Indian Politics and Democracy

[Vishnugupt]

Jitni Aabadi Utna Haq and Khata Khat Khata Khat get votes.
What else should they do?

Modi will not lose election due to losing the Liberal votes but by losing his core voters.

Modi is losing his core voters very fast. Remember Minorities, Yadav and Jatav votes to those who greets them with

 

[crazywithmath]

Modi will not lose election due to losing the Liberal votes but by losing his core voters.

Modi is losing his core voters very fast. Remember Minorities, Yadav and Jatav votes to those who greets them with

Modi won't lose his 'core' voters over an experimental state funded internship programme. Strictly speaking, this is a govt funded technical education programme - the govt is paying some companies to scout for 'interns' and train them. Of course, the standard reservation policies would apply! Don't confuse it with that PLI scheme thingy (where companies are incentivized for their production).

In reality, the 'core' BJP voter won't even think of voting for the opposition - the reason why they tend to retain bulk of their voteshare election after election (irrespective of the results). Also, Indian 'liberals' are a tiny minority, their votes do not mean much.

 

[Screambowl]

Supreme court adds CBI officers along with SIT in Tirupati laddu case. Ohk so now Amit Shah will tell Chandrababu Naidu that fall in line or false case will be put against you for making Laddu issue in Tirupati when everything is fine.

Tirupati laddus row: Supreme Court substitutes SIT to include CBI

Supreme Court replaces Andhra Pradesh SIT with CBI officers in Tirupati laddu case to address public sentiments.

www.thehindu.com

waah beta sanatan dharmio ..

 

[Prasad]

Supreme court adds CBI officers along with SIT in Tirupati laddu case. Ohk so now Amit Shah will tell Chandrababu Naidu that fall in line or false case will be put against you for making Laddu issue in Tirupati when everything is fine.

Tirupati laddus row: Supreme Court substitutes SIT to include CBI

Supreme Court replaces Andhra Pradesh SIT with CBI officers in Tirupati laddu case to address public sentiments.

www.thehindu.com

waah beta sanatan dharmio ..

SC gives the judgement.

Abduls wanting to abuse Hindus with madrassa knowledge link it to BJP and Shah and abuse hindus once again.

Abdul, give us some credit. We know what SC giving judgement means.
Good try though but go back to your madrassa and get some better shit.

 

[Screambowl]

SC gives the judgement.

Abduls wanting to abuse Hindus with madrassa knowledge link it to BJP and Shah and abuse hindus once again.

Abdul, give us some credit. We know what SC giving judgement means.
Good try though but go back to your madrassa and get some better shit.

Tell that to people in Ayodhya who exposed Amit Shah and Modi and few other BJP top leaders.

To benefit a few businessmen who were no even from Ayodhya, these Bhajpians demolished the houses of many Hindus in Ayodhya, gave business to people who were out of Ayodhya after repeated warning from Yogi Adityanath. They ignored Yogi as well.

What kind of Ramrajya is this ??

 

[truthsoldier]

Modi won't lose his 'core' voters over an experimental state funded internship programme. Strictly speaking, this is a govt funded technical education programme - the govt is paying some companies to scout for 'interns' and train them. Of course, the standard reservation policies would apply! Don't confuse it with that PLI scheme thingy (where companies are incentivized for their production).

In reality, the 'core' BJP voter won't even think of voting for the opposition - the reason why they tend to retain bulk of their voteshare election after election (irrespective of the results). Also, Indian 'liberals' are a tiny minority, their votes do not mean much.

A bad precedent has been set ...now every scheme that govt provides to private sector will carry similar expectations. Now opposition or govt itself will start demanding/handing out quota for giving incentives to private companies. I see in near future a politician demanding quota in industry supported by PLIs...its coming very soon

 

[Anants]

Modi won't lose his 'core' voters over an experimental state funded internship programme. Strictly speaking, this is a govt funded technical education programme - the govt is paying some companies to scout for 'interns' and train them. Of course, the standard reservation policies would apply! Don't confuse it with that PLI scheme thingy (where companies are incentivized for their production).

In reality, the 'core' BJP voter won't even think of voting for the opposition - the reason why they tend to retain bulk of their voteshare election after election (irrespective of the results). Also, Indian 'liberals' are a tiny minority, their votes do not mean much.

This scheme and reservation mimics american internship and affirmative action. Actually this is good. Internship was need of hour.

 

[Prasad]

Tell that to people in Ayodhya who exposed Amit Shah and Modi and few other BJP top leaders.

To benefit a few businessmen who were no even from Ayodhya, these Bhajpians demolished the houses of many Hindus in Ayodhya, gave business to people who were out of Ayodhya after repeated warning from Yogi Adityanath. They ignored Yogi as well.

What kind of Ramrajya is this ??

Abdul jumping from one shit to another.

SC judgement = Amit Shah doing it.

