Indian Economy

[ArjunMK1A]

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I wonder when will our subhuman municipal babus start to do even 1% of the work they are supposed to do. Indian cities are the absolute toilets of the world thanks to them. Out of hundreds of cities, you can count in 1 hand the number of them which are clean and have nice paved roads. Most of our cities are overgrown villages with a few shiny buildings in between. Our complete lack of urban investment + 0 accountability of municipal governance is killing probably 2-3% of gdp growth each year. Just making the cities clean with paved roads and footpaths, and banning honking will improve QOL multifold, but our babus can't even do that.

Crumbling infra, bad roads. Guy is talking about United shitdom where building anything will piss off the local khap panchayat bois.

Country will run irrespective of Goras cries.

 

[shuturmurg]

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It gets crazier.

Unfortunately, this clownery has pushed INR into the gutter for no reason at all.

I am tired of writing this but appointing lampposts to the cabinet DOES NOT HELP.

If true, this is monumental failure. Truly of govt. of babus with outside support of Mudi.

 

[shuturmurg]

What a way to karma firm, haha. But honestly, you want a great experience in India? Pay more! It is that simple. India's tourism industry does not depend on outsiders (unlike vietnam, kenya etc where domestic tourism is non existent and the industry takes pride in their ability of being budget friendly) - if the tourist does not spend he/she will be treated like nobodies - does not really matter if you are a foreigner or not.

If you want to cope, post how the gormint is falling well short of their own capex targets. Or how their divestment targets are so pitifully modest (proceeds of which can be spent on infra etc).

Not this! Too many cheapskates expect to be treated like royalty in here. Do not like it here? Do not come. It is not at all easy to secure or extend an Indian visa (unlike, Vietnam etc where tourists are prioritized) - assuming the user to be a genuine tourist (and not a larper), dafuq he/she was spending 3 years in a nation he/she didn't like for?

Paying more doesn't buy you clean air, clean roads, 0 harrasment, all shop keepers overcharging and stopping sexual harassment if you are woman.

 

[SKC]

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It gets crazier.

Unfortunately, this clownery has pushed INR into the gutter for no reason at all.

I am tired of writing this but appointing lampposts to the cabinet DOES NOT HELP.

More than Petro/Diesel, I am shocked to see the doubling of CNG prices in last 3-4 years. When we bought our first CNG car, CNG was around ~INR 47-48/KG. Now in 4 years it has almost doubled to INR 81/KG!!

Whichever fuel becomes popular, Babus double the price for that. I am 100% sure if EVs market rise above 15-20% then electricity prices will be doubled.​

 

[karn]

More than Petro/Diesel, I am shocked to see the doubling of CNG prices in last 3-4 years. When we bought our first CNG car, CNG was around ~INR 47-48/KG. Now in 4 years it has almost doubled to INR 81/KG!!

Whichever fuel becomes popular, Babus double the price for that. I am 100% sure if EVs market rise above 15-20% then electricity prices will be doubled.​

Already happening .. IN Mumbai you can only charge your EV car on commercial rate meters even if it is in a residential complex.

 

[Blademaster]

More than Petro/Diesel, I am shocked to see the doubling of CNG prices in last 3-4 years. When we bought our first CNG car, CNG was around ~INR 47-48/KG. Now in 4 years it has almost doubled to INR 81/KG!!

Whichever fuel becomes popular, Babus double the price for that. I am 100% sure if EVs market rise above 15-20% then electricity prices will be doubled.​

Well you ignored the effect of inflation and world events. Those prices you saw were during Covid times.

 

[ezsasa]

Well you ignored the effect of inflation and world events. Those prices you saw were during Covid times.

during early 2000's muricans sold the idea to GoI that CNG/LNG is the cheap transitionary fuel in the name of climate change mitigation, after creating a demand for it, now market calculations are being applied to it by the producing nations.

within India while one half of this issue is with non application of GST, other half of the story is about a broken "promise" which murican discourse conveniently brushes under the carpet.

 

[Nutcracker]

Gas prices are too volatile. Even more than crude oil. It's hovering about 2x of Covid era. It was indeed immaturity of GOI to let CNG vehicles roll. Our best bet is investing into developing high elec density Sodium phosphate batteries for EVs, and robust and cheap charging infrastructure.

 

[crazywithmath]

Paying more doesn't buy you clean air, clean roads,

For the billionth time, they should choose different destinations then.

We should push capex for our own betterment, not to seek gora validation or to seduce more foreign tourists.

Also, 'polluted air' is a feature of rapidly industrializing economies, not a bug (the geographical location of Delhi NCR only adds to it). One reason why goras shifted their polluting industries from their backyards. The moment you force tougher emission norms on your industry you lose the cost advantage. For all the shits the 'farmers' get, stubble burning is still a pretty minor contributor to the worsening air quality of NCR - there was this report on ToI that claimed that despite the reduced no of stubble burning incidents in the vicinity (a 45% reduction in the last few years), air quality improved only moderately (by about 6-7%).

