Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[randombully]

There's no fixed parameters for 5th Gen but some broadly agreed upon features . If the same is applied to 6th Gen , all aspect stealth will be at the top of that list . This isn't my view , this is the stated position of all those commentators who've more experience of it than you or me combined.

Which commentators?
Any links?
Posts?
Because all the experienced commentators I saw are saying.
" mumt"
"DEW"
" system of systems"
" unmanned AI driven jets"
" ACE"
Some "experienced" commentators believe all these upgrades are applicable In 5th gen to and 5th gen can be upgraded to 6th gen( same airframe)
While other critique by saying power generation and Architecture that is not designed to act as a completely integrated part of a larger system made up of many other planss can be limits that will 5th gen from "completely" upgrading into 6th gen (nothing about lack of all aspects stealth)
Go and tell those experienced commentators about 5th gen not having all aspect stealth but being front focused, they will laugh at your retarded ass.

 

[randombully]

I've also mentioned - since when is the GoI known to take the wisest & best course of action ? Did you miss it ? People who've been seeing the performance of GoI , MoD , HAL , ADA , DRDO , IAF etc for years at end won't be surprised by much that happens , inured as they are to these shenanigans.

Once again not surprised you're surprised by this news. How old did you say you were again ?

My comment was opposition again throwing allegations of corruption if direct g2g happened.
Not about what action goi takes.

 

[randombully]

If I were you I'd think twice before getting abusive. I don't abuse people with whom I've a difference of opinion . You've frequently brought in abusive language . I tried hinting you to stop it. I've been more than lenient with you given your age. You try that once more you'd get the treatment you're craving.

your stupidity and overconfidence causes you put out these "balantly false" statements without any knowledge.
Like it works in political discussion, ideological, geopolitical
But not in factual ones like capabilities of jets and systems.

Not abusive it's the truth.
unlike the lie about antennas In EODAS, I still crack at that.

 

[randombully]

Dafuq happened to awacs tho, they changed body type and no news since then.

in July 2024 RFI for 6 awacs was released, no news since then.

 

[randombully]

Rafale scam is dead issue, they forgot it the moment after 2019 ls elections.

Opposition can will use any thing they can to throw mud ar government.

View: https://x.com/INCIndia/status/1890711007946822134
Just because trump showed interest in offering f35.
Congress it cell guy of congress already made the post, tho post didn't get much traction.

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

Opposition can will use any thing they can to throw mud ar government.

View: https://x.com/INCIndia/status/1890711007946822134
Just because trump showed interest in offering f35.
Congress it cell guy of congress already made the post, tho post didn't get much traction.

It seems those who paid Pappu & toolkit gang to bark SCAM during Rafale are Europeans. Most likely British and German ones.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Opposition can will use any thing they can to throw mud ar government.

View: https://x.com/INCIndia/status/1890711007946822134
Just because trump showed interest in offering f35.
Congress it cell guy of congress already made the post, tho post didn't get much traction.

bro, ur giving too much attention. khangressis try these stunts every few month. with new controverst each time. ask 100 people in your area, and see how many people give a nanogram of fuck about F-35. don't get paranoid from these shit.

 

[Azaad]

Who the fuck gives a shit when you asked the due process.
My comment was in reply to a guy who was suggesting, add 70+ more rafales( G2G deal)for airforce with 24 navy is buying.

Falling squadrons means "direct buying" from France without due process?
None of your arguments address the issue of corruption talks by opposition "direct buying" of 74 rafales along with 24 for navy.

This is what you wrote addressing me . Now you bring in "reply to a guy". That's called weaseling it out.

If you're addressing "that guy" quote him or tag him. And what's with peppering your sentences with abuses every now & then . Were you raised like this ? Do you actually require such instructions on internet etiquette ?

If you continue I will react like this - par teri behen ko chodu where did I make this statement ? Please quote me where exactly I did make that statement .

 

[randombully]

This is what you wrote addressing me . Now you bring in "reply to a guy". That's called weaseling it out.

If you're addressing "that guy" quote him or tag him. And what's with peppering your sentences with abuses every now & then . Were you raised like this ? Do you actually require such instructions on internet etiquette ?

If you continue I will react like this - par teri behen ko chodu where did I make this statement ? Please quote me where exactly I did make that statement .

This is what you wrote addressing me . Now you bring in "reply to a guy". That's called weaseling it out.

You replied to my reply proposed addressing g2g deal by citing risk of opposition alleging scam.
What do you think I'm gonna assume?
Also 36 rafale was "g2g" deal when allegations of scam came.
And you here giving reasons why allegations will not come,
And you aspect me to think you are giving reason for allegation not to come in "mrfa competition"?

 

[randombully]

If you're addressing "that guy" quote him or tag him.

I literally "replied" to him.
Well here's the quote.

All govt has to do is order 72 more rafales club them with Navy's 26 to that's 98 jets. Enough for rafale production line in India.

IAF is clear it wants rafale and it wants them away from hal.

 

[Azaad]

They reduce rcs all around.
Why did you think, engines are hidden behind vertical and horizontal tail, instead of extending beyond tail like in su30 and f15.

The Su-57 engines are visible . Neither is the AL-41 been designed for stealth nor do they have serrated edges in the slot containing the engine mounting or do they have serpentine intakes . They've now come up with serrated edges for the Stage 2 Su-57 powered by the AL-51 which are claimed to be 5th Gen TFs.

Why did you think 5th gen aircrafts have serrated panels all around?

Well , show them to me on the Stage 1 Su-57 .

Manufactures never claimed their fighters to be "front stealth focus" too.

