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IAF is simply testing water tbh with that number. They are very cautious because they don't trust HAL. If they see Tejas Mk2 being good. Expect more orders for Mk2 during the production process just like Mk1A. There could be 150-200 additional orders for Mk2A or something.

They want to save budget for whatever the import of the day is.

As i've said over 9000 times before, user is not interested in Tejas/MWF/AMCA

They are on their own trip of gold plated imports predicated on max week long conflicts thanks to the political class being weary of war and the bhikari jihadi mulq next door being incapable of anything else.
 
they don't trust HAL. If they see Tejas Mk2 being good.
hal is just doing assembly, it wasnt involved in the design of airframe and its avionics and ew system. we need the numbers from mk2 anyhow by 2036-37, even before. as mig29, jaguar, mirage 2000 would become just like mig 21 is today, an antique. to counter chini quantity, we will also need quantity, considering iaf isnt interested in tedbf program
 
On the pak forum they don't want to understand I'm french.

They speak of me as a "Rakesh". What doest it means? They don't want to explain (as an indian....)
If you disagree with them, they’ll label you as Indian. Many Pakistani news anchors and overseas Pakistanis who accept the fact that Indian Air Force struck airbases across the length and breadth of Pakistan are now being branded as Indians or Indian agents.
 
On the pak forum they don't want to understand I'm french.

They speak of me as a "Rakesh". What doest it means? They don't want to explain (as an indian....)
Bravo you are now Raa-agent in their eye my friend. Pakis refer people who they think as R&AW agent Rakesh. Raa-agent Raa-kesh.
 
They want to save budget for whatever the import of the day is.

As i've said over 9000 times before, user is not interested in Tejas/MWF/AMCA

They are on their own trip of gold plated imports predicated on max week long conflicts thanks to the political class being weary of war and the bhikari jihadi mulq next door being incapable of anything else.
Tejas Mk-2 unlike the Su-30 MKI is an Indian design, and is single engine. So unlike the Su-30 MKI which we produced here under license including the engines being built by HAL at Koraput, Odisha, the LCA Mk-2 will be much cheaper to acquire, operate and maintain for the IAF than Su-30 MKI, and HAL won't have to pay royalties to Rosoboronexport/JSC Sukhoi Company of Russia for every Flanker produced here.


Anything less than 400 LCA Mk-2 in the medium term is an insult to the platform, especially since the engines will be made here under license. And no, this is not a large number as many might think, more than 250 fighter aircraft are to be retired by 2035 at any cost (Bisons, Jaguars, Mirages, Fulcrums).

PLAAF alone has 300+ J-20, 600+ J-10, 440+ J-11, 400+ J-16, ~100 Su-30MKK, 24 Su-35, 32 Su-27. And they've started inducting J-35 as well, which they will also induct in hundreds. This is apart from the hundreds of fighter bombers they have. And this is the situation right now, you can imagine the situation around 2035. Also, I didn't even mentioned the shear numbers of their AEW&CS, Aerial Refuellers and Electronic Warfare, ELINT/SIGINT aircrafts etc.

If these numbers aren't scary enough for IAF to commit to at least 400 LCA Mk-2 considering it committed to much more expensive and bigger 284 Su-30 MKI, then nothing else can scare them.

Only saving grace for IAF is it's air defence and gunship fleet pipeline.
 
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On the pak forum they don't want to understand I'm french.

They speak of me as a "Rakesh". What doest it means? They don't want to explain (as an indian....)
Rakesh is quiet common Indian name for those born before 2000s.
meet Rakesh Sharma. our first and only astronaut till few days back ( IAF su30 pilot Shubhanshu shukla rode Axiom mission-4 to ISS).
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400 LCA Mk-2
No amount of LCA will make up for the lack of engine.
They are having hard time procuring engine from murica for what like 16 jets a year. Imagine how much delay we would get for double that number.
The Scientist at DRDO must be given whatever they are demanding for R&D. It's a time consuming process and earlier we start the better it is. 3 billion as quoted by Folks from HAL.

Gormint should not be penny pinching at this moment.
 
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No amount of LCA will make up for the lack of engine.
They are having hard time procuring engine from murica for what luke 16 jets a years. Imagine how much delay we would get for double that number.
The Scientist at DRDO must be given whatever they are demanding for R&D. It's a time consuming process and earlier we start the better it is. 3 billion as quited by Folks from HAL.

Gormint should not be penny pinching at this moment.
LCA Mk-2 and Mk-1/1A are different. IAF geniuses never intended to buy many LCA Mk1/1A due to which they ordered just 40 (that too 20 IOC in 2006, then FOC in 2010), and then realised "Oh shit, we need more, we have limited options", total 11 years after this clownery they ordered 83 Mk-1A expecting GE Aerospace to be running the GE F404 IN-20 (specialised variant meant for LCA Tejas) production line for limited orders even after so many years. GE had shut down it's assembly line due to orders drying up which they now had to reopen while struggling with getting all engineers and suppliers together once again for producing it, many of those suppliers are themselves struggling due to stopping their own lines years ago.

