Indian Army: News and Updates

[Screambowl]

Well these "veterans" as well as others bitching about this whole topic are the usual suspects. Jumping the gun just to spew venom without even checking facts.
THEY ARE TWO SEPERATE IMAGES IN TWO IDENTICAL ROOMS!

Here's ADGPI shutting that discussion down without even saying a word about it!
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View: https://x.com/adgpi/status/1867606908804510075

Sir your input was not correct. They have moved the photo.

 

[VictorDelta4]

Sir your input was not correct. They have moved the photo.

Mate, stop jumping the gun all the time and read the next post after this.. It was moved AFTER my first post!

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Monday at 7:35 PM

Few usual suspects are going to complain about this as well!


View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1868637768399684063

• VictorDelta4

 

[Screambowl]

Mate, stop jumping the gun all the time and read the next post after this.. It was moved AFTER my first post!

Post in thread 'Indian Army: News and Updates'

Monday at 7:35 PM

Few usual suspects are going to complain about this as well!


View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1868637768399684063

• VictorDelta4

Okay, apologies but Anyways, the new painting looks like drawn by some kid from primary school.

 

[VictorDelta4]

Okay, apologies but Anyways, the new painting looks like drawn by some kid from primary school.

Agreed. Someone else could have done a far better job.

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/rajatpTOI/status/1870067105334505791

 

[Blademaster]

View: https://x.com/rajatpTOI/status/1870067105334505791

That takes it up to 200 right? Not enough, IA needs at least 400 of these.

 

[ezsasa]

Well these "veterans" as well as others bitching about this whole topic are the usual suspects. Jumping the gun just to spew venom without even checking facts.
THEY ARE TWO SEPERATE IMAGES IN TWO IDENTICAL ROOMS!

Here's ADGPI shutting that discussion down without even saying a word about it!
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View: https://x.com/adgpi/status/1867606908804510075

asked grok to explain the new portrait , it's response below:
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This image depicts a highly imaginative and historically anachronistic scene. Here's a breakdown of its elements:

1. Setting: The backdrop is the Pangong Tso Lake, a high-altitude lake in the Himalayas known for its stunning beauty, stretching across parts of India and China.
2. Historical Figures:
   • Chanakya, an ancient Indian philosopher, is depicted standing in a commanding position. He is known for his role in the foundation of the Maurya Empire and his teachings in statecraft.
   • Arjuna, a legendary warrior from the Indian epic Mahabharata, is shown on a chariot, which is a nod to his prowess in battle and his role in the Kurukshetra War.
3. Modern Military Equipment:
   • Apache Helicopters: Modern attack helicopters, symbolizing advanced military technology.
   • ARJUN Tank: An Indian-made main battle tank, representing contemporary Indian military might.
4. Indian Army Soldiers: They are shown in their current uniforms, indicating the presence of today's Indian military forces.
5. Additional Elements:
   • A Garuda (mythical bird or bird-like creature in Hindu, Buddhist, and Jain mythology) is flying above, adding a mythical touch to the scene.
   • Boats on the lake, which might represent naval or paramilitary forces.

This composition blends different time periods, cultures, and technologies into one scene, creating a surreal narrative where ancient wisdom meets modern warfare, set against a significant geographical landmark. It's a creative juxtaposition that could symbolize the continuity of Indian strategic thought from ancient times to the present, or it might simply be an artistic exploration of anachronism.

 

[darkflame]

That takes it up to 200 right? Not enough, IA needs at least 400 of these.

it doesn't matter if we acquire 200 or 400 of these, if in future we get into a long term war against us intresets, us will easily pressurise its vessel soko to stop supply of crucial parts needed for production of these howitzers,also in case of a war soko will most likely stop supply of spares too , in which case our self proppled howitzers will turn into tractor pulled howitzers. in my opinion an arjun mbt based SPH can easily be made in 3-4 years by a jv of L&T and DRDO, the newly devloped datran 1500hp can be used to power this thing .Modi has too have gone complacent after loosing majority this year, after a tight lease on imported weapons for past two -three years, doors have opened again.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

it doesn't matter if we acquire 200 or 400 of these, if in future we get into a long term war against us intresets, us will easily pressurise its vessel soko to stop supply of crucial parts needed for production of these howitzers,also in case of a war soko will most likely stop supply of spares too , in which case our self proppled howitzers will turn into tractor pulled howitzers. in my opinion an arjun mbt based SPH can easily be made in 3-4 years by a jv of L&T and DRDO, the newly devloped datran 1500hp can be used to power this thing .Modi has too have gone complacent after loosing majority this year, after a tight lease on imported weapons for past two -three years, doors have opened again.

