Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[OutForVendetta]

Bhaiyo, regarding the Su-30 MKI upgrade package. The 80 something upgrade plan is just the initial batch right ? More Su-30's will get upgraded right ? Any data on how much the air force WANTS to upgrade and how much the MoD is GOING TO UPGRADE of the 270 odd total ?

 

[shade2]

I was reading some thread on the anglo plebbit about storm shadow missile


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Plebbitor says this mizzile uses US components and targeting data

The sold us this same missile under the name SCALP along with the Rafale.

Can the Burgers cock-block us similarly from using SCALP against the Packies or have the French added some baguette magics to the SCALP that makes it Americunt-mukt?

 

[mist_consecutive]

I was reading some thread on the anglo plebbit about storm shadow missile


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Plebbitor says this mizzile uses US components and targeting data

The sold us this same missile under the name SCALP along with the Rafale.

Can the Burgers cock-block us similarly from using SCALP against the Packies or have the French added some baguette magics to the SCALP that makes it Americunt-mukt?

USA doesn't really care, understand this.

We used Paveway-2 on Kargil heights acquired directly from US.
We used M982 Excaliber regularly during LoC skirmishses directly acquired from US.
We will use Apache, P8I, SH-60 Seahawk and all their included components against Pakistan if the need arises in the future.

Pakistan will also do the same.

US will just watch with XXL-sized popcorn and a pen to sign follow-up orders from both countries.

 

[Ayan Barat]

us

I'd suggest you starts reading things if you're really into aerospace and defence. Broaden your horizons beyond Twitter and Reddit. Try to find "boring stuffs". Always remember this, the more boring somthing is the more useful it would be for you.

A pdf made by badly scanning some old papers submitted by USAF to US Congress in 1978 may not have the masala you'd find in a Twitter account but trust me, it's the only thing that'll actually help you in the long run. It may feel very scientific seeing your favourite YouTuber shoot various objects with different caliber bullets, but if you really want to know about guns then you'll have to go through the recoil impulse, yield strength and heat treatment of metals.

 

[shade2]

USA doesn't really care, understand this.

We used Paveway-2 on Kargil heights acquired directly from US.
We used M982 Excaliber regularly during LoC skirmishses directly acquired from US.
We will use Apache, P8I, SH-60 Seahawk and all their included components against Pakistan if the need arises in the future.

Pakistan will also do the same.

US will just watch with XXL-sized popcorn and a pen to sign follow-up orders from both countries.

I'm not talking about historical precedent

I'm just asking does the SCALP that we have contain the same US components and dependence on targeting data or have the French replaced it with their own equivalent.

Your "popcorn and follow up orders" scenario depends on a random chimpout of India-Packie which won't happen today after their previous flops and the Kargil flop, and ofc our dhandho cowards have a "no first strike policy" even aside from nukes.

So the only scenario where Pakeez alone attack us is with US phool sapport.

The other scenario is less likely with current realities where they tag team with the Chinese to attack us, in that case it will play our like your popcorn scenario

You can expect a similar US metric to apply between a Greece-Toorki war, both GAYTO allies, both US vassals, however with Erdogan in power there is it obvious who's F-16s will continue to receive spares and missiles/bombs between the two

 

[samsaptaka]

I'd suggest you starts reading things if you're really into aerospace and defence. Broaden your horizons beyond Twitter and Reddit. Try to find "boring stuffs". Always remember this, the more boring somthing is the more useful it would be for you.

A pdf made by badly scanning some old papers submitted by USAF to US Congress in 1978 may not have the masala you'd find in a Twitter account but trust me, it's the only thing that'll actually help you in the long run. It may feel very scientific seeing your favourite YouTuber shoot various objects with different caliber bullets, but if you really want to know about guns then you'll have to go through the recoil impulse, yield strength and heat treatment of metals.

Nailed it Bruh ! Fundamentals is not found in 10min Utoob vids nor in Insta noodels now is it ?
Got to put in the hard work and even (gasp) read books - you know that thing with binding and paper in between made from (gasp again) cutting down trees !

 

[Ayan Barat]

we have contain the same US components

The linear actuator used in missile related stuffs comes from Thomson...USA
Most of the avionics used in everything from missiles to fighters come from Honeywell...USA
Servo driver comes from a firm in...Switzerland (even more unreliable than USA during a war)
The computers used in even missile launchers come form Curtiss-Wright...USA
FPGA, the brain of any weapon come from various companies in...USA
Most of the I/O cards come from Acromag...USA

I can go on for as long as you want me to

And for dependence on USA for targetting data, you tell me. Does Ukraine have a navigation satellite system similar to GPS? Does Ukraine have a HALE UAV? Does Ukraine have high resolution multi spectral imaging spy satellites?
Does we have all of these?
Now based on these answers, you decide who would be dependent on USA for targetting data
Use some common sense Bro

 

[Ayan Barat]

cutting down trees

Spoiler: Bruh! Save trees, they're cute

 

[shade2]

The linear actuator used in missile related stuffs comes from Thomson...USA
Most of the avionics used in everything from missiles to fighters come from Honeywell...USA
Servo driver comes from a firm in...Switzerland (even more unreliable than USA during a war)
The computers used in even missile launchers come form Curtiss-Wright...USA
FPGA, the brain of any weapon come from various companies in...USA
Most of the I/O cards come from Acromag...USA

