even pre-war the Ruskal wasn't prompt with his deliveries, has been a problem since the USSR collapsed.

If they want us to buy that it must be #Phull ToT, we should have the whole airframe being made here, ability to swap out whatever electronics ( Radar, EW, MAWS ) and weapons we want etc.
Even most of the engine parts should be made here.



If what you are saying is true viz F-35 there is no need for AMCA at all.

AMCA only has a future if like 40 F-35s are bought and their only purpose is to fire AIM-120s and AGM-88s, no domestic weapons integration, no IACCS integration, no permissions to add own electronics( or even Israeli )

I don't think AMCA will die. Because I don't see us purchasing more than 2 squadron of F-35. More than that would be too expensive of a deal. 2 Squadron of F-35 is enough for Pakistan but not for China. For that we still need a 5th generation aircraft which we can get in a huge numbers. So AMCA is a necessity. Even if F-35 comes, AMCA will live.

 

[shade2]

I don't think AMCA will die. Because I don't see us purchasing more than 2 squadron of F-35. More than that would be too expensive of a deal. 2 Squadron of F-35 is enough for Pakistan but not for China. For that we still need a 5th generation aircraft which we can get in a huge numbers. So AMCA is a necessity. Even if F-35 comes, AMCA will live.

They can give us an assembly line for a larger order after orange monkey is gone.
Maybe we can fabricate some parts also like wings.

Depends how serious both buyer and seller are.

Afaik aside from US, repair/MRO of F35 done only in UK, Italy and SKorea, we could be one more destination i guess?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Su57 nahi hoga. F35 is coming. In a Israel like package. the internals ripped out and replaced where possible with Indian system. Contract signing is some months away - maybe even 2 years. Delivery is 2030.

Damn. Then both Dassault and Rosoboronexport can kiss MRFA good bye. If Israelis are middle-manning this, few Indian weapons (folded fin Astra Mk1/Mk2) could be matched with it.

If what you are saying is true viz F-35 there is no need for AMCA at all.

AMCA only has a future if like 40 F-35s are bought

Regardless of how many F-35s are bought, AMCA is a necessity. Otherwise the Koreans wouldn't have tried so hard with the KF-21, and neither the Japanese would be working on the J-X.