0 harrasment, all shop keepers overcharging and stopping sexual harassment if you are woman.

This is bull.

India is not more crime prone than the average emerging economy. Heck, even the travel advisories they issue on us are standard boilerplate stuff and generally indistinguishable from the ones they issue for other lower/upper middle income developing nations.

 

[RedPhantom]

Already happening .. IN Mumbai you can only charge your EV car on commercial rate meters even if it is in a residential complex.

What if you have solar panels?

 

[Nutcracker]

What if you have solar panels?

Need massive roof about 50sqm + 4 lakh investmemt for 5-6kw solar setup to charges 50kWh battery 50% in whole day.

 

[karn]

What if you have solar panels?

This is for your municipal power co . They have no control over your private setup

 

[niks_12]

I wonder when will our subhuman municipal babus start to do even 1% of the work they are supposed to do. Indian cities are the absolute toilets of the world thanks to them. Out of hundreds of cities, you can count in 1 hand the number of them which are clean and have nice paved roads. Most of our cities are overgrown villages with a few shiny buildings in between. Our complete lack of urban investment + 0 accountability of municipal governance is killing probably 2-3% of gdp growth each year. Just making the cities clean with paved roads and footpaths, and banning honking will improve QOL multifold, but our babus can't even do that.

Gora validation aside (agree with the point that we shouldn’t do things to get their validation) but @bakofbakchod is right. Indian cities are very unliveable and we need to wake up to this reality.

My fam is in India and the younger ones in the family all have recurring cough / lung problems so does all the elders in the family. Same case with all neighbours. It seems COPD is a big thing among elderly right now in India and so is lung cancer.

They really don’t have to suffer like this and really painful to watch. The less said about city infra the better. And this goes for our super city Delhi as well. GDP growth rate and all are fine but we need sustained discipline and rigour in developing infra, education, and healthcare.

 

[angryindian]

Gora validation aside (agree with the point that we shouldn’t do things to get their validation) but @bakofbakchod is right. Indian cities are very unliveable and we need to wake up to this reality.

My fam is in India and the younger ones in the family all have recurring cough / lung problems so does all the elders in the family. Same case with all neighbours. It seems COPD is a big thing among elderly right now in India and so is lung cancer.

They really don’t have to suffer like this and really painful to watch. The less said about city infra the better. And this goes for our super city Delhi as well. GDP growth rate and all are fine but we need sustained discipline and rigour in developing infra, education, and healthcare.

What is the point of GDP growth when our cities and urban infrastructure do not meet upto the standards of even 3rd world cities? Economic growth has no meaning if you have to breathe and drink carcinogens all day. In 2017, I had a job offer in Kolkata with a 45% hike. I left that job and returned back to my old company within a week. In the seven days I spent in Kolkata, I had daily migraine attacks with chest pain and coughing.

 

[shuturmurg]

For the billionth time, they should choose different destinations then.

We should push capex for our own betterment, not to seek gora validation or to seduce more foreign tourists.

Also, 'polluted air' is a feature of rapidly industrializing economies, not a bug (the geographical location of Delhi NCR only adds to it). One reason why goras shifted their polluting industries from their backyards. The moment you force tougher emission norms on your industry you lose the cost advantage. For all the shits the 'farmers' get, stubble burning is still a pretty minor contributor to the worsening air quality of NCR - there was this report on ToI that claimed that despite the reduced no of stubble burning incidents in the vicinity (a 45% reduction in the last few years), air quality improved only moderately (by about 6-7%).



This is bull.

India is not more crime prone than the average emerging economy. Heck, even the travel advisories they issue on us are standard boilerplate stuff and generally indistinguishable from the ones they issue for other lower/upper middle income developing nations.

I am not talking general crime, I am speaking of specifically sexual harassment. Foreign tourists face much more sexual harassment in India, specifically in golden triangle (Delhi, Jaipur, Agra) is much much worse than ASEAN countries.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

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I wonder when will our subhuman municipal babus start to do even 1% of the work they are supposed to do. Indian cities are the absolute toilets of the world thanks to them. Out of hundreds of cities, you can count in 1 hand the number of them which are clean and have nice paved roads. Most of our cities are overgrown villages with a few shiny buildings in between. Our complete lack of urban investment + 0 accountability of municipal governance is killing probably 2-3% of gdp growth each year. Just making the cities clean with paved roads and footpaths, and banning honking will improve QOL multifold, but our babus can't even do that.

ah brown colieee (who wrote quora article)....so he loved india, if he get better facilities etc. so in cities he hv problem with 30-40 dollar (2550-3400 indian rupee) night charge in average rooms.
i still dont understand why loving nd hating a country based on their living standard or undeveloped atitude. developed countries r still producing more polution than india, even if they hv lesser population. so isnt they r creating more problem than india for nature, even if their country looked beautiful?? afterall they r consuming resources far more than avg indian, which production they sifted to produce in other countries, so their cities not get polluted.
according to 2021 data, more than 500000 people died in EU (so called developed country) from air pollution. mind u EU hv only 450 million population.

