Indian Army Artillery Programme

[Blood+]

Guided Pinaka


View: https://twitter.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1861065419181977836

The accuracy appears to be quite low as compared to similar Chinese and American systems.


View: https://twitter.com/CNzhi1213/status/1861115103644655996/photo/1


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8AjWr-uyOU

 

[darkindie]

Guided Pinaka


View: https://twitter.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1861065419181977836

The accuracy appears to be quite low as compared to similar Chinese and American systems.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8AjWr-uyOU

We use pinaka as rocket artillery whose 1 battery can flatten 1km x 1km area, so it doesn't have to be that accurate while chinese and americans use long range guided rockets which are either 1 or 2 in number per launcher( not talking about himars) so they need to be accurate. Pinaka is a area denial weapon, chinese and american rocket arty are a strike weapon.

 

[Blood+]

We use pinaka as rocket artillery whose 1 battery can flatten 1km x 1km area, so it doesn't have to be that accurate while chinese and americans use long range guided rockets which are either 1 or 2 in number per launcher

Oh really?? Well, allow me to introduce you to Mr. PHL-16,

comes with EIGHT 370mm guided rockets and this is the one which was demonstrated in the video I had linked in my earlier comment. Sure, these are more expensive and will likely be used somewhat more sparingly, but still, nowhere near as you've made it out to be.

( not talking about himars)

Let's DO talk about the HIMARS anyway. Here's the aftermath of a HIMARS strike on the Kursk Bridge -

Do keep in mind, they achieved this with the regular M31 rockets, not the ATACMS as you thought.

so they need to be accurate. Pinaka is a area denial weapon, chinese and american rocket arty are a strike weapon.

Dude, if that were to be the case, they wouldn't even have bothered going through all the trouble of making a 'guided' version in the first place!!

 

[darkindie]

Oh really?? Well, allow me to introduce you to Mr. PHL-16,

comes with EIGHT 370mm guided rockets and this is the one which was demonstrated in the video I had linked in my earlier comment. Sure, these are more expensive and will likely be used somewhat more sparingly, but still, nowhere near as you've made it out to be.


Let's DO talk about the HIMARS anyway. Here's the aftermath of a HIMARS strike on the Kursk Bridge -

Do keep in mind, they achieved this with the regular M31 rockets, not the ATACMS as you thought.

Dude, if that were to be the case, they wouldn't even have bothered going through all the trouble of making a 'guided' version in the first place!!

I'm just saying the requirements were different during development.
I was talking about 400mm+ rockets.

The quoted system has 8 rockets per launcher that is 4 less than pinaka, how many launchers per battery? What's the weight and mobility? Pinaka is supposed to be used like old russian artillery, can that 380mm be used like that? These questions need to be considered.

I was not doing pinaka sem2sem or pinaka better. Guidance will increase the cost, is that a requirement we need to prioritize right now given the budget of our military?
Himars m31 rocket was used as a precise target strike weapon and less like artillery on the attack on kursk bridge

Keep the discussion civil, no need to lash out like a rabid person.

 

[Blood+]

I'm just saying the requirements were different during development.
I was talking about 400mm+ rockets.

The quoted system has 8 rockets per launcher that is 4 less than pinaka, how many launchers per battery? What's the weight and mobility? Pinaka is supposed to be used like old russian artillery, can that 380mm be used like that? These questions need to be considered.

I was not doing pinaka sem2sem or pinaka better. Guidance will increase the cost, is that a requirement we need to prioritize right now given the budget of our military?
Himars m31 rocket was used as a precise target strike weapon and less like artillery on the attack on kursk bridge

Keep the discussion civil, no need to lash out like a rabid person.

@Blood+ Keep discussion civil and point to point. Avoid use of same troll posts again and again to revert to fellow members posts !

 

[darkindie]

View: https://twitter.com/palepurshankar/status/1859845780498153868?s=19


View: https://twitter.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1859873298638675988?s=19

He is one of the generals which created the indian artillery modernization programs.

