Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (11 Viewers)

[shade2]

Gentlemen army general take as usual. A chunk of our generals always had this delusion of looking at the other side generol's suit boot attire with whiskey drinking habits and thinking he is sem2sem as us. Professional army like us. Though, there have been a section of IA who see through this facade like Major General GD. Bakshi. And they understand behind that suit boot and whiskey is a jehadi snake.

It is that way.

Anyway that's not my point, he's just repeating a PAF fanboi jhumla, that is their Swedish Erieye AWACS *somehow* can guide the Chini PL-15 missiles launched by Chinese JF-17/J-10.
Even that dalla Alan Warne was repeating the same thing.

They are basically saying PAF has an IACCS pro plus max system.

If that was the case why do their runways have craters, Madarsas bombed and hangars bund-blasted with planes inside?

Parveen von Sawhnstein is only on the nose, the rest of these are quite similar but subtle.

 

[redpanda]

It is that way.

Anyway that's not my point, he's just repeating a PAF fanboi jhumla, that is their Swedish Erieye AWACS *somehow* can guide the Chini PL-15 missiles launched by Chinese JF-17/J-10.
Even that dalla Alan Warne was repeating the same thing.

They are basically saying PAF has an IACCS pro plus max system.

If that was the case why do their runways have craters, Madarsas bombed and hangars bund-blasted with planes inside?

Parveen von Sawhnstein is only on the nose, the rest of these are quite similar but subtle.

Well all jumla will one day get exposed just like how the Jumla of ten feet long black jets of PAF crushing IAF was also busted during this operation. Even many here fell for that jumla including myself. I never thought we would do so much bund blasting of Pakistan and PAF would be sitting duck.

 

[randombully]

It is that way.

Anyway that's not my point, he's just repeating a PAF fanboi jhumla, that is their Swedish Erieye AWACS *somehow* can guide the Chini PL-15 missiles launched by Chinese JF-17/J-10.
Even that dalla Alan Warne was repeating the same thing.

They are basically saying PAF has an IACCS pro plus max system.

If that was the case why do their runways have craters, Madarsas bombed and hangars bund-blasted with planes inside?

Parveen von Sawhnstein is only on the nose, the rest of these are quite similar but subtle.

It's less of a guiding the missile using awacs radar to the target being tracked , its more of a guiding the missile to the "general location" of the target being detected using awacs.

In this scenerio, The chances of hitting a fighter jet like target, especially if they have things like rwr, maws etc are quite low, but it can be used to force the enemy to go on defense.

Pakis wasted lots of pl15's in trying to force the iaf to go on defense, and get one or few lucky kills if possible, though by the times iaf went defensive payload was already launched.

 

[shade2]

It's less of a guiding the missile using awacs radar to the target being tracked , its more of a guiding the missile to the "general location" of the target being detected using awacs.

In this scenerio, The chances of hitting a fighter jet like target, especially if they have things like rwr, maws etc are quite low, but it can be used to force the enemy to go on defense.

Pakis wasted lots of pl15's in trying to force the iaf to go on defense, and get one or few lucky kills if possible, though by the times iaf went defensive payload was already launched.

But do they have such a system? Erieye guiding PL-15s?

 

[randombully]

But do they have such a system? Erieye guiding PL-15s?

They are not directly connected/networked.

But, PAF Erieye sends the Data to ground station, ground station converts it to a format usable by Chinese systems and sends the data to Chinese jets, but this causes delays in data transfer of few to dozen seconds.
This means even if direct "tracking" was bring done by erieye awacs, it wouldn't be able to provide fast enough guidance to Chinese missiles.
So it's limited to guiding the Chinese missile to "general location" of the enemy fighter.

 

[shade2]

3 crashes this year, 3 pilots lost. IAF’s Jaguars, long retired everywhere else, back in spotlight

Running on cannibalised spares and plagued by engine issues, the Jaguar continues to plug critical gaps in the Indian Air Force's stretched squadron strength.

theprint.in

Good summary of the Jaguar situation.

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/ShiroBarks/status/1943313024816734605

Per these defense bros, the drone contract is still IDDM.

Meaning the drone has to be Indian designed

BABOOS ROCKED, DALALS SHOCKED

 

[liberalredditor]

@randombully can we acquire su34 as a stopgap for ghatak, bc har program ko stopgap chahiye. but this was discussed in sf too, su34 is also a bomber ie ground strike, even better than jaguar at the role. it has commonality with su30, spares should not be an issue.

although we shouldnt import anymore, rather wait for 2030 and start mass producing mk2 and retire the jags first, then mig29 then mirage 2000

 

[Miss Firing]

IAF needs a transformation. Bring in 5G fighters, fast-track Tejas Mk2, upgrade AMCA to 6G

India’s fighter aircraft strength will be down to 31 squadrons by the end of the year, down from 42. It will further reduce when Mirage 2000, MiG-29, and Jaguar squadrons are phased out.

theprint.in

Dalali
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India will have to give serious thought to bridging the current gap in quantity and quality by importing or license-manufacturing at least 6-7 squadrons of 4.5/5G fighters. It will also have to upgrade the AMCA to a sixth-generation fighter with an indigenous aero engine. There is also a case for terminating the Tejas Mk1A project, after the first order of 83 aircraft is completed, and commencing the manufacturing of Tejas Mk2 at the earliest. The IAF cannot afford to be outranged by the adversary’s air-to-air missiles.

