Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[RocketMan]

Indian MoD Opens Door for Russia in AMCA Engine Development – Indian Defence Research Wing

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Su 57 mki with indian weapons & sensor package could be excellent option while we bulk up numbers with Tejas/ Mk II/ AMCA . 60 squadrons is a pipe dream , it'd be a miracle if we even have 20 squadrons by 2030.

 

[randombully]

Using NonLO FA as a benchmark to compare FGFA and higher standards is flawed to begin with ?
Benchmark should be oldest FGFA ie F22 or at least commercially available FGFA ie F35

Using NonLO FA as a benchmark to compare FGFA and higher standards is flawed to begin with ?
Benchmark should be oldest FGFA ie F22 or at least commercially available FGFA ie F35

nice point *BUT* in mrfa it's between rafale and su57.
We aren't getting f35, as while best option, it will come with amriki strings and the so called kill switch.

Tho, if you wanna quick and simple comparison between 5th gen.
F22<Su57<j20<f35.
Why f22 last? Its the most outdated 5th gen, no irst/eots( massive disadvantage), no Das etc.
Like one f35 maintainer Said, the difference between 2020+ f35 and mid2010s f35s feels like difference between f15C/D(su30mki standard) and latest f15EX, and f22 is even older.
So yeah russia did successfully made " raptor killer" in the end, but US now has f35 lightning II, the most stealthy( yeah f35 is more stealthy than f22, unlike the false propaganda) and most advance fighter in the world.
Infact if f22 is used as a bench mark of 5th gen then it's not wrong to call f35 and even j20 as 5.5+ gen.
Rafale f4 for example is more advanced even than f22 later blocks( except stealth).

 

[ArjunMK1A]

which files are being held up by mod babus ?

DRDO P-76 submarine project.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Also the so called Offset thing is always a scam from Every country.

Russians.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/lockheed-offsets-mock-mod-norms-110121000031_1.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com

French with Scorpene. (ToT on paper)

 

[Bleh]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1899487672697081961?t=1uvoCP8KSwnvAkDZkWhSYw&s=19

View: https://x.com/RishiChatt/status/1899811150390563203

Also opinion poll:

With the level of tech already ready for AMCA & MWF, shouldn't we roll out a downgraded AMCA ASAP, if possible with MWF?... Yes, it won't be 5th Gen but still a twin-F414 fighter with IWB & some of the stealth subsystems that are already here.

Sure it'll use IRST, but it's still be better than every jet in IAF at 2030.

 

[johny_baba]

perhaps the best way to make up some squadron numbers is to get desi Mig-21-esque fighter jet, means a conventional design jet made of conventional alloy with modern avionics, electronics
HAL's HLFT-42 design is sufficient for that, just fork that design for RD-33MK and mass manufacture it till we get other designs like Tejas MK2, AMCA, TEDBF and all ready

 

[Bleh]

perhaps the best way to make up some squadron numbers is to get desi Mig-21-esque fighter jet, means a conventional design jet made of conventional alloy with modern avionics, electronics
HAL's HLFT-42 design is sufficient for that, just fork that design for RD-33MK and mass manufacture it till we get other designs like Tejas MK2, AMCA, TEDBF and all ready

We'll have:
1. Optionally manned Mig-21, Kiran etc.
2. Unmanned wingmans
3. Drones like Ghatak
4. Manned Ghatak idea might take off (bombers)
5. Maybe LIFT platform instead of Hawk-i
6. Actual fighter jets.

Counting all 60 sqn. of 1080 are doable

 

[randombully]

perhaps the best way to make up some squadron numbers is to get desi Mig-21-esque fighter jet, means a conventional design jet made of conventional alloy with modern avionics, electronics
HAL's HLFT-42 design is sufficient for that, just fork that design for RD-33MK and mass manufacture it till we get other designs like Tejas MK2, AMCA, TEDBF and all ready

Hlft 42 is larger than tejas mk2, and with metal- even heavier.
Will need al31/al41 class engine for it.

But if we're going for this.
Then much better to develop another varient of tejasmk2 powered by a non US engine of same category as f414 or slightly bigger.

Tho both with not happen.

 

[johny_baba]

perhaps the best way to make up some squadron numbers is to get desi Mig-21-esque fighter jet, means a conventional design jet made of conventional alloy with modern avionics, electronics
HAL's HLFT-42 design is sufficient for that, just fork that design for RD-33MK and mass manufacture it till we get other designs like Tejas MK2, AMCA, TEDBF and all ready

there's another factor, like a slight hunch, cue 'economy' threads and discussions

say, if Mr. Trump's tariff gambling drags them down (and with them, us and everyone heavily dependent on globalised form of economies too)...at certain critical point in future can we, like, 'arm twist' them for big orders with proper offers on tech sharing if not outright ToT regd engine tech?

in other words, how's our ability to coerce economically struggling tech giants to give us what we want for some monies?

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

What's the update on Netra MK2?

I remember... like until 6 months ago people used to post the satellite imagery of the 6x ex Air India A-320's parked on some airport... are they still there?

When we will see the 1st aircraft rollout?

 

[vampyrbladez]

My gut feeling is that India will go for :

F 35 : 35-40 aircraft in the late 2020s to early 2030s. Lots of EU countries may back out due to Trump and GCAP availability by the mid 2030s.

Su 30 MKI : Upgraded variants (260 + 12 new orders) + tentatively 40 more as proposed by HAL previously upto early 2030s

Tejas MK1A : (83 + 97) Point defense, Trainer, CAP, A2G upto early 2030s

Tejas MK2 : 120-180 aircraft to replace all Mig 29s and Mirage 2000s by early to mid 2030s

AMCA : 40 aircraft in early 2030s to 80-100 by late 2030s closing off at around 200 aircraft by 2040.

Rafale : Possible order of 36 more by late 2020s to early 2030s to secure production line and spares and prevent another Mirage 2000.

AHCA/FXX (6th generation) : 20-30 aircraft (prototypes and LSP variants) by late 2030a to early 2040s.