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In a preemptive strike case, we can launch 50 SMART missiles for anti submarine missions. these supersonic missiles hv 700 km range. In these missile shyena light torpedo is present, which seprate itself nd dive down in sea. then it can hunt down submarines (may be ships also) in 20 km range by its own sonars. so we can fire each SMART missiles in a area of 20 km distance. that make a dead zone of near 50×20= 1000 km for pakistani submarines near karachi port. dont know how many Pakistani subs survive by that type of attack.

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View: https://youtu.be/07HsvlJe_Oc?si=Ry1yX2_K-YoVRAin

SMART need it's own kill chain primarily relying on moored sonar & arrays in Arabian Sea (IOR) or detection by P8s. Once the LWT from SMART gets activated you don't want any friendly submarine close to the target as IN would have no control over LWT at that point of time.


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Does anyone know what kind of armament suite we can expect from P-76 class, given kalvari/scorpene can carry 18 exocet, IG about 8-10 brahmos, or 16 NASM-MR ?

Whatever deshi torpedoes are there and vertically launched brahmos/nirbhay me thinks.

NASM-MR maybe through torpedo tubes

US, Swedes, Ruskals etc moving to the vertical launch concept of multiple missiles with one cover

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If design was completed in 2020, and then navy chief said that first ssn would arrive by 2036, I am sorry to say, for the first time navy has disappointed so bad, 16 year gap between design finishing and induction is ridiculous
Nuclear Submarine are a whole different game dude, currently only PSU are devloping nuclear reactors and proulsions, everything hinges on these, now being a govt firm they will take thier, creating an nuclear reactor small and efficient enough to fit on a sub and remain operational in differing conditions is not easy, developing such reactor can easily take 10 years, from that perspective 2036 is not bad.
 
If design was completed in 2020, and then navy chief said that first ssn would arrive by 2036, I am sorry to say, for the first time navy has disappointed so bad, 16 year gap between design finishing and induction is ridiculous

CCS sat on the file and now there is the other delay of BARC developing the reactor

However the sem2sem reactor is going to be used for S5 SSBN and that is a strategic project so it could be development is already in progress for the S5.
 
So what's happening right now? Hull fabrication or just waiting for reactor.

Also if ssn design is complete which is much more complex then a ssbn, so I presume that s5 class design work is also complete or nearly complete.

If ccs can sit on such an important and strategic "nuclear sub" work for 4 years, then I am sure we have moles filled from top to bottom in MoD.
 
SMART need it's own kill chain primarily relying on moored sonar & arrays in Arabian Sea (IOR) or detection by P8s. Once the LWT from SMART gets activated you don't want any friendly submarine close to the target as IN would have no control over LWT at that point of time.


View: https://x.com/DefenceDecode/status/1940308049652056184

that is needed to target enemy submarine in a specific place with SMART missile. but i m talking about blind attack with 50 SMART missiles near karachi port in a all out war. each SMART missile's light torpedo can itself scan 20 km distance in sea after separation. so if we fire 50 SMART missiles in a 20 km distance each, we can build a 50×20=1000 km dead zone near karachi port. not only for submarine, but naval ships nd other commercial ships also. every Pakistani submarine in that big area in danger. this is i m talking about preemptive attack, so some pakistani submarines dont hv time to leave karachi port nearby areas. Using 50-100 SMART missiles to hunt some pakistani submarine in a starting of war is pretty good strategy. it also dont cost us that much. coz pakistani 8 upcoming submarine will be main headache for our navy.
 
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Apart from Brahmos and other radar guided AShM, IN should also procure Sea Breaker missiles as well. Apart from stealth shaping, they are also stealthy in the EM spectrum as they rely on IIR seeker and LPI datalink. USN is also being equipped with an equivalent missile (NSM).

They might be more precise and successful in attacking PN ships berthed in Karachi amongst civilian traffic.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teHaLvY42ao

NGMV is more in a missile boat category, IN is missing out on a ASuW focused light frigate concept (for Pakistan & Bangladesh). Something like the new Taiwanese designs:
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Apart from Brahmos and other radar guided AShM, IN should also procure Sea Breaker missiles as well. Apart from stealth shaping, they are also stealthy in the EM spectrum as they rely on IIR seeker and LPI datalink. USN is also being equipped with an equivalent missile (NSM).

They might be more precise and successful in attacking PN ships berthed in Karachi amongst civilian traffic.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teHaLvY42ao

NGMV is more in a missile boat category, IN is missing out on a ASuW focused light frigate concept (for Pakistan & Bangladesh). Something like the new Taiwanese designs:
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Yup, anti-surface warfare vessels are totally absent in Indian ships. All of them filled with BrahMos but where's Nirbhay?
 
Yup, anti-surface warfare vessels are totally absent in Indian ships. All of them filled with BrahMos but where's Nirbhay?

Stuck in testing trials saar.

supposedly it can launch out of the same VLS that brahmos launches from but for sure idk


btw anti-surface is basically these tomahawk type missiles, sea to ground targets
 
Stuck in testing trials saar.

supposedly it can launch out of the same VLS that brahmos launches from but for sure idk


btw anti-surface is basically these tomahawk type missiles, sea to ground targets
ASuW is anti-ship such as NASM or Harpoon.
 
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Other question though, what kind of ground based SAM systems does the Indian Navy have to defend itself? Because I haven't heard them getting any. They should think of getting some irrespective of geographical distance. Especially BMDs.
 