I can go on for as long as you want me to

And for dependence on USA for targetting data, you tell me. Does Ukraine have a navigation satellite system similar to GPS? Does Ukraine have a HALE UAV? Does Ukraine have high resolution multi spectral imagining spy satellites?
Does we have all of these?
Now based on these answers, you decide who would be dependent on USA for targetting data
Use some common sense Bro

Thanks for the answer.

foreign dependence will fuck us and unlike the Chings we don't have the budget, industrial espionage/reserve engineering setup, govt will or time to get the whole supply chain in-house



I also used to assume the French just roll their own stuff for every little thing

 

[ezsasa]

Thanks for the answer.

foreign dependence will fuck us and unlike the Chings we don't have the budget, industrial espionage/reserve engineering setup, govt will or time to get the whole supply chain in-house



I also used to assume the French just roll their own stuff for every little thing

it's not like U.S is immune to foreign dependencies for their military goods.

https://media.defense.gov/2022/Feb/...T-SECURING-DEFENSE-CRITICAL-SUPPLY-CHAINS.PDF

US Army, Navy reduce dependence on China for ‘critical technology’

But the Air Force and other Pentagon agencies are using even more Chinese suppliers, a report finds.

www.defenseone.com

 

[AbRaj]

Hope We are not beginning to sound like Pakis when they were got Mirage Rose aircrafts

Yeah. I too was thinking about my own “Futuristic options” like buying Dakotas and Hunters from museums and equipping them with Fly by light, quantum radars, plasma stealth, laser weapons and what not.
Will be a kickass system to look far. Like those Robo-Rickshaws we see in Future /Kangludesh concepts.
Its most logical thing to do. I mean buying a used iPhone4s just because your wife has its adapter, charging cable and protective cover, and that that too at a price of an iPhone 14.

 

[shade2]

it's not like U.S is immune to foreign dependencies for their military goods.

https://media.defense.gov/2022/Feb/...T-SECURING-DEFENSE-CRITICAL-SUPPLY-CHAINS.PDF

US Army, Navy reduce dependence on China for ‘critical technology’

But the Air Force and other Pentagon agencies are using even more Chinese suppliers, a report finds.

www.defenseone.com

Yes but they have the option of bugging out altogether out of the fight with China.
Literally all they have to do is stand there while Xi grabs Taiwan.

Our situation will be exactly like Ukraine OTOH, can't change geography

 

[daya]

Whatsoever discussions are made here, I wish if only 10 percent could be implemented...

 

[ezsasa]

Yes but they have the option of bugging out altogether out of the fight with China.
Literally all they have to do is stand there while Xi grabs Taiwan.

Our situation will be exactly like Ukraine OTOH, can't change geography

there won't be a case where 100% of complex tech will be manufactured within one country, the direction the things are going now is concept of "trusted partners" among nations.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ive-on-critical-and-emerging-technology-icet/

one might say, this too does not solve the original problem of dependencies. that's true. it is what it is.
the situation is even more pronounced in air force related tech.

so we have an old issue in a new bottle, which will take decades to resolve.

 

[shade2]

there won't be a case where 100% of complex tech will be manufactured within one country, the direction the things are going now is concept of "trusted partners" among nations.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ive-on-critical-and-emerging-technology-icet/

one might say, this too does not solve the original problem of dependencies. that's true. it is what it is.
the situation is even more pronounced in air force related tech.

so we have an old issue in a new bottle, which will take decades to resolve.

In terms of military tech, there does seem to be one country




But then they've invested a lot to get here in a ~30 year span after the Tiananmen Square massacre embargoes

 

[ezsasa]

In terms of military tech, there does seem to be one country

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But then they've invested a lot to get here in a ~30 year span after the Tiananmen Square massacre embargoes

could be, but we don't know for sure since there is no transparency from within china.

 

[BON PLAN]

Once India has committed, in reality the OEM concerned can limit ToT to what it wants

Not really.
In such a deal there is a contract, and probably a GtoG contract.
If one party don't respect the contrat, it goes to court.

Remember the fine to Dassault (or MBDA ? ) because they were a little bit late in offests. And we were speaking of only 36 birds off the shelf.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Incredible amount of dhoti shivering on this thread.


Testosterone depletion epidemic is real. This thread is cesspool of negativity. People are cooking up nth - number of imaginary scenarios where we are getting fucked in multiple ways and increasing their BP.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Incredible amount of dhoti shivering on this thread.


Testosterone depletion epidemic is real. This thread is cesspool of negativity. People are cooking up nth - number of imaginary scenarios where we are getting fucked in multiple ways and increasing their BP.

i agree. too much dhoti shivering. After all, Tom Cruise proved to us that its the pilot, not the plane and with the right pilot a Superhornet will fuckup 3 F-22s.
So we should relax and clone abhinandan and let our 100 Mig-21s take out the entire Chicom fleet.

 

[randombully]

Incredible amount of dhoti shivering on this thread.


Testosterone depletion epidemic is real. This thread is cesspool of negativity. People are cooking up nth - number of imaginary scenarios where we are getting fucked in multiple ways and increasing their BP.

Our airforce as of now is fucked.
It's not dhoti shivering, it's the truth.
By 2030's chinks will have 600+ j20's in service, and it's moderate assumption.
That's almost the same of of our entire fighter strength.
Chinks will have 5th gen jets in the similar no. As our entire airforce fighter strength and guess by 2030 majority of our fighters will still be 4 or 4+ gen at most, only mk1a and super sukhoi will be 4.5 gen.