Right now there is a visible pipeline for 170 Mk1A alone, and on top of that hundreds of LCA Mk-2 and AMCA so there won't be engine delays in the long run, especially when we will be producing here under license. What's funny is despite 170 Mk-1A ordered and to be ordered in pipeline, MoD babus have still not thought of making those F404s here as well under license especially when each aircraft needs at least two engines in it's lifecycle, such is their vision. Wonder what they would be doing when only 40 Mk1s would've been in service and needed more engines for replacement in 2030s, ask them to restart line for a few dozen more? :lol:


IAF should rather learn from the Navy which also uses GE's LM2500 marine gas turbines and has standardised it, and it is also made here under license, never seen them crying "Saaaar conspiracy saar no engine saar, they sabotaging our pipeline saaars" over engine supplies from the same company?

Easy to blame HAL, when this circus is IAF's own making, which they are suffering now. Right time to order Mk1As was in 2015 with a commitment for at least 150 jets to be ordered instead of drooling over imported Wunderwaffes (Many vets even confidently bragging how just 36 Rafales would make pakis and chinese shiver in fear :lol:).


This isn't the first time they've done this, they did this with Mirage-2000-V5 procurement in MRFA which they rejected drooling over Rafales and it went out of production, they did this again with C-17s where they needed more but it was too late, production had stopped but Lockheed Martin was generous enough to sell the 11th and final one to the IAF. Want more? IAF ordered just 12 Su-30 MKI additionally last year after the Nashik production line stopped producing the aircrafts after the IAF confidently rejected HAL's offer for 4 squadrons more of Su-30 MKI (72 aircrafts) due to which HAL had to restart the production and suffer all the headache caused by it. Many more such cases I have, which I can't recall.

Won't be surprised if they order more Apaches when the line in USA would be closing in around 2026 or they remember buying more Chinooks when it will go out of production.

As I said earlier, this circus is IAF's own making.
 
Tejas Mk-2 unlike the Su-30 MKI is an Indian design, and is single engine. So unlike the Su-30 MKI which we produced here under license including the engines being built by HAL at Koraput, Odisha, the LCA Mk-2 will be much cheaper to acquire, operate and maintain for the IAF than Su-30 MKI, and HAL won't have to pay royalties to Rosoboronexport/JSC Sukhoi Company of Russia for every Flanker produced here.


Anything less than 400 LCA Mk-2 in the medium term is an insult to the platform, especially since the engines will be made here under license. And no, this is not a large number as many might think, more than 250 fighter aircraft are to be retired by 2035 at any cost (Bisons, Jaguars, Mirages, Fulcrums).

PLAAF alone has 300+ J-20, 600+ J-10, 440+ J-11, 400+ J-16, ~100 Su-30MKK, 24 Su-35, 32 Su-27. And they've started inducting J-35 as well, which they will also induct in hundreds. This is apart from the hundreds of fighter bombers they have. And this is the situation right now, you can imagine the situation around 2035. Also, I didn't even mentioned the shear numbers of their AEW&CS, Aerial Refuellers and Electronic Warfare, ELINT/SIGINT aircrafts etc.

If these numbers aren't scary enough for IAF to commit to at least 400 LCA Mk-2 considering it committed to much more expensive and bigger 284 Su-30 MKI, then nothing else can scare them.

Only saving grace for IAF is it's air defence and gunship fleet pipeline.

As i've said they don't care.

MWF will be give the Tejas treatment only with jalebi shaped ASQRs with unobtainum feature demands, so will AMCA.

No amount of LCA will make up for the lack of engine.
They are having hard time procuring engine from murica for what like 16 jets a year. Imagine how much delay we would get for double that number.
The Scientist at DRDO must be given whatever they are demanding for R&D. It's a time consuming process and earlier we start the better it is. 3 billion as quoted by Folks from HAL.

Gormint should not be penny pinching at this moment.

Ye bhi nahi hoga, even Parrikar wasn't confident over Kaveri engine.
You can forget about Leaderji who's only concerned about winning the next election and ekanami.

IAF should rather learn from the Navy which also uses GE's LM2500 marine gas turbines and has standardised it, and it is also made here under license, never seen them crying "Saaaar conspiracy saar no engine saar, they sabotaging our pipeline saaars" over engine supplies from the same company?