Other question though, what kind of ground based SAM systems does the Indian Navy have to defend itself? Because I haven't heard them getting any. They should think of getting some irrespective of geographical distance. Especially BMDs.
I don't think they have a dedicated land based SAM system. They have C-UAS and igla or maybe rely on a capital ship to defend their naval base, etc.

Or maybe IAF will provide point defense SAM like Spyder and BMD cover when required?

PN also don't have one yet but there is talk of them ordering Land Ceptors (commonality with CAMM-ER).
 
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Yup, anti-surface warfare vessels are totally absent in Indian ships. All of them filled with BrahMos but where's Nirbhay?
but nirbhay or its latest version dont hv antiship capability. they can only fit in our destroyers nd frigate for land attack purpuse. but we cant compromise 16 brahmos on destroyer nd 8 brahmos numbers in our frigate. we hv to build other space for additional VLS (inbuilt or open) to accomodate addtional missiles, specially in our destroyers. we should add 8 minimum -16 maximum nirbhay missiles for land attacks nd 16 minimum - 32 VLSRAM missiles for second layer defense for our destroyers nd frigate.

if we cant fit additional missile with inbuilt VLS....we should make delhi class destroyers like open VLS cells to fit additional missiles. may be it increases stealth. but more missiles r more important than increasing RCS of ships. images (19).webp
 
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but nirbhay or its latest version dont hv antiship capability. they can only fit in our destroyers nd frigate for land attack purpuse. but we cant compromise 16 brahmos on destroyer nd 8 brahmos numbers in our frigate. we hv to build other space for additional VLS (inbuilt or open) to accomodate addtional missiles, specially in our destroyers. we should add 8 minimum -16 maximum nirbhay missiles for land attacks nd 16 minimum - 32 VLSRAM missiles for second layer defense for our destroyers nd frigate.

if we cant fit additional missile with inbuilt VLS....we should make delhi class destroyers like open VLS cells to fit additional missiles. may be it increases stealth.
There will be a common VLS for Nirbhay and Brahmos. When that is ready , Nirbhay will be on ships but I think it will take a long time for that , it's not a priority at this point with the work mainly on the land launched versions going on now.

And that's a sensible approach , we don't need the Navy to do deep land attacks at Pakistan and the Navy cannot do that at China .
 
I don't think they have a dedicated land based SAM system. They have C-UAS and igla or maybe rely on a capital ship to defend their naval base, etc.

Or maybe IAF will provide point defense SAM like Spyder or BMD cover when required?

PN also don't have one yet but there is talk of them ordering Land Ceptors (commonality with CAMM-ER).
They ultimately will have to get some to defend their bases from PLAN bombers firing long range cruise missiles and HGVs. AD-AH is still a long way out.
 
There will be a common VLS for Nirbhay and Brahmos. When that is ready , Nirbhay will be on ships but I think it will take a long time for that , it's not a priority at this point with the work mainly on the land launched versions going on now.

And that's a sensible approach , we don't need the Navy to do deep land attacks at Pakistan and the Navy cannot do that at China .
we should not decrease 16 number of brahmos from our destroyers. coz they can do both antiship nd land attacks. if we decrease brahmos number nd put some nirbhay on it. then our anti ship capability decreases, coz nirbhay cant do antiship missions. although we get near 1000-1500 km long ground attack capability. but i think for ships antiship capability is more important. coz we hv limited platforms from sea to target enemy ships. so nirbhay should only include in our destroyer nd frigate if we can make space for additional missiles on open VLS cells. like delhi class destroyer hv.
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by looking space in delhi class,,, we can fit 2-3 more VLS cells on it. that will increase its 8 brahmos number to 16 brahmos. same type of setup we can add on our destroyers (Kolkata nd vishakhapatnam) nd frigate (shivalik nd nilgiri class). that will increase missile numbers in our destroyers nd frigate.
 
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They ultimately will have to get some to defend their bases from PLAN bombers firing long range cruise missiles and HGVs. AD-AH is still a long way out.
DF-21 and DF-26 are more likely. YJ-21 has a range of 1000-1500km, unlikely their H-6s will venture out so far to launch these at mainland naval infrastructure except for maybe Andaman islands.

PDV mk1 & mk2, AD 2 and AD 1 should have the capability to deal with these threats. DF-17 is a challenge and might need to wait for AD-AH to provide a credible defense against that.
 
Apart from Brahmos and other radar guided AShM, IN should also procure Sea Breaker missiles as well. Apart from stealth shaping, they are also stealthy in the EM spectrum as they rely on IIR seeker and LPI datalink. USN is also being equipped with an equivalent missile (NSM).

They might be more precise and successful in attacking PN ships berthed in Karachi amongst civilian traffic.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teHaLvY42ao

NGMV is more in a missile boat category, IN is missing out on a ASuW focused light frigate concept (for Pakistan & Bangladesh). Something like the new Taiwanese designs:


ASuW is anti-ship such as NASM or Harpoon.

Ok, I assumed you were talking about land attack.

Anyway your light frigate concept is stuck on us not having that type of missile

Even on NGMV 4x Brahmos is used

NASM-MR is being developed for this purpose, cheap subsonic SSM on the lines of Harpoon/Exocet.

Perhaps the current Kora class corvette may be replaced by a larger 3-4k ton light frigate like you describe if the Admirals go that way and ofc if NASM-MR is inducted

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Kora class has 16x Kh-35 SSMs

If NASM-MR doesn't work out and if we have to impoort, options are this same Kh-35, Exocet, Gabriel V( israel ).
 

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