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Cross Border Punjabi Brotherhood
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The PAF certainly stole a march on the IAF in multi-domain operations. It has integrated all elements of air power with satellite data links, enabling synergised operations using multiple detection and weapon platforms. Air-to-air, air defence, and surface-to-surface missiles may be employed by detection of the target by one platform, being fired from another, and guided by yet another.
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Some of our ex afsars like to "hand over" victories to an adversary whose state policy is terrorism against India. Beats me.

There is no such thing as being "gentlemanly" with these terrorists.

Meanwhile terrorist Pakistanis are gobbling up these "gentlemanly" praises & furthering their propaganda.

The Pakistani multi dimensional inter galactic rouhani technology did not prevent holes from appearing in their hangars & runways.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

There is no way we are getting even close to 40 plus squadrons at this rate.

We will be lucky to maintain 30 at the rate we are going.

It's simply not happening without a massive purchase.

Do the maths yourself.

A handful of Tejas a year, no AMCA before 2035(very optimistic), imminent retirements of Jags and Mirages.

Fuck 5th gen, simply maintaining numbers is going to be a herculean task.

Our great rulers are basically responsible for this shitshow.

Invest billions in freebies, subsidies, handouts, building houses for slum dwellers for votes while our defense goes to shit.

 

[shade2]

There is no way we are getting even close to 40 plus squadrons at this rate.

We will be lucky to maintain 30 at the rate we are going.

It's simply not happening without a massive purchase.

Do the maths yourself.

A handful of Tejas a year, no AMCA before 2035(very optimistic), imminent retirements of Jags and Mirages.

Fuck 5th gen, simply maintaining numbers is going to be a herculean task.

Our great rulers are basically responsible for this shitshow.

Invest billions in freebies, subsidies, handouts, building houses for slum dwellers for votes while our defense goes to shit.

Really hope like the one guy was saying a page back the solution to this is not emergency procurement of F16V or some shit.

I do not trust Leaderji, he will do anything to appease Mai Phrend Dolund and seal some Trade Deal.

It's another thing whichever Demoncrat or Republicuck replaces Dolund will initiate a ((( Presidential Review ))) of all pending orders and the trade deal itself.

 

[Hari Sud]

Urgent need of UAV has been given by IAF. It is a higher priority than the acquiring the fighter jets to make up for 42 squadron. The operation Sindoor proved it.

Both MALE and HALE are needed. There are not too many places HALE can be bought with ease without preconditions. But MALE can be made in India with a few components imported.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

Really hope like the one guy was saying a page back the solution to this is not emergency procurement of F16V or some shit.

I do not trust Leaderji, he will do anything to appease Mai Phrend Dolund and seal some Trade Deal.

It's another thing whichever Demoncrat or Republicuck replaces Dolund will initiate a ((( Presidential Review ))) of all pending orders and the trade deal itself.

If we are that frickin dumb, then Lord Shiva help us.

The only logical purchase right now is Rafale, for various reasons. We need a 100 plus of those.

I am a big fan of the Su 57, especially the liberal package they are offering, but I doubt our Americunt pleaser government will risk the wrath of unkle Dolund and his acolytes.

Already the cunts are preparing to introduce legislation to apply massive punitive duties on any country buying Russian energy, which has bipartisan support.

The worst thing to do would be to buy American hardware and basically lose our sovereignty and ability to take decisions benefitting our own strategic objectives vis a vis Pakistan.

 

[liberalredditor]

There is no way we are getting even close to 40 plus squadrons at this rate.

We will be lucky to maintain 30 at the rate we are going.

It's simply not happening without a massive purchase.

Do the maths yourself.

A handful of Tejas a year, no AMCA before 2035(very optimistic), imminent retirements of Jags and Mirages.

Fuck 5th gen, simply maintaining numbers is going to be a herculean task.

Our great rulers are basically responsible for this shitshow.

Invest billions in freebies, subsidies, handouts, building houses for slum dwellers for votes while our defense goes to shit.

then simply give mass produce, like 50 tejas mk2 a year, and produce it for a decade, boom you have 500 amca level tejas mk2. then mass produce, like 400-500 amca mk1&2, and somehow get iaf in tedbf, give navy 150, and give iaf 150. squadron strength maintained with 0 khichdi and uniform spares and logistics. then convert current antiques to omca

but this logic is absent in MoD and iaf Baboonz

 

[Noob_Saibot]

then simply give mass produce, like 50 tejas mk2 a year, and produce it for a decade, boom you have 500 amca level tejas mk2. then mass produce, like 400-500 amca mk1&2, and somehow get iaf in tedbf, give navy 150, and give iaf 150. squadron strength maintained with 0 khichdi and uniform spares and logistics. then convert current antiques to omca

but this logic is absent in MoD and iaf Baboonz

Kaun karega bhai mass produce? Engine tech hai nahi, manufacturing capacity bhi hai nahi, nahi private sector ko koi interest hai.

