Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

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If you were a navy operating an LHD like this, why would you operate something like F35B over some attack helicopter like the Apache or Bell Viper ?
What benefit does STOVL jet provide over attack chopper, or any other speshul variety like AWS Choppa or even extra transport choppers so you don't have to be dependent on the hovercrafts/landing boats?

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Currently f 35B can only carry air to air missiles internally and with it's short range it can't go far from fleet, but it can protect the fleet from enemy's fighter jets, by taking them down.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Currently f 35B can only carry air to air missiles internally and with it's short range it can't go far from fleet

F-35B dropping Small Diameter Bomb from its internal weapons bay

F-35B dropping Big Diameter Bomb from its internal weapons bay


Yaar, your name is bully and from the last couple of messages you're continuously getting bullied by me. Kya gunda banega re tu

Also the combat radius of F-35B is more than 800km; way less than what's norm on heavy fighters but to get more accurate idea you need to compare it to other VTOL fighters, especially the one that got replaced by F-35B.
Harriers had a combat radius of more than 500km.

A F-35B armed with JSM can engage a target 1,200km away from its Carrier Strike Group.

If you were a navy operating an LHD like this, why would you operate something like F35B over some attack helicopter like the Apache or Bell Viper ?

Now answering this
LHD's are supposed to have everything of their own. The helis would clear the beach, then LCACs would deliver troops and equipment all while helis would provide close air support and during the transit to the beach the F-35B would provide CAP against enemy naval strike fighters. Definitely you'd have other ships and air cover, but on paper a LHD is supposed to be "self sufficient"

But this concept of "Helicopter carrier" was designed when helicopters were the hottest thing in the market and people generally hated Harrier (only available VTOL at that time). But currently attack helicopters are slowly losing their edge against UAVs and F-35B is proving to be a formidable fighter despite being VTOL. So that's why you see countries like Japan just naming their "vessels" helicopter carrier but using them as full fledged VTOL aircraft carrier.

 

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F-35B dropping Small Diameter Bomb from its internal weapons bay
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F-35B dropping Big Diameter Bomb from its internal weapons bay
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Yaar, your name is bully and from the last couple of messages you're continuously getting bullied by me. Kya gunda banega re tu

Also the combat radius of F-35B is more than 800km; way less than what's norm on heavy fighters but to get more accurate idea you need to compare it to other VTOL fighters, especially the one that got replaced by F-35B.
Harriers had a combat radius of more than 500km.

A F-35B armed with JSM can engage a target 1,200km away from its Carrier Strike Group.


Now answering this
LHD's are supposed to have everything of their own. The helis would clear the beach, then LCACs would deliver troops and equipment all while helis would provide close air support and during the transit to the beach the F-35B would provide CAP against enemy naval strike fighters. Definitely you'd have other ships and air cover, but on paper a LHD is supposed to be "self sufficient"

But this concept of "Helicopter carrier" was designed when helicopters were the hottest thing in the market and people generally hated Harrier (only available VTOL at that time). But currently attack helicopters are slowly losing their edge against UAVs and F-35B is proving to be a formidable fighter despite being VTOL. So that's why you see countries like Japan just naming their "vessels" helicopter carrier but using them as full fledged VTOL aircraft carrier.

My guy, I was talking in carrier battle role
F35 b is currently not capable of carrying antiship missile in its internal weapons bay, though it's being integrated and will start to carry it in future.
So in this same carries battle role, it can only carry air to air missile to protect the fleet.
And that 800km is max range, when it's taking off using the small ramp of heli carrier with payload inside it's bay, it combat radius range will barely reach 500km.

 

[Ayan Barat]

My guy, I was talking in carrier battle role
F35 b is currently not capable of carrying antiship missile in its internal weapons bay, though it's being integrated and will start to carry it in future.
So in this same carries battle role, it can only carry air to air missile to protect the fleet.
And that 800km is max range, when it's taking off using the small ramp of heli carrier with payload inside it's bay, it combat radius range will barely reach 500km.

I've already mentioned that...

