Indian Culture and society

niks_12 said:
Yes you do have a point. But I wouldn’t attribute something to just the lack of a particular tactic.

That’s a tactical view but from a strategic view it seems like we were contented and all these concepts came as in case of rajputs. We never devised ways to win wars even if for the good. It always boils down to who wants it more doesn’t it? Objectives drive your actions and not the other way around.

Result average Indian now is under confident and non-violent to the core and we lack the strength to deal with other races that bring this aggressiveness.
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What all you people are discussing about? Everyone knows this and let me give you counter words that OUR ANCESTORS THEMSELVES CAME WITH but THANKS TO CONGRESS GANDHI LOVE and that too so that they can get VOTES, everyone in India now don't like these words.

VARCHASWA and SHATRUBODH, both total and perfect Indian words. Please go and tell these words to common Indians whether home or abroad.Everyone will react like NO...this is EXCESSIVE, let him or her live, he/she has learned, yes literally they will say this.

It's another matter in their personal life themselves, if they have a personal vendetta against someone they will become PAPA and MAMA of these two words, they will go to such length that they will not even think about Bharat long term security.

Example:- BJP and other parties politicians kins, children,etc. live in west, babus children live in west, do you think they care about us? their future is set, quota stupidity will not be tolerated in talent hungry west.

We badmouth Pakistan elites who live in other country and destroy their own home. Doesn't India so called elites too do the same thing? all political parties, IAS, IFS BABUS families have some of their kins or children studying, living in progressive and freedom to do business clean west, do they think CIA doesnt know this?

Here in India they behave like it's their playground. HERE THESE POLITICAL PARTIES destroy us common indians in the name of QUOTA and BABUDOM, latest of which is GOOD and SERIOUS DISCUSSION on how to bring QUOTA monster in India Private sector.
 
angryindian said:
I don't know about his ulterior motives but after seeing his video,sadly, I've to agree with "some" of his points.

I find the living standards, hygiene, law and order, and general public behavior in North India to be quite poor. What shocked me the most was Delhi. Barring pockets here and there, it has an extremely bad public infrastructure. The people called Vasant Kunj a posh area, but the roads were littered with potholes, which broke my back while traveling on a rickety auto.

There is a video of Okhla running around on Twitter that is going viral showing it's absolute garbage infrastructure.The sewers were running on the roads and people casually throwing their waste in the frontyard. And old Delhi needs no mentioning as everyone knows about it.

When foreigners come to India, this is what they see and think that the rest of India is like this.
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I have lived in all tier 1 cities( the 4 metros of bharat) and some tier 2 and tier 3 cities all over the country.

Cities in southern state especially Tamil Nadu have a lot of catching up to do in terms of public infra compared to cities in north(except chennai metro rail which is as good as any other metro in the country).

Level of hygiene, living standard, law and order, general public behaviour is the same everywhere i.e. extremely poor in both northern and southern states.

Whole Chennai stinks just like Noida because of the river/ canal which flows through the city.

States in North and South got nothing on Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh in terms of cleanliness(based on personal experience).
 
darkindie said:
I have lived in all tier 1 cities( the 4 metros of bharat) and some tier 2 and tier 3 cities all over the country.

Cities in southern state especially Tamil Nadu have a lot of catching up to do in terms of public infra compared to cities in north(except chennai metro rail which is as good as any other metro in the country).

Level of hygiene, living standard, law and order, general public behaviour is the same everywhere i.e. extremely poor in both northern and southern states.

Whole Chennai stinks just like Noida because of the river/ canal which flows through the city.

States in North and South got nothing on Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh in terms of cleanliness(based on personal experience).
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Yes, People want to make it North vs South in terms of city infra, cleanliness and adherence to laws.

After visiting Chennai recently, I can say that Chennai had even worse city roads than Delhi and multiple areas were worse than Delhi in terms of cleanliness.

But the things where South outshines North is Law and safety. Women leaving office around 11pm-12am in night and reaching home safely is something will take over 20-30 more years in North.​
 
SKC said:
Yes, People want to make it North vs South in terms of city infra, cleanliness and adherence to laws.

After visiting Chennai recently, I can say that Chennai had even worse city roads than Delhi and multiple areas were worse than Delhi in terms of cleanliness.

But the things where South outshines North is Law and safety. Women leaving office around 11pm-12am in night and reaching home safely is something will take over 20-30 more years in North.​
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Just check local newspaper in chennai, rape/gangrapes in Tamil Nadu coming in local newspaper everyday. Rate ot crimes against women is same in all 4 metro cities. It's just delhi is national capital so crimes are highlighted on national tv. Just a day after kolkata rape case, a gangrape happened in chennai but it did not make to national televison.

You know one of the reasons why?
Chennai has as many alcohol beverage shops as delhi if not more (reason for highest cases of liver transplant in country). Work ends at 6 PM and people(not everyone) start getting drunk at 6 or 7, come home and beat their wives.

Sale of alcohol is directly proportional to increase in crimes.
 
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darkindie said:
Just check local newspaper in chennai, rape/gangrapes in Tamil Nadu coming in local newspaper everyday. Rate ot crimes against women is same in all 4 metro cities. It's just delhi is national capital so crimes are highlighted on national tv. Just a day after kolkata rape case, a gangrape happened in chennai but it did not make to national televison.

You know one of the reasons why?
Chennai has as many alcohol beverage shops as delhi if not more (reason for highest cases of liver transplant in country). Work ends at 6 PM and people(not everyone) start getting drunk at 6 or 7, come home and beat their wives.