The useless twats governing this country should have thought about building capacity two decades ago.

Vision, clarity, strategic objectives, structure, transformative planning, transition... These words are fucking farsi to to our government.

Ab lode lagenge with China outnumbering us 3:1 in terms of aircraft and the capability to manufacture hundreds by the year, not to mention the 5th gen advantage.

We stupidly pulled out of the PakFa programme by throwing a hissy fit, having invested peanuts compared to the Ruskis. We could've worked with them, invested more and got to an agreement of some sort. We would be flying 5th gen now and no sanctions could've stopped us as it would be a joint project.

Nope, we did fuck all for a decade, bought a measly 36 Rafale without full functionality and called it a day.

And as a consequence, we are flying fucking Jags in 2025(no disrespect to Jags, they were quite capable) while the Brits have retired newer Aircraft like the Panavia Tornado (would have done a job for us).

And during the shitshow that has been the last two decades, we also turned down the offer to acquire strategic bombers, one of the best modern era interceptors in the Mig 31 and many more foregone opportunities.

Caste census karwayenge yeh haraam khor to crack the vote bank math, spending millions, while defence procurement laguishes in the background.

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/ShiroBarks/status/1943313024816734605

Per these defense bros, the drone contract is still IDDM.

Meaning the drone has to be Indian designed

BABOOS ROCKED, DALALS SHOCKED

I don't think so. Which Indian made drone matches those specifications, and who exactly will be manufacturing an Indian designed MALE drone apart from the monopoly? I rather believe these media retards just fabricate news out of their backside occasionally for content even if military officially hasn't spoken about the requirements themselves.

 

[randombully]

@randombully can we acquire su34 as a stopgap for ghatak, bc har program ko stopgap chahiye. but this was discussed in sf too, su34 is also a bomber ie ground strike, even better than jaguar at the role. it has commonality with su30, spares should not be an issue.

although we shouldnt import anymore, rather wait for 2030 and start mass producing mk2 and retire the jags first, then mig29 then mirage 2000

Aye?


Ghatak's main point is its "stealth".
As a bomber it's medicore with just 1.5 ton iwb payload, amca iwb payload will also be 1.5 tons.
Cats warrior has 0.65 ton iwb payload, bigger cats warrior will have 1ton iwb payload.


Su34 is not in same category as ghatak at all.
Are you asking about importing s70 Okhotnik-B as a stop Gap till ghatak?

 

[Noob_Saibot]

Btw for the more knowledgeable members, i have a quick question.

DO we have an operational need for close air support aircraft? Which fighters/attack aircraft has played that role for us(if ever).

If yes, why don't we have something like a Warthog or Frogfoot in our inventory.

Has the CAS role been made redundant in modern era warfare?

 

[randombully]

Btw for the more knowledgeable members, i have a quick question.

DO we have an operational need for close air support aircraft? Which fighters/attack aircraft has played that role for us(if ever).

If yes, why don't we have something like a Warthog or Frogfoot in our inventory.

Has the CAS role been made redundant in modern era warfare?

Yes, that's why were buying prachand, and bought Rudra, apache.

As for fixed winged platforms.
While not as effective as dedicated CAS jets like A10, su25, but Multirole fighter platforms can do Cas role too, all our fighter jets have internal cannon.
F35 was also supposed to replace a-10 for US,along with replacing f16,f18,harrier, though it didn't turned Out as planned due to how complicated f35 is, along with it's high operational cost and high maintenance need, but 4th airframe don't have those problem(with exceptions).
And these planes are considered "sufficient" enough for cases of close air support where airspace would be considered safe enough for fighter jet to provide CAS.
So airforces generally don't consider it to be worth it to procure dedicated CAS aircraft that will be limited to that role only, especially in modern times.
US airforce itself has tried many times to retire a10 deeming it's role to be not survivable in modern battlefield except in rare instances, though congress blocked it.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

@randombully can we acquire su34 as a stopgap for ghatak, bc har program ko stopgap chahiye. but this was discussed in sf too, su34 is also a bomber ie ground strike, even better than jaguar at the role. it has commonality with su30, spares should not be an issue.

although we shouldnt import anymore, rather wait for 2030 and start mass producing mk2 and retire the jags first, then mig29 then mirage 2000

SU34, SU35 have similar payload capacity to our SU 30 MKI. SU34 optimized for Air to Ground ops and SU35 is an further optimized Air dominance fighter. We need to upgrade SU 30 MKI with new Radars, new EW suite and Targeting pods.

We only have A. We need to have an CATS Hunter cruise missile. NG and Nirbhay Subsonic CM Air version.