Indian Economy (7 Viewers)

[redpanda]

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Most of the times it's tends to be financial limitations. Lmao if wages increase there is a chance of small scale baby boom.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

From last year, Chinamon stopped sending skilled labor to train Indian workers in Foxconn plants, Stopped TBM export, officially stopped Magnets required for Motors in Automobiles. Next they will silently stop machinery required for certain critical sectors, Rare earth mineral exports blocked.

As of now, All automobile companies cried to Commerce ministry and apparently Gormint babus were talking with China for restart supply. For rare earth, gormint is trying.

Don't know what will happen. But if dhandos thinking they can simply rely on some Zingchang wungfu company for everything, they may get ass whooped.

That is why I got stale taste when Reliance decided to introduce Shein brand. Out of all dhandos, reliance which is known for strong Textile industry somehow decided to introduce choinese brand. When they can build the same brand with that pile of money they are sitting.

 

[redpanda]

From last year, Chinamon stopped sending skilled labor to train Indian workers in Foxconn plants, Stopped TBM export, officially stopped Magnets required for Motors in Automobiles. Next they will silently stop machinery required for certain critical sectors, Rare earth mineral exports blocked.

As of now, All automobile companies cried to Commerce ministry and apparently Gormint babus were talking with China for restart supply. For rare earth, gormint is trying.

Don't know what will happen. But if dhandos thinking they can simply rely on some Zingchang wungfu company for everything, they may get ass whooped.

That is why I got stale taste when Reliance decided to introduce Shein brand. Out of all dhandos, reliance which is known for strong Textile industry somehow decided to introduce choinese brand. When they can build the same brand with that pile of money they are sitting.

Our dhandos have very little confidence. They need G pe laat to start something on their own.

 

[crazywithmath]

View: https://x.com/timesofindia/status/1938127588515574175?s=46

I keep saying this and I will say this again.

NFHS is crap. Do not read too mich into their findings. Let the census data come out.

That being said, a TFR of ~ 2.05 (+/ 0.1) is not that problematic if the economy keeps growing.

If you look up the pre GFC lolbert era you would find that most gora nations had very healthy TFR. But once the economic growth nosedived, their TFR started falling like a rock.

Also, we should formulate an upgraded CAA and provide citizenship to the non muslims of the subcontinent and possibly, Hindus from all over the world.

 

[shade2]

Our dhandos have very little confidence. They need G pe laat to start something on their own.

dhandhos want least effort for max profit, which they then proceed to ((( offshore ))) into London, New York etc.

 

[Knowitall]

I keep saying this and I will say this again.

NFHS is crap. Do not read too mich into their findings. Let the census data come out.

That being said, a TFR of ~ 2.05 (+/ 0.1) is not that problematic if the economy keeps growing.

If you look up the pre GFC lolbert era you would find that most gora nations had very healthy TFR. But once the economic growth nosedived, their TFR started falling like a rock.

Also, we should formulate an upgraded CAA and provide citizenship to the non muslims of the subcontinent and possibly, Hindus from all over the world.

I actually would have preferred a low TFR if not for the constant demographic change that is going on.

People might not remember but back in the day post independence Indian population was at just 340 million somewhere around what the US is at today. Today UP and bihar have that many people in that little area. Our cities were cleaner lesser strain on resources urban infrastructure when compared to whatever hellhole this place has become now.

I mean 340 million spread across India we were literally set up for success.

I mean back in the day bangalore had boating rides and large lakes lol imagine my surprise to that.

If only we had a govt which had completed the population swap and kept population in check along with decent industrialisation India probably would have a per capita GDP of 10-15k USD easily.


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[Knowitall]

I swear to god having a shitty post independent govt that could not control dehatis breeding like rabbits the economy or anything for that matter has let the hindu society devolve into this grotesque entity today that has very little to tie itself to the architecture of our golden era.


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[ezsasa]

I don't know where to put this. So posted here. If our government can launch thousands of crores worth of freebie programmes, they certainly have enough money to provide rewards/grants to talented folks who come back to India. There will be some folks who might still want to come back to India, all we need is to give them some appropriate amount of carrots. Look at the Chinese how they are using such approach to fuel their own growth.

Courting Geniuses: How China's 'Thousand Talents' Strategy Is Fuelling Its Ascent

https://swarajyamag.com/economy/courting-geniuses-how-chinas-thousand-talents-strategy-is-fuelling-its-ascent

there are some central gormint schemes, don't know how well they are being utilised.

the ones below are from ministry of science, i remember ministry of education also has some schemes launched when smriti irani was edu. minister.