LM does. The Chinese never release any data on their FAs. Neither does Russia , though their design philosophy is different when designing 5th Gen FA.

I don't need to go into other elements.
Just go see the pics if these jets and you will find at every place there are attempts to not make any 90° angles.
Every surface covered in ram.
Every antenna no matter where it place is conformal inside the jet, no sticking about antenna.
Just because front of the aircraft is the most stealthy out of all, doesn't mean other areas are not stealth optimised.

The very fact that they've vertical stabilizers means it's not all aspect stealth. Plus the J-20 has canards. Yes all the OEMs have made their attempts to render their products stealthy but there have been trade offs given mission objectives.

This could also be a case of iterative improvements where an aspect having been introduced is fully realised in successive iterations.

In future 6th, 7th blah blah gen, back where engine is will be still be least stealthy related to front of jet, the sides will be on par with front, the bottom and top will be relatively less stealthy compared to front.
But entire jet will be stealthy.

That's what the 6th Gen FA China's just introduced seems to have done. Early days yet . We don't know how their FAs will evolve or whether these designs will feature as it is with refinements in their final avatar. We'd have to wait & watch. Speaking of which NGAD is also without a vertical stabilizer or at least those are the reports in the media.

 

[randombully]

The Su-57 engines are visible . Neither is the AL-41 been designed for stealth nor do they have serrated edges in the slot containing the engine mounting or do they have serpentine intakes . They've now come up with serrated edges for the Stage 2 Su-57 powered by the AL-51 which are claimed to be 5th Gen TFs

Su 57 is not a good example of 5th gen
F35 is , f22(stealth wise) is.

As I said before "it's barely" a stealth jet
And no it's engines are not exposed too.
Exposed engine ones are "prototype"
And you can also see how it's engines are hidden by vertical and horixontal tail.

 

[randombully]

Well , show them to me on the Stage 1 Su-57 .

Same as previous reply .
And why do also bring the "worst stealth"( still a stealth jet) jet as an example.
Pretty sure I mentioned "5th gen", not "su57".
And as you can see in the pic of production varient i sent the alf41 engine in it does have serratednozzels.

 

[Azaad]

Not as good as Pentagon, but I can still brief it's general capabilities to your ignorant ass with all the available public data I have.I still have offer to tell you the advantages it's hybrid fly by optics and fly by wire.There's no comparison of it with your stupid and false info.Just because your brain finds it hard to accept just how much public info is available and how of its capabilities can be roughly guessed.

I don't need your briefings . Neither am interested in random RCS readings by amateurs. There are plenty of those idle online who make such readings & others who'd come up with opposite readings & possibly 100x people interested in these details. They aren't credible sources to quote in a debate. They're good to read & file it in the back of your head.


Thank you very much. There are better sources I can get it from gandu ka baccha. Besides why would you offer to brief me when I clearly mentioned that prospective customers get a classified briefing from LM once they've been cleared by Pentagon. There are also levels to these classified briefings . Oh and I forgot to mention these have to be cleared by the Congress.

 

[randombully]

The very fact that they've vertical stabilizers means it's not all aspect stealth. Plus the J-20 has canards. Yes all the OEMs have made their attempts to render their products stealthy but there have been trade offs given mission objectives.

This could also be a case of iterative improvements where an aspect having been introduced is fully realised in successive iterations.

The lack of vertical tail will mean "better stealth" in that area not "all aspect stealth".
J20 from "all angles"is magnitudes stealthier than any non stealth jet.
It's designed to reduce rcs in "all angles"

So stop modifying the definition of "all aspects".
Having a tail less flying delta wing being relatively more stealthier, doesn't mean one with slanted vertical tail is not stealth.

 

[Azaad]

Just stupid up mf.

But I never met your mother to be called MF

You said no russian jet is omni role and "su 57" may be.

I still stand by my statement that the Su-57 is omni role coz that's the natural progression of FAs the world over. Other than that there's the Su-30 M2 which owes its existence to the massive engineering the Russians undertook which we financed for the MKI & the latest Su-35S which is nothing but a more advanced iteration of the Su-30 itself an advanced iteration of the Su-27.

Neither the Su-30 nor the Su-27 in its original form were omni role. In fact none of the FAs designed by the Soviets in the 1980s were around the time the Rafales , Eurofighters & Gripen were conceived.

Eventually everyone jumped on to the bandwagon.

You didn't even knew what omni role meant, just did Google search and went on with how omni can perform in multiple modes in same mission.
Like that's the standard for any decent fighter.

No I didn't. I was born yesterday & just appeared online today.

 

[randombully]

That's what the 6th Gen FA China's just introduced seems to have done

No, from the back where their engines their rcs will still higher relative to front, side, top, down .
Their ir signature will also by highesr there.

 

[randombully]

others who'd come up with opposite readings &

Such as?
Find me any rcs simulation which has opposite reading?
Because all I've seen came to almost similar no.

 

[randombully]

I still stand by my statement that the Su-57 is omni role coz that's the natural progression of FAs the world over. Other than that there's the Su-30 M2 which owes its existence to the massive engineering the Russians undertook which we financed for the MKI & the latest Su-35S which is nothing but a more advanced iteration of the Su-30 itself an advanced iteration of the Su-27.

If you go back in the thread you will also find your words "su35 is multirole not omni role"
And looks like you couldn't stand by your false words "no russian jet is omni role" su 57 may be.

 

[randombully]

No I didn't. I was born yesterday & just appeared online today.

All the lies you said Would be less embarrassing if you were actually born yesterday.