Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

iaf chief : "we need to do something"

narrator: "nothing was done"


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1.) If those flights took off from Hotan , they're targeting Ladakh & J&K . Hotan itself is vulnerable to the IAF. Look at the dispersed bases not just in that region in question but also surrounding regions as far as the IAF is concerned.

2.) Immaterial. Paxtan is not going to base PLAAF nor will they be part of this . If they do they'd be nuked . What's more they know it !

3.) That's where we'd be basing the Rafale M along with the MKI.

It's going to be a roughly even contest . It's not going to be a one sided affair your civilian defence enthusiasts think it'd be.

what about mid air refuelling .
 
tibet itself , take off with full load less fuel, refuel in mid air , or take off from low altitude from outside tibet - refuel in mid air.
Yes I posted about it in one of my replies there. Was under the impression you're talking about refuelling from over Hotan. That's what PLAAF is practising over Tibet including flying from Yunnan over Myanmar and / or over BD into the NE & Eastern India & over Thailand / Myanmar into A&N.
 

How will a possible merger look like at this point? Isn't the preliminary design of AMCA already done? If so no major changes can be made to it's design. If TEDBF indeed evolves into N-AMCA, that would make the 2nd Vikrant class AC obsolete and we will leapfrog to nuclear powered 65K tonnes AC by 2040s. If that's the case, 26 Rafale-M sounds too low in to compensate for the old mig-29k airframes.
 
Hello guys. I propose to you a french made vidéo, with english subtitles, about the story of Rafale in India. Nothing that you may don't know but I would like to have your opinion.
This video was published just before your air chief marshal came to talk about R&D, LCA and all.
And just to be clear, I love India, and can't wait to visit it again.



View: https://youtu.be/_LqIaKSvaYY?si=lPGr0pW0ZvW68NIZ
 
Hello guys. I propose to you a french made vidéo, with english subtitles, about the story of Rafale in India. Nothing that you may don't know but I would like to have your opinion.
This video was published just before your air chief marshal came to talk about R&D, LCA and all.
And just to be clear, I love India, and can't wait to visit it again.



View: https://youtu.be/_LqIaKSvaYY?si=lPGr0pW0ZvW68NIZ

Shit. It is the wrong topic. I thought to post it in Rafale topic instead of here. But anyway. If a moderator wants to move it, go for it. It talks also about IAF at the end (but not only)
 
Shit. It is the wrong topic. I thought to post it in Rafale topic instead of here. But anyway. If a moderator wants to move it, go for it. It talks also about IAF at the end (but not only)

Its ok. Make another post in the Rafale thread. Some posters do the same post in multiple threads. This post is appropriate for this thread anyway.
 
Emphasising the need for production agencies to adopt advanced manufacturing processes, Air Chief Marshal AP Singh highlighted the importance of involving private players. "I am very convinced that we need to get some private players in. We need to have competition. We need to have multiple sources available so that people are wary of losing their orders," he reportedly stated, adding, "Otherwise, things will not change."


I agree with the Air Chief Marshall. Any chance of India getting its head out of the state-owned sand and turning onto the road to success in the domain of designing and building fighter aircraft?

If India carries on with its current approach, it risks never becoming a reliable supplier to its own air force force, let alone a major supplier of fighters to other countries.
 
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I agree with the Air Chief Marshall. Any chance of India getting its head out of the state-owned sand and turning onto the road to success in the domain of designing and building fighter aircraft?

If India carries on with its current approach, it risks never becoming a reliable supplier to its own air force force, let alone a major supplier of fighters to other countries.
If I understood well the AFM, his proposal his far from stupid.

HAL is a 80years old company which wasn't able to design jets (and not only fighter jet). 80 years old ! How is that possible ?