A F-35B armed with JSM can engage a target 1,200km away from its Carrier Strike Group.

...but still.

Anyways

 

[randombully]

I've already mentioned that...

...but still.

Anyways
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Those plans can take few months to few years to integrate.
So far only f35C of US navy has been seen with an anti ship missile, that too on its external pylons not in internal bay.

 

[Ayan Barat]

So far only f35C of US navy has been seen with an anti ship missile, that too on its external pylons not in internal bay.

हार नहीं मानूंगा, रार नहीं ठानूंगा
काल के कपाल पर लिखता मिटाता हूं
गीत नया गाता हूं।
- you probably

 

[randombully]

That

हार नहीं मानूंगा, रार नहीं ठानूंगा
काल के कपाल पर लिखता मिटाता हूं
गीत नया गाता हूं।
- you probably
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हार नहीं मानूंगा, रार नहीं ठानूंगा
काल के कपाल पर लिखता मिटाता हूं
गीत नया गाता हूं।
- you probably
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That's a protype, the production of this missile is gonna start at around 2027.
Currently LRASM is the only "developed and in use" anti ship missile that f35 has been seen with in its external pylon, and only the f 35C variant is seen with it
There's no news about f35B being integrated with LRASM.
Most logical choice will be to integrate f35b with a much lighter joint strike missile but again it's not in production yet.

 

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F-35B dropping Small Diameter Bomb from its internal weapons bay
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F-35B dropping Big Diameter Bomb from its internal weapons bay
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Yaar, your name is bully and from the last couple of messages you're continuously getting bullied by me. Kya gunda banega re tu

Also the combat radius of F-35B is more than 800km; way less than what's norm on heavy fighters but to get more accurate idea you need to compare it to other VTOL fighters, especially the one that got replaced by F-35B.
Harriers had a combat radius of more than 500km.

A F-35B armed with JSM can engage a target 1,200km away from its Carrier Strike Group.


Now answering this
LHD's are supposed to have everything of their own. The helis would clear the beach, then LCACs would deliver troops and equipment all while helis would provide close air support and during the transit to the beach the F-35B would provide CAP against enemy naval strike fighters. Definitely you'd have other ships and air cover, but on paper a LHD is supposed to be "self sufficient"

But this concept of "Helicopter carrier" was designed when helicopters were the hottest thing in the market and people generally hated Harrier (only available VTOL at that time). But currently attack helicopters are slowly losing their edge against UAVs and F-35B is proving to be a formidable fighter despite being VTOL. So that's why you see countries like Japan just naming their "vessels" helicopter carrier but using them as full fledged VTOL aircraft carrier.

Is pic related style normal take off landing drone halal if you are a country that cannot get F35Bs but still has an LHD with a short ramp?
For the CAP purposes of defeating enemy fighters

It doesn't seem big enough like a piloted fighter though so idk what it can carry

 

[Ayan Barat]

That


That's a protype, the production of this missile is gonna start at around 2027.
Currently LRASM is the only "developed and in use" anti ship missile that f35 has been seen with in its external pylon, and only the f 35C variant is seen with it
There's no news about f35B being integrated with LRASM.
Most logical choice will be to integrate f35b with a much lighter joint strike missile but again it's not in production yet.

I can go on and type a long post to answer this post of yours and then you'd come up with another absurd claim. So I guess it's better for me to just leave

Sorry to say but you're giving me some serious Kung Lun Dragon vibes from DFI

 

[randombully]

I can go on and type a long post to answer this post of yours and then you'd come up with another absurd claim. So I guess it's better for me to just leave

Sorry to say but you're giving me some serious Kung Lun Dragon vibes from DFI

US Air Force orders first JSM lot for F-35A fighters - Airforce Technology

The US Air Force has selected the Norwegian Joint Strike Missile as an internal strike capability for the F-35A fleet.

www.airforce-technology.com

US airforce ordered first lot of the this missile in middle of this year's, and delivery will start by roughly 2027, so nothings absurd about it.
And until delivery starts f35 does not have joint strike missile in its arsenal.
Also this order is for f35 "A".