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1657418

VAJRA India | SERB

Visiting Advanced Joint Research (VAJRA) Faculty is a Central Government scheme for foreign researchers to contribute to the growth of R & D in India.

vajra-india.in

 

[redpanda]

there are some central gormint schemes, don't know how well they are being utilised.

the ones below are from ministry of science, i remember ministry of education also has some schemes launched when smriti irani was edu. minister.

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1657418

VAJRA India | SERB

Visiting Advanced Joint Research (VAJRA) Faculty is a Central Government scheme for foreign researchers to contribute to the growth of R & D in India.

vajra-india.in

How effective has these been? Never heard about these schemes. Maybe that guy working on Quantam computers came here under this scheme.

 

[ezsasa]

I swear to god having a shitty post independent govt that could not control dehatis breeding like rabbits the economy or anything for that matter has let the hindu society devolve into this grotesque entity today that has very little to tie itself to the architecture of our golden era.


View: https://x.com/gazwa_e_bhindi/status/1933420147597062564?s=46


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c'mon, kejri may not have done many things he is supposed to do. but he definitely got one thing done i.e chandni chowk redevelopment.

from this


to this.

 

[Knowitall]

c'mon, kejri may not have done many things he is supposed to do. but he definitely got one thing done i.e chandni chowk redevelopment.

from this
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to this.
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Ah yes one of the smaller scams of Kejriwal from his heyday.

This cheap 2 rupee footpath with some pots and cleaning costed a grand total of 99 crores and the image that you have posted of before and after if you actually turn right or left into any gully it is literally the same.

This whole tamasha was done for only 1.5km in front of the redfort path. Move anywhere else in any other direction you will once again get picture 1. It was a straight up scam where the entire market is image 1 but the main road was cleaned up with shitty architecture and the same cheap looking shops for a grand 99 crores.

There was supposed to be a phase 2 for another 99 crores by the same contractor but kejru was thrown into jail by then.

Compare that to the old market it was beautiful spacious and with a lot of tress back in the day. Kejriwal should not at all he given any credit for this cheap ass stunt he has pulled.

 

[Knowitall]

This also shows how effective the whole social Media narrative for Kejriwal was. Kaisa bhi ho kaam to kiya hai delhi ke liye when as a matter of fact delhi yamuna had regressed beyond a point under his tenure but his PR was strong enough to convince a lot of people even in the RW side that kaam to karta hai.

Garbage dumbs illegal slums polluted rivers extreme amount of robberies collapse of law and order heavy illegal migration all ignored because dude gave free bijli paani with a strong PR.

 

[sauntheninja]

I swear to god having a shitty post independent govt that could not control dehatis breeding like rabbits the economy or anything for that matter has let the hindu society devolve into this grotesque entity today that has very little to tie itself to the architecture of our golden era.


View: https://x.com/gazwa_e_bhindi/status/1933420147597062564?s=46


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Counterpoint

At that time how much of the population lived in the cities it was just the rich working in some government job or people working in private companies.

You can't glorify Bangalore before the 80s when only a select few people lived there which were already rich so should the poor people not migrate to cities for jobs at all to keep cities like Mumbai and Bangalore asthetic.

Pune is again the same thing all this hate against migration and rural places to destroy your beautiful city when these places were rich man's paradies when common folk was not allowed

 

[redpanda]

Counterpoint

At that time how much of the population lived in the cities it was just the rich working in some government job or people working in private companies.

You can't glorify Bangalore before the 80s when only a select few people lived there which were already rich so should the poor people not migrate to cities for jobs at all to keep cities like Mumbai and Bangalore asthetic.

Pune is again the same thing all this hate against migration and rural places to destroy your beautiful city when these places were rich man's paradies when common folk was not allowed

True. Back then most of the people lived in villages. My town had a population of just 10,000. That too counting the outskirt population. Even though the population of the district was 1 lakh. Just a few people lived in the main town.

 

[Knowitall]

Counterpoint

At that time how much of the population lived in the cities it was just the rich working in some government job or people working in private companies.

You can't glorify Bangalore before the 80s when only a select few people lived there which were already rich so should the poor people not migrate to cities for jobs at all to keep cities like Mumbai and Bangalore asthetic.

Pune is again the same thing all this hate against migration and rural places to destroy your beautiful city when these places were rich man's paradies when common folk was not allowed

So by this logic every major city should be a shit hole due to migration?

As population increases cities are supposed to be spread and planned accordingly . This is literally no lack of space in India.

Rich poor does not matter as long as cities grow organically with the right infra.

Tokyo has population of 14 million go figure that.

