Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[concard]

These morons should have given go ahead for Rafale Jets long ago. I am amazed by the sweet time they are taking on every damn thing. Right after Modi came to power in 2014, he immediately sanctioned funds for SSBNs. Since we already had knowledge about building Arihant, we were able to churn out 4 more SSBN's since then which will all be operational by 2027. Now with SSN, since we have no knowledge we are threading a dangerous path.

Chinese are churning out ships like cupcakes. We need more destroyers which can carry lot of air to ship missiles and air-air missiles. All our shipyards should be busy with ship building and submarine building until 2040. I hope they have plans for 100,000 tons aircraft carrier. I am not sure how much it is worth to have small aircraft carriers which can only handle around 30 Jets. Hopefully, by that time if we have a indigenous Jet Engine, we can go for huge aircraft carrier.

 

[ezsasa]

Numbers are not rounding up for me. It is exceeding 63

Ships which are under construction:

1. Samarthak class MPV = 02
2. Kalvari class SSK = 01
3. Visakhapatnam class DDG = 01
4. Nilgiri class FFG = 07
5. Talwar class FFG = 04
6. Mahe class ASWSWC = 08
7. Arnala class ASWSWC = 08
8. Sandhyak class SVL = 03
9. Nistar class DSV = 02
10. Diving Support Craft = 05
11. Fleet Support Ship = 05
12. Cadet Training Ship = 03
13. Next Generation OPV = 11
14. Next Generation Missile Vessel = 06
Total = 66

I have excluded the 02 P77 class SSNs.

his statement was on boats under construction in the country.
two of talwar class will come in russia's account, two in Indian shipyard's account.

that leaves one delta from your number.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Ships under construction is an apt parameter to judge shipbuilding capabilities.
But I think for atleast the top 5 navies, a better metric than ships under construction should be tonnage per cell for all surface combatant to better gauge the magazine depth.
The smaller the number, the better.

Class | Number | Ton | SSM | SAM | U-VLS

1. Vishakhapatnam | 4 | 7,400 | 16 | 32 | 0
2. Kolkata | 3 | 7,400 | 16 | 32 | 0
3.1 Delhi | 2 | 6,000 | 8 | 80 | 0
3.2 Delhi | 1 | 6,000 | 16 | 80 | 0
4.1 Rajput | 2 | 4,000 | 12 | 48 | 0
4.2 Rajput | 3 | 4,000 | 4 | 48 | 0
5. Shivalik | 3 | 6,200 | 8 | 56 | 0
6. Talwar | 10 | 3,850 | 8 | 24 | 0
7. Nilgiri | 7 | 6,600 | 8 | 32 | 0
8. Brahmaputra | 2 | 3,600 | 16 | 32 | 0
9. Kamorta | 4 | 3,300 | 0 | 32 | 0
10. Kora | 4 | 1,460 | 16 | 0 | 0
11. Khukri | 2 | 1,420 | 4 | 0 | 0
12.1 Veer | 5 | 455 | 4 | 0 | 0
12.2 Veer | 2 | 470 | 16 | 0 | 0
13. NGMV | 6 | 1,400 | 8 | 32 | 0
14. ASW-SWC | 16 | 800 | 0 | 0 | 0

Total | 76 | 2,46,595 | 544 | 1,720 | 0
• Tons for 1 SSM - 453t
• Tons for 1 SAM - 143t
• Tons for 1 U-VLS - _

NOTE : It's not an exhaustive list. And there may be errors in data or calculations; cross check it.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Just a follow up to this for some perspective on how this "cells fielded by surface vessels" look like when compared to our adversary

Let's compare our whole to just one, JUST ONE class of PLA-N ships.

Name | Number | Ton | SSM | SAM | U-VLS
1. Type-055 | 16 | 12,000 | 0-112 | 0-448 | 122
Total | 16 | 1,92,000 | 0-1,792 | 0-7,168 | 122

 

[jaijaganath]

View: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1863891425290797543


Imagine the sub's captain grabbing the collar of the fisherman and asking nikal dus crore

 

[VictorDelta4]

View: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1863891425290797543


Imagine the sub's captain grabbing the collar of the fisherman and asking nikal dus crore

Guess most likely only the Search Mast System was damaged.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Shitpost warning : Was getting bored so doodled this...a rough idea of how much overmatch we've yet to negate to even achieve parity

AShW

ADS

Land Attack

ASuW
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[Fatalis]

Shitpost warning : Was getting bored so doodled this...a rough idea of how much overmatch we've yet to negate to even achieve parity

AShW
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ADS
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Land Attack
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ASuW
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Man, great job.