He worked with manohar parrikar.
He brought m777 ulh and it's enitre support ecosystem to Bharat and now a local company in Lucknow is BAE system's largest supplier of support and logistics material all over the world for m777.

He supported dhanush and atags during development against the actual import lobby. If not for this person and others like him we would be in a worse situation.

This is not glazing, these are facts.
Please members, we all are frustrated by slow pace of development but we should keep the discussion more knowlegde and fact based and less "hai tauba"/black pilling/ranting.

He is also working in IIT Madras for ramjet powered artillery.

I request members to go through his youtube channel gunner's shot which will provide you with in depth knowledge of Indian artillery program and various other topics related to indian military.

 

[Blood+]

I'm just saying the requirements were different during development.
I was talking about 400mm+ rockets.

No one cares.

The quoted system has 8 rockets per launcher that is 4 less than pinaka, how many launchers per battery? What's the weight and mobility? Pinaka is supposed to be used like old russian artillery, can that 380mm be used like that? These questions need to be considered.

They also have the PHL-03 system with 12 rockets per launcher -

And guess what?? They too have better accuracy than our so called guided Pinaka has demonstrated!!

Oh and to add to it, this also happens to be the second most numerous MLRS system in PLA service and their number is higher than our entire rocket artillery corps as of now.

The American M270 with 12 rockets of almost identical dimensions to our Pinaka -

And examples of its accuracy has already been provided but I'll post once again as it seemingly escaped your attention the first time.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kwxbOGt8WI

I was not doing pinaka sem2sem or pinaka better.

Yeah, I can read as well, thank you very much.

Guidance will increase the cost, is that a requirement we need to prioritize right now given the budget of our military?

You're fucking kidding me right?? It's literally called GUIDED Pinaka!! It's in the fucking nomenclature!!

Himars m31 rocket was used as a precise target strike weapon and less like artillery on the attack on kursk bridge

Yeah, and so is the intention behind this so called GUIDED Pinaka as well.
And besides, as can be seen here -

Army celebrates production of 50,000th GMLRS rocket and its continued evolution

The 50,000th Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System rocket rolled off the industry partner’s production line in Camden, Arkansas in mid-November 2020, marking a historic occasion for the U.S. Army and the field artillery community.

www.dvidshub.net

they clearly intend on using these rockets in very high volumes!! So, there goes all your arguments outta the window (but then again, this would imply you even had one to begin with, which will be way too generous on my part).

Keep the discussion civil, no need to lash out like a rabid person.

With your level of blissful ignorance and cope, that's all the civility you will ever receive.

 

[darkindie]

No one cares.

They also have the PHL-03 system with 12 rockets per launcher -

And guess what?? They too have better accuracy than our so called guided Pinaka has demonstrated!!

Oh and to add to it, this also happens to be the second most numerous MLRS system in PLA service and their number is higher than our entire rocket artillery corps as of now.

The American M270 with 12 rockets of almost identical dimensions to our Pinaka -

And examples of its accuracy has already been provided but I'll post once again as it seemingly escaped your attention the first time.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kwxbOGt8WI


Yeah, I can read as well, thank you very much.

You're fucking kidding me right?? It's literally called GUIDED Pinaka!! It's in the fucking nomenclature!!


Yeah, and so is the intention behind this so called GUIDED Pinaka as well.

With your level of blissful ignorance and cope, that's all the civility you will ever receive.

Ok guided pinaka bad.
Touch grass retard instead of ranting over accuracy of guided artillery like a rabid dog on the net like it's gonna change anything.
Good day to you.

 

[Clawreed]

Guided pinaka should have completed development a few years back but it's still on trials. We need to seriously improve our development cycle. If it's as good as himars,there's going to be a huge market for exports .

 

[Blood+]

Guided pinaka should have completed development a few years back but it's still on trials. We need to seriously improve our development cycle. If it's as good as himars,there's going to be a huge market for exports .

EXACTLY!!