Creating a private sector by starting with technological transfers its a possible way of exit. Maybe with ToT, India will not aquire the ability to design jets, but it can start by developping a very good, strong and reliable aerospace industry. I mean... You send rocket to space and you are able to build such as complex things as submarines !
In France, after the WW2, we had a big gap to fill to try to develop warplanes while Germans, US and British has a huge advance in that area. So, our policy was to develop a LOT of different projects which was only prototypes, and learn. There was more than one prototype a year up to the 1970s.

I don't think HAL will be able to develop AMCA and/or TEDBF on time and on budget, or even produce them efficiently.

Its not because its a public company. Its just an issue of culture. There are a lot of public company that works just well (Naval Group in France for example). You really need to start from scratch.
Even in China, which restart from scratch 50 years ago, they were able to develop and catch up west.

HAL are only good for making promises. Not everything will be fixed with a parallel private sector, but it will be a beginning.

I have some hope that India and France works closely. Even to develop new programs. I personally prefer that we works with India instead of Germany But I have some doubts with your way to manage time and politics decisions. (and I have doubts for us too now...)
 
I have some hope that India and France works closely. Even to develop new programs. I personally prefer that we works with India instead of Germany But I have some doubts with your way to manage time and politics decisions. (and I have doubts for us too now...)

As long as the French don't try to scalp the Indians, it can work. Otherwise forget about it.
 
As long as the French don't try to scalp the Indians, it can work. Otherwise forget about it.
How to scalp you ? What do you have to loose ? The most common opinion in France is we should not share our technologies (its not my opinion)
 
How to scalp you ? What do you have to loose ? The most common opinion in France is we should not share our technologies (its not my opinion)

We'd rather you not share yours so we can fully concentrate on our own indigenous efforts and not waste anymore time. This way it forces our IAF brass to stop chasing after mirages and start settling down to brasstacks and focus on indigenous development.
 
We'd rather you not share yours so we can fully concentrate on our own indigenous efforts and not waste anymore time. This way it forces our IAF brass to stop chasing after mirages and start settling down to brasstacks and focus on indigenous development.
Be serious. Event if you increase your R&D efforts it will takes you decades to develop your own technologies. What your air force will do in the meantime, while receiving maybe 10 Tejas a year ? What your air chief Marshall said is sad, really sad and hard to hear, but honestly, so true...
 
Be serious. Event if you increase your R&D efforts it will takes you decades to develop your own technologies. What your air force will do in the meantime, while receiving maybe 10 Tejas a year ? What your air chief Marshall said is sad, really sad and hard to hear, but honestly, so true...

No he wasn't telling the whole picture. Go through the threads and you will see the fuller picture. The only reason why the LCAs were late because the IAF brass gave the program the bastard child treatment. They wanted nothing to do with it and only wanted imports. Manohar Parrikar (May Vishnu bless his soul) had to step in and kick asses at IAF brass to get the program moving. The funds for the LCA planes were only released back around 2016 or so.
 
No he wasn't telling the whole picture. Go through the threads and you will see the fuller picture. The only reason why the LCAs were late because the IAF brass gave the program the bastard child treatment. They wanted nothing to do with it and only wanted imports. Manohar Parrikar (May Vishnu bless his soul) had to step in and kick asses at IAF brass to get the program moving. The funds for the LCA planes were only released back around 2016 or so.
Ok so if you want to believe that hal is able to develop futur programms on Time and with the current expectations, it is your privilege, I will not argues with you on that. It seems that you found what the issue is and it is your opinion.
But a company which wasn't able to develop a fighter (whatever the reason why)... How in even it is possible to develop another one ? Do your industry have this experience? No. They don't.
HAL is your main and only one industry with this ability and they don't have a good experience.
Since order and money has been given to HAL, how do you explain there are not able to provide products in volume ? How to explain issues with SU30 production? Issue with part production with Boeing, and Mirage 2000 crashes for which the technical fault has been identified on HAL side? Fifth aircraft modernized on 2000ti standard, first one under full responsibility of HAL.

Sometimes, getting some help in a win/win situation is not so bad...
 

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