My 2 cents on how in near future we are matching them on parity.

1. AShM:
900km and 1000km LDHCM

2. ADS:
250km range LRSAM

3. Land Attack:
1500km range LRLACM

4. ASuW:
RBU-6000ER = 24km and Shakti torpedo = 40km

 

[Ayan Barat]

Man, great job.

Thanks Mate

future

Par future ke saath dikkat ye hai ki ye saale Chini bhi to future me kuch na kuch karenge hi na, velle thode hi baithe rahenge

Even now there are some Chinese weapons that've already been tested and in every way it's possible to field them on the 55s but I didn't include them just to keep things fair. Some of the rumoured/in trail weapons
• CX-1; 850km ranged supersonic anti-ship cruise missile, the Chinese P-800
• YJ-12E; another supersonic anti-ship cruise missile with unknown range
• HQ-19; a THAAD/SM-3 like ≈2,000km ranged ABM

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/status/1863630540059857126?s=19


View: https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/status/1863983915511218364?s=19


View: https://youtu.be/4jrit63rugs?si=EzssC8qRUkvF2zA9

 

[mist_consecutive]

View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1864280644366340439

Interesting (but pathetic) camo

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://youtu.be/ISdtDRD5Bk8?si=hSK78hPw_cSTce3K

 

[randombully]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1864323479065039222

 

[rohitb3]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1864323479065039222

2024 - CCS approval nowhere in sight. lol
After CCS approval, actual funding will start after another year, following full fledged development and prototype design will start, will take another 2-3 years. Followed by prototype role out and finally first flight after another year or 2. And then about 8 years of Flight testing before final production.
Now estimate the timeline.

 

[samsaptaka]

View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1863493550769381381

Reeeee we are not spending moneey on weapons but on feeding bhuka nanga anti-national farmers, rohingyas, kanglus and jihadis while Pakistan is spending money on weapons it is soo unfair.

'Surprised' ! We were surprised when porkroaches retliated after balakot, surprised during kargil, surprised during Galwan...list is endless. Indian Govt and Armed forces...surprised always...GoI scratching always...

 

[samsaptaka]

2024 - CCS approval nowhere in sight. lol
After CCS approval, actual funding will start after another year, following full fledged development and prototype design will start, will take another 2-3 years. Followed by prototype role out and finally first flight after another year or 2. And then about 8 years of Flight testing before final production.
Now estimate the timeline.

IN was always disinterested in Tejas derived fighter, I am not sure if TEDBF (horrible name to begin with) will ever see the light of day

 

[randombully]

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IN was always disinterested in Tejas derived fighter, I am not sure if TEDBF (horrible name to begin with) will ever see the light of day

It's not a name TEDBF, twin engine deck based fighter is a designation, like "LCA" was a designation for tejas, LCH for prachand.

 

[FalconSlayers]

$7.5 billion for 26 airframes?

View: https://x.com/sneheshphilip/status/1864640673145655480

 

[randombully]

$7.5 billion for 26 airframes?

View: https://x.com/sneheshphilip/status/1864640673145655480

Most likely Airframes, maintenance, parts, training, missiles etc
Though still pretty expensive given we got all that but also 36 rafales for similar money.
But still naval rafale would be more expensive I guess plus Inflation.

 

[Ayan Barat]

$7.5 billion for 26 airframes?

View: https://x.com/sneheshphilip/status/1864640673145655480

Pretty much the street price of Rafale

> In August this year Serbia ordered 12 for $2.85 bn...per airframe, $0.23
> And according to this it's $7.5 bn for 26 for us...so per airframe, $0.28

Now as it's carrier capable it should be slightly expensive given the more tech involved and also lower economies of scale. But I get your point about the high cost and here are some points on that

• We are stupid. Period.
If we had ordered both these and the regular ones together then we'd have countered inflation and also would exercise some leverage in negotiations as it'd have been a significant order; 60+.

• Rafale (even more in the case of Typhoon and Gripen) sufferers from economies of scale. Even if we add up all the future orders then also the maximum figure is still around 600 airframes. It may sound big for a fighter but when we compare it with a 5th gen stealth fighter then it starts to make bit more sense

Not just ordered, 1000+ delivered

• Also we don't know how many missiles are being ordered in this tranche. Number of missiles are independent from the number of jets in an order but the price is added in it.