No Import Marsholl has cried either, as if they'd dare to lambast GE or any US company :bplease:

It's only fanboys like myself and not without good reason

Shivalik was the first ship to use LM2500 and the Admirols too had to deal with this bs


That time it was open, this time they are making poor GE do "supply chain isshoo saar, bhery saary phor delay"

I guess they are planning to take IN along with their other two vassal's navies for the Taiwan Bachao Andolan in the future, which is why the Admirals have no problem with supply.

Baaki ka you are 100% right, IAF has dug itself into this hole onlee, nobody else is to blame as much.
 
As i've said they don't care.

MWF will be give the Tejas treatment only with jalebi shaped ASQRs with unobtainum feature demands, so will AMCA.



Ye bhi nahi hoga, even Parrikar wasn't confident over Kaveri engine.
You can forget about Leaderji who's only concerned about winning the next election and ekanami.



No Import Marsholl has cried either, as if they'd dare to lambast GE or any US company :bplease:

It's only fanboys like myself and not without good reason

Shivalik was the first ship to use LM2500 and the Admirols too had to deal with this bs


That time it was open, this time they are making poor GE do "supply chain isshoo saar, bhery saary phor delay"

I guess they are planning to take IN along with their other two vassal's navies for the Taiwan Bachao Andolan in the future, which is why the Admirals have no problem with supply.

Baaki ka you are 100% right, IAF has dug itself into this hole onlee, nobody else is to blame as much.
Which is why those marine gas turbines are now made here, so that no gender fluid burgerican presilund can easily stop it's sales. Importing anything is risky, especially from those who get frequent mood swings. And by the way, this freeze was for all countries. Obama being the aman ki asha libcuck didn't wanted to export engines for foreign warships.
 
No amount of LCA will make up for the lack of engine.
They are having hard time procuring engine from murica for what like 16 jets a year. Imagine how much delay we would get for double that number.
The Scientist at DRDO must be given whatever they are demanding for R&D. It's a time consuming process and earlier we start the better it is. 3 billion as quoted by Folks from HAL.

Gormint should not be penny pinching at this moment.
DRDO chief was saying they are confident on making a modern engine on their own but it will take 15 years or so. That's why they want a foreign partner to reduce it by 5-6 years..Even 5 billion $ won't reduce that time for a 5th gen engine.

Government has to be decisive and give them what they want as fast as they can.
 
Which is why those marine gas turbines are now made here, so that no gender fluid burgerican presilund can easily stop it's sales. Importing anything is risky, especially from those who get frequent mood swings. And by the way, this freeze was for all countries. Obama being the aman ki asha libcuck didn't wanted to export engines for foreign warships.

Only assembly and minor parts fabrication by HAL.
The thing is they are convinced that IN could be useful for a Taiwan bachao Andolan or anything else, P8Is, MH-60Rs are freely sold and delivered.

Besides IN doesn't have much options, GE & RR are the only merchants for MGT, Ruskal is starting out after 2014 and Ukraine is being bombed.

Let's hope we can make the "consumable parts" that need replacement because of wear and tear in-country.

OTOH IAF cannot be allowed to be too strong against PAF, would screw with the ((( balance of power in the region ))).

Anyway the United Snakes will do what it will, the question needs to be asked tho who was insistent on GE F404 then and GE F414 now.

If they wanted planes that badly build one around AL-31FP series.
 
Only assembly and minor parts fabrication by HAL.
The thing is they are convinced that IN could be useful for a Taiwan bachao Andolan or anything else, P8Is, MH-60Rs are freely sold and delivered.

Besides IN doesn't have much options, GE & RR are the only merchants for MGT, Ruskal is starting out after 2014 and Ukraine is being bombed.

Let's hope we can make the "consumable parts" that need replacement because of wear and tear in-country.

OTOH IAF cannot be allowed to be too strong against PAF, would screw with the ((( balance of power in the region ))).

Anyway the United Snakes will do what it will, the question needs to be asked tho who was insistent on GE F404 then and GE F414 now.

If they wanted planes that badly build one around AL-31FP series.
A lot more than that though. Localisation increases with time, you won't achieve high %age indigenisation on the first day. Earlier AL-31F Saturns for our Su-30 MKIs were essentially screwdrivered while the latest batches have majority Indian content by value.

Many Indian engineering firms are being onboarded into the LM2500 marine gas turbine supply chain.
 
A lot more than that though. Localisation increases with time, you won't achieve high %age indigenisation on the first day. Earlier AL-31F Saturns for our Su-30 MKIs were essentially screwdrivered while the latest batches have majority Indian content by value.

Many Indian engineering firms are being onboarded into the LM2500 marine gas turbine supply chain.
Can HAL retrofit GEF414 in Tejas Mk1A if some issue arises wrt to GEF404 engine in the future? Because they will license manufacture it here. Resident engineers how difficult it would be?
 

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