Toxic air killed more than 500,000 people in EU in 2021, data shows

European Environment Agency says half of deaths could have been avoided by cutting pollution to recommended limits

www.google.com

if i hv to criticize "any sizable country",,,, i can do it with different reasons. oh yeah we lack infrastructure, basic etiquettes, civic sense etc...but it still not crimes/sin, which u need to listen lecture about it. even if u want to lecture others for crimes etc, no one give u that right. there r 196 countries, go fuck anywhere u like. no one is giving invitation people like him, meanwhile he wasted our resources for 3 years. did any one ask him for his opinion?
i hv no intrest if anyone is coming in india or anyone going outside of india. coz both r effecting economy. we hv 1.4 billion population, even if other countries people dont come in india. i m more thankful , yeah it reduce tourism sector etc (but i dont care). ideally india should maximum 300 million population with its size nd resources in my opinion. only problem is sudden birth rate drop like in china nd demography changes. it should be decreased gradually without effecting demography.
puri duniya me problem hi ye hai ki solution batane wale bhut kam hai nd usse bhi kam us solution me kaam krne wale hai....jabki problem ginane wale millions me nd uska rona rone wale billions me hai.

 

[crazywithmath]

I am not talking general crime, I am speaking of specifically sexual harassment. Foreign tourists face much more sexual harassment in India, specifically in golden triangle (Delhi, Jaipur, Agra) is much much worse than ASEAN countries.

Any citation to back up this claim? I am yet to come across anything specific in the travel advisories - apart from the standard boilerplate templates where they ask travellers to ensure 'utmost caution' against strangers/stalkers/assaulters, avoid travels at secluded places etc and caution travellers against rapes and sexually motivated crimes (stuff that is near universal in a travel advisory).

For instance, here is a map depicting the Australian government's advice on travelling to other countries;

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Much of ASEAN, LatAm are painted yellow (along with India) - precisely why I claimed that phoren gormints generally do not consider India to be any more seriously crime prone than the avg emerging economy.

Here is the latest travel advisory the Australian govt issued on India;

https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/asia/india

According to which, their top concerns are terror attacks, violent demonstrations and armed clashes.

They do, however, mention sexual assaults and robberies - but only in the following sections - not at the top!

How many terror attacks or armed clashes have occurred in these past 5 years? Even in J&K? How many of them were carried out against tourists?

And yet, these are their top concerns in the latest travel advisory (not sexual assaults or robberies).

 

[GaudaNaresh]

I am not talking general crime, I am speaking of specifically sexual harassment. Foreign tourists face much more sexual harassment in India, specifically in golden triangle (Delhi, Jaipur, Agra) is much much worse than ASEAN countries.

sexual crimes are about 20 times lower per capita in India and most of Asia compared to the western world.
India literally has one of the lowest sexual crimes per capita figures in the world.

 

[Varoon4]

sexual crimes are about 20 times lower per capita in India and most of Asia compared to the western world.
India literally has one of the lowest sexual crimes per capita figures in the world.

I think this is true, but did you see how the Canadian media( large sections of it) villified India after that infamous Delhi rape in 2012? You would think India is just about the worst place for sexual assault. A small number of Indian media outlets( in the left, of course) joined in the chorus, stooping to label India ' rapistan'. Sick.

 

[crazywithmath]

sexual crimes are about 20 times lower per capita in India and most of Asia compared to the western world.
India literally has one of the lowest sexual crimes per capita figures in the world.

There is a standard copy-paste argument that keeps getting repeated to cast doubts on that piece of data - that, sexual assaults are disproportionately underreported in India compared to 'other nations'. Not that this argument has much literary basis but anyway....

In fact, India records more than 90% of its deaths accurately and records it on the AADHAR database - which immediately rules out the possibility of the existence of a significant no of unaccounted deaths which in turn suggests relatively low prevalence of violent crimes (including, but not limited to sexual assaults).

Lastly, reporting across Indian media is generally crime heavy (unlike gora media, which is politics/op-ed heavy). The Pune road rage incident stayed on news for weeks. Then there was that RG Kar incident. Now, the suicide of Atul Shubhash is making frontpage headlines in national dailies.

Think about this. If they (the phoren mideawallahs) started reporting every time a mass shooting incident takes place or a pedophile/pedophile ring is busted their front pages would run out of spaces. You are extremely unlikely to witness the kind of media trials, candle marches or activism over a hit and run case or a rape in goraland we are accustomed to in India.