Pune and Bangaloreans are right the city simply does not exist anymore. Its infrastructure was simply not upgraded to handle the migration that was coming through. Don't blame the people for rightfully pointing out the municipal corporations sitting on their ass all day. Manyata tech park was literally built on a lake when there is no much space to expand.

Nobody is stopping the common folk is it fair for the common folk to live in squalor because the infra was not upgraded with time.

Are they not people?

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

So by this logic every major city should be a shit hole due to migration?

As population increases cities are supposed to be spread and planned accordingly . This is literally no lack of space in India.

Rich poor does not matter as long as cities grow organically with the right infra.

Tokyo has population of 14 million go figure that.

Pune and Bangaloreans are right the city simply does not exist anymore. Its infrastructure was simply not upgraded to handle the migration that was coming through. Don't blame the people for rightfully pointing out the municipal corporations sitting on their ass all day.

Nobody is stopping the common folk is it fair for the common folk to live in squalor because the the infra was not upgraded with time

Are they not people?

another thing I might say is , our cities lack multi-story buildings , not multistory as in 2-3 floors but 7-10 floors, these mid to low high rise apartments are pretty important to sustain population, tokyo has alot of high rise residential buildings. Our cities have issue with bad growth, not growth but bad growth. We don't add affordable midrise or high-rise apartments which would give plenty of space for beautification related development .

We need out cities to grow better.

 

[redpanda]

another thing I might say is , our cities lack multi-story buildings , not multistory as in 2-3 floors but 7-10 floors, these mid to low high rise apartments are pretty important to sustain population, tokyo has alot of high rise residential buildings. Our cities have issue with bad growth, not growth but bad growth. We don't add affordable midrise or high-rise apartments which would give plenty of space for beautification related development .

We need out cities to grow better.

This happened because of ridiculous laws during license raj era regarding height of buildings. Our government promoted these compound type houses with just 2-3 floors.

 

[pythonlover]

So by this logic every major city should be a shit hole due to migration?

As population increases cities are supposed to be spread and planned accordingly . This is literally no lack of space in India.

Rich poor does not matter as long as cities grow organically with the right infra.

Tokyo has population of 14 million go figure that.

Pune and Bangaloreans are right the city simply does not exist anymore. Its infrastructure was simply not upgraded to handle the migration that was coming through. Don't blame the people for rightfully pointing out the municipal corporations sitting on their ass all day. Manyata tech park was literally built on a lake when there is no much space to expand.

Nobody is stopping the common folk is it fair for the common folk to live in squalor because the infra was not upgraded with time.

Are they not people?

Would like to re-post my one earlier post on this topic: (Post here)

The major issue is that building liveable cities is primarily the responsibility of state and local governments. When even the bureaucrats at central level are unimaginative, corrupt and non-efficient, you can very well think their level at local and state levels.

This thing should have been tackled and streamlined in the 1990s when we had started to grow. Zoning should have been implemented, roads should have been broadened with future capacity in mind, intensively laying sewage and electricity infrastructure in planned way, construction of footpaths etc. We just don't have visionary and forward thinking bureaucracy.

For god knows why, we still don't encourage vertical growth in cities, even in areas not earthquake prone. Most cities have unnecessary limit on vertical building heights. This led to horizontal expansion of cities, engulfing agricultural areas in itself. These farmlands were sold by owners and used to build houses, which created another haphazard mess. These plots don't even have road access and if they do, it is usually 6-10 feet broad.

Let me show you about Patna through images :

This is the part built by British, now the power centre of the state :

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You can see the grid like structure and planning.

Now this is the recent expansion of the city in last 30 years :

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No grids, no plans and nothing. No provision for parks or any public space. Just houses built haphazardly along roads carved out from no where.

Now the city is still expanding horizontally, and this is one of such areas :

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You see? The future is same as the 2nd image.

I think this problem is beyond our hand in a democratic system though. I mean what options do we have? Are we going to rebuild these areas? If so, with what money? Moreover, it is impossible to destroy people's homes for such rebuild in first place. That is impossible to do politically and judicially in our system. Heck, we can't even demolish encroachments easily.

In an ideal world, every urban planning bureaucrat in India since 1990s should face charges for gross negligence of duties and their pension / benefits stopped.

As for solutions, I think our focus should be on beautifying such areas and cleaning them. But alas, we all know the civic sense of people. They are the first ones to make places dirty. Anyway, this should be our vision for them :

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Encroachments should be razed, lay proper sewage, build good quality roads, proper laying of electric wires, clean the areas etc etc. But we know, nothing is going to change.