L&T and others can manufacture the spares that go into K9 platform. India has dozens of automobile parts manufacturers.

And as part of contract many regularly needed spares would be manufactured in India.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

it doesn't matter if we acquire 200 or 400 of these, if in future we get into a long term war against us intresets, us will easily pressurise its vessel soko to stop supply of crucial parts needed for production of these howitzers,also in case of a war soko will most likely stop supply of spares too , in which case our self proppled howitzers will turn into tractor pulled howitzers. in my opinion an arjun mbt based SPH can easily be made in 3-4 years by a jv of L&T and DRDO, the newly devloped datran 1500hp can be used to power this thing .Modi has too have gone complacent after loosing majority this year, after a tight lease on imported weapons for past two -three years, doors have opened again.

Good idea if you redesign Arjun's chassis and make it lighter. As it stands the ARRV weighs close to 50 tons. Which is very reasonable considering it's a recovery vehicle meant to even pull an Arjun MBT out.

However, you take out the winch and dozer blade, and the weight of the chassis will still hover around 45 tons. Now the K-9 comes out at 47-48 tons at full load. And you still need a turret and a gun to go on this "unarmored" ARRV chassis. the Gun + assembly alone will cross 5 tons. And then I'd imagine you need a turret that is at least 14.5 proof frontally like the K-9. So now add that weight, plus the electronic turret drive. And the product balloons to over 10+ tons above the K-9. Now try selling this to our Army, that this thing does exactly the same thing as the K-9, carries the same caliber, but is a "bit" heavier.

 

[Blademaster]

Good idea if you redesign Arjun's chassis and make it lighter. As it stands the ARRV weighs close to 50 tons. Which is very reasonable considering it's a recovery vehicle meant to even pull an Arjun MBT out.
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However, you take out the winch and dozer blade, and the weight of the chassis will still hover around 45 tons. Now the K-9 comes out at 47-48 tons at full load. And you still need a turret and a gun to go on this "unarmored" ARRV chassis. the Gun + assembly alone will cross 5 tons. And then I'd imagine you need a turret that is at least 14.5 proof frontally like the K-9. So now add that weight, plus the electronic turret drive. And the product balloons to over 10+ tons above the K-9. Now try selling this to our Army, that this thing does exactly the same thing as the K-9, carries the same caliber, but is a "bit" heavier.

But it does offer more protection than the K-9. However, we have to evaluate whether that extra protection is really useful or not on the realms of drone warfare, AGTMS, and artillery counterbattery strikes.

 

[AbRaj]

There is a reason army looks so antique both professionally as well as equipment wise and its not because of GOI or lack of funds.
IMO the army top brass don’t have a clue how to modernise themselves.
Just have a look at disparity between demand, allocated funds and funds actually spend by the army.
Just for 1 year that too during active conflict with Chinese they were able to spend what they had demanded from GOI.

 

[Blademaster]

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There is a reason army looks so antique both professionally as well as equipment wise and its not because of GOI or lack of funds.
IMO the army top brass don’t have a clue how to modernise themselves.
Just have a look at disparity between demand, allocated funds and funds actually spend by the army.
Just for 1 year that too during active conflict with Chinese they were able to spend what they had demanded from GOI.

I blame it on excessive bean countering and bureaucracy asserting itself on questioning on every need, nut and bolt that sometimes it is better not to order and just do by with existing equipment and shove the problem to the incoming replacement commander, i.e., punting the football.

 

[ezsasa]

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There is a reason army looks so antique both professionally as well as equipment wise and its not because of GOI or lack of funds.
IMO the army top brass don’t have a clue how to modernise themselves.
Just have a look at disparity between demand, allocated funds and funds actually spend by the army.
Just for 1 year that too during active conflict with Chinese they were able to spend what they had demanded from GOI.

this could also mean, for a few contracts scheduled delivery did not happen or payment not cleared before closing of the books for the fiscal. if IA says, procurement did not even start like it used to happen during UPA, then it is a issue.