 

[Clawreed]

Guided Pinaka


View: https://twitter.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1861065419181977836

The accuracy appears to be quite low as compared to similar Chinese and American systems.


View: https://twitter.com/CNzhi1213/status/1861115103644655996/photo/1


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8AjWr-uyOU

So, this is probably why the trials are still going on.Maybe it's improved by now.

 

[Blood+]

So, this is probably why the trials are still going on.Maybe it's improved by now.

I sure as hell hope so.

 

[Azaad]

He is one of the generals which created the indian artillery modernization programs.

He worked with manohar parrikar.
He brought m777 ulh and it's enitre support ecosystem to Bharat and now a local company in Lucknow is BAE system's largest supplier of support and logistics material all over the world for m777.

He supported dhanush and atags during development against the actual import lobby. If not for this person and others like him we would be in a worse situation.

This is not glazing, these are facts.
Please members, we all are frustrated by slow pace of development but we should keep the discussion more knowlegde and fact based and less "hai tauba"/black pilling/ranting.

He is also working in IIT Madras for ramjet powered artillery.

I request members to go through his youtube channel gunner's shot which will provide you with in depth knowledge of Indian artillery program and various other topics related to indian military.

I see. And are you aware of the credentials of the people whose conversation I quoted there ? Hint - run thru their timelines on Twitter. Don't let anyone spoon feed you that information .

 

[Blood+]

@Blood+ Keep discussion civil and point to point. Avoid use of same troll posts again and again to revert to fellow members posts !

Hmm... and to whom do I owe my thanks and regards for this gem of a totally non-biased not one sided and thoughtful 'advice'??

 

[SKC]

Hmm... and to whom do I owe my thanks and regards for this gem of a totally non-biased not one sided and thoughtful 'advice'??

Please keep it civil here. Avoid use of same pics repeatedly in your replies.

 

[Charlie]

No one cares.

They also have the PHL-03 system with 12 rockets per launcher -

And guess what?? They too have better accuracy than our so called guided Pinaka has demonstrated!!

Oh and to add to it, this also happens to be the second most numerous MLRS system in PLA service and their number is higher than our entire rocket artillery corps as of now.

The American M270 with 12 rockets of almost identical dimensions to our Pinaka -

And examples of its accuracy has already been provided but I'll post once again as it seemingly escaped your attention the first time.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kwxbOGt8WI


Yeah, I can read as well, thank you very much.

You're fucking kidding me right?? It's literally called GUIDED Pinaka!! It's in the fucking nomenclature!!


Yeah, and so is the intention behind this so called GUIDED Pinaka as well.
And besides, as can be seen here -

Army celebrates production of 50,000th GMLRS rocket and its continued evolution

The 50,000th Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System rocket rolled off the industry partner’s production line in Camden, Arkansas in mid-November 2020, marking a historic occasion for the U.S. Army and the field artillery community.

www.dvidshub.net

they clearly intend on using these rockets in very high volumes!! So, there goes all your arguments outta the window (but then again, this would imply you even had one to begin with, which will be way too generous on my part).

With your level of blissful ignorance and cope, that's all the civility you will ever receive.

Just with one photo and one launch you guys are debating about the accuracy of the system and that too we don't have the test data

I guess as long as the user is satisfied it's all good

 

[SKC]

Fair enough, but what about all those sweet and kind words uttered by our esteemed darkindie ?? Then am I to assume that stuff is allowed?? Cause I'll be more than ecstatic to make ample use of it in my future comments whenever the need arises.

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[Blood+]

Just with one photo and one launch you guys are debating about the accuracy of the system and that too we don't have the test data

I guess as long as the user is satisfied it's all good

Sorry @SKC but I don't know how else to respond, so...

Dude, just say that this system is still in its early development phase and therefore, it won't be fair to compare it with older, more mature systems that have already been in active service for quite some time and that'd be a perfectly acceptable argument.

But just handwaving an obvious fact away like that just so you can save yourself from having to face a disconcerting reality is beyond retarded... and weak.