Sale of alcohol is directly proportional to increase in crimes.
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I am just putting personal anecdotal experience plus feedback of innumerous colleagues, friends and acquaintances.​
 
darkindie said:
I have lived in all tier 1 cities( the 4 metros of bharat) and some tier 2 and tier 3 cities all over the country.

Cities in southern state especially Tamil Nadu have a lot of catching up to do in terms of public infra compared to cities in north(except chennai metro rail which is as good as any other metro in the country).

Level of hygiene, living standard, law and order, general public behaviour is the same everywhere i.e. extremely poor in both northern and southern states.
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This is Aleppo, Syria after 13 years of Civil war, and still looks better than an average Indian city despite not having a municipal body or waste collection system or a proper local government,


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmNMLhMRZKE
 
Azaad said:
I wish someone tries this in the 6:50 Virar fast from Churchgate someday. Delhi guys seem to be enjoying a luxurious life.
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Its a women reserved compartment probably in low ridership line. She wont dare in HUDA city centre to kashmiri gate metro line
 
angryindian said:
This is Aleppo, Syria after 13 years of Civil war, and still looks better than an average Indian city despite not having a municipal body or waste collection system or a proper local government,


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmNMLhMRZKE
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Only 40% of Allepo looks like this and that is way better than India.


The center left North part of Allepo has design synergy and once you design a city with that synergy it looks decent even if the buildings are tattered.
Want to know what design synergy is?
Look at new town kolkata, Salt Lake.
South Bhubaneshwar.
Entirety of Chandigarh.


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Medium Synergy
roads are wide and would have footpath and ample space with some space for greenery as well.
The roads are interlocked and each roads connects to some other road, roads curving rate are constant mostly, no random sharp turns.


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Low deisgn synergy.



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Negative deisgn synergy.

Roads terminate at random sections leading to nowhere.
The roads have sharp turns and the rate of curve is random at all places. No footpath, narrow roads and no space for greenery.

And the Delhi one will still cost more because Indians are used to pig sty standards.
 

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Suryavanshi said:
Only 40% of Allepo looks like this and that is way better than India.


The center left North part of Allepo has design synergy and once you design a city with that synergy it looks decent even if the buildings are tattered.
Want to know what design synergy is?
Look at new town kolkata, Salt Lake.
South Bhubaneshwar.
Entirety of Chandigarh.


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Medium Synergy
roads are wide and would have footpath and ample space with some space for greenery as well.
The roads are interlocked and each roads connects to some other road, roads curving rate are constant mostly, no random sharp turns.


View attachment 10715

Low deisgn synergy.



View attachment 10719

Negative deisgn synergy.

Roads terminate at random sections leading to nowhere.
The roads have sharp turns and the rate of curve is random at all places. No footpath, narrow roads and no space for greenery.

And the Delhi one will still cost more because Indians are used to pig sty standards.
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I had put Aleppo picture again while explaining negative design synergy.

The 3d picture is that of Delhi.
 
angryindian said:
This is Aleppo, Syria after 13 years of Civil war, and still looks better than an average Indian city despite not having a municipal body or waste collection system or a proper local government,


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmNMLhMRZKE
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Indian urban infrastructure is absolute dogshit, that is the reason why India looks far poorer than what it actually is i.e. our urban areas do not reflect our levels of development at all. Delhi is a giant village and ghetto where 80% of the population lives at least. Compare that to Chandigarh which has lower GDP per capita than Delhi or even Noida. Tamil Nadu has same GDP and GDP per capita as Vietnam yet it's cities resemble the worst of BIMARU states. Gurugram is the richest city in India, yet literally has no urban infra, no planning, no drainage, or any trunk infra. Insane to think how dogshit Indian urban infra is.

At some point Indian govt will need to realise that we need extremely huge capex to turnaround our urban areas, we can't grow like this at all. We need new urban areas and huge supply of affordable housing to house the largely rural population of India.


This is Vietnam's largest city, a country with similar GDP and GDP per capita as Tamil Nadu.
Can we imagine Chennai to ever look like this? Nope.

View: https://youtu.be/jEsEQ4EXskE
 
Suryavanshi said:
Only 40% of Allepo looks like this and that is way better than India.


The center left North part of Allepo has design synergy and once you design a city with that synergy it looks decent even if the buildings are tattered.
Want to know what design synergy is?
Look at new town kolkata, Salt Lake.
South Bhubaneshwar.
Entirety of Chandigarh.


View attachment 10714

Medium Synergy
roads are wide and would have footpath and ample space with some space for greenery as well.
The roads are interlocked and each roads connects to some other road, roads curving rate are constant mostly, no random sharp turns.


View attachment 10715

Low deisgn synergy.



View attachment 10719

Negative deisgn synergy.

Roads terminate at random sections leading to nowhere.
The roads have sharp turns and the rate of curve is random at all places. No footpath, narrow roads and no space for greenery.

And the Delhi one will still cost more because Indians are used to pig sty standards.
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Aesthetics and Design Syngery is one aspect, the bigger aspect is civility.

We have many cities, including large ones, without proper drainage systems or waste collection. People carelessly discard their rubbish on the streets, attracting dangerous stray animals and leading to diseases throughout the neighborhood. Electrical wiring are often left dangling, with live wires left exposed, posing a risk of electrocution, especially during monsoons. The roads are riddled with potholes, making driving difficult even with the toughest suspensions. Even on well-maintained roads, the danger persists due to the presence of stray animals, a major cause of road accidents. Hawkers and food stalls set up shop almost anywhere, contributing to pollution in the surrounding area.

I've grown up in planned cities and things I've taken for granted like pavements, cycling and jogging tracks, recreational parks, and sports centers, are considered rare luxuries in most of the country.
 
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