Madrassa clowns think we hindus are stupid.
Come on Abdul, bring your A game.
this is just Abdul's sucking pigs teat kind of shit.

 

[Azaad]

This scheme and reservation mimics american internship and affirmative action. Actually this is good. Internship was need of hour.

It could also act as a safety valve against demands for reservations in the Pvt sector. The logic being some amount of those apprenticing in these Pvt sector cos are bound to be absorbed therefore technically it's a kind of reservation.

In any case reservations across the board will be opposed tooth & nail by the Pvt sector. Since they control the purse strings of all those political parties , the project itself is still born.

This project should be seen for what it is - an attempt to preempt the demand for full spectrum reservations across the Pvt sector. Modi's showing some of the shrewdness he did in the first & early part of the second term minus the hubris & arrogance which accompanied the latter part of his second term especially the period immediately before the general elections.

 

[altruistRor]

Modi won't lose his 'core' voters over an experimental state funded internship programme. Strictly speaking, this is a govt funded technical education programme - the govt is paying some companies to scout for 'interns' and train them. Of course, the standard reservation policies would apply! Don't confuse it with that PLI scheme thingy (where companies are incentivized for their production).

In reality, the 'core' BJP voter won't even think of voting for the opposition - the reason why they tend to retain bulk of their voteshare election after election (irrespective of the results). Also, Indian 'liberals' are a tiny minority, their votes do not mean much.

Yes.. BJP won't lose its core voters.. Just bcoz we hate Cong beyond words and have a good memory to recall the old Cong days..

And as said, with all criticism we do to BJP which some people here pronounce as Abdulgiri or chamchagiri, again voted for BJP this morning.

But with all these "pilot" projects, they are definitely losing the borderline voters.

Assuming it as a safety valve or experiment.. would be grossly wrong. Such things do not work in democratic India. Once it's started, it's started. Reservation was also a temporary thing but it stayed. Kejriwal brought freebies model in Delhi, now its mainstreamed. Each election every party tries to outdo the previous freebies' model.

Now its been introduced, expect few other state govts to implement similar schemes, it doesn't has to be a full time employment. Full time employment would be the last bet, when everything else stop appeasing those people; not something coming in next 1 decade.

These "pilot" internship, part-time, temporary models will definitely become mainstream by 2029 at least.

 

[Prasad]

And as said, with all criticism we do to BJP which some people here pronounce as Abdulgiri or chamchagiri, again voted for BJP this morning.

Since it is directed at me, let me make it clear.
A lot of people criticize BJP and I do it at times as well.

I only call take out the Abdul card for special people writing special posts.
It's not their criticism of BJP that warrants that but the other things contained in their posts.

 

[Viktor]

waah beta sanatan dharmio ..

What sanatan dharmio have to do with this.
Are you equating them to the corrupt bastards who do all the ill wills under the guise of religions, same propaganda leftshit islamo-commie crotch spawns do.

 

[Sanatani]

Supreme court adds CBI officers along with SIT in Tirupati laddu case. Ohk so now Amit Shah will tell Chandrababu Naidu that fall in line or false case will be put against you for making Laddu issue in Tirupati when everything is fine.

Tirupati laddus row: Supreme Court substitutes SIT to include CBI

Supreme Court replaces Andhra Pradesh SIT with CBI officers in Tirupati laddu case to address public sentiments.

www.thehindu.com

waah beta sanatan dharmio ..

So you are saying that Supreme Court/Judiciary works on instructions of Amit Shah. Aur Sanatan dharmio ko isme kheenchne ka koi kaaran ? You sure you are not a rice bag or Kati lulli ?

 

[Azaad]

Yes.. BJP won't lose its core voters.. Just bcoz we hate Cong beyond words and have a good memory to recall the old Cong days..

And as said, with all criticism we do to BJP which some people here pronounce as Abdulgiri or chamchagiri, again voted for BJP this morning.

But with all these "pilot" projects, they are definitely losing the borderline voters.

Assuming it as a safety valve or experiment.. would be grossly wrong. Such things do not work in democratic India. Once it's started, it's started. Reservation was also a temporary thing but it stayed. Kejriwal brought freebies model in Delhi, now its mainstreamed. Each election every party tries to outdo the previous freebies' model.

Now its been introduced, expect few other state govts to implement similar schemes, it doesn't has to be a full time employment. Full time employment would be the last bet, when everything else stop appeasing those people; not something coming in next 1 decade.

These "pilot" internship, part-time, temporary models will definitely become mainstream by 2029 at least.

The private sector runs on the principle of profit which is ensured by merit which can't be accomplished if they compromise on it. Anything otherwise & It's a sureshot recipe for disaster as companies implementing DEI directives are discovering in the west .

Why should it be the opposite out here ? GoI can continue its inefficiencies in the way it functions coz it doesn't function on the principle of profit but welfare - the opposite of the principle of profit & which is the reason we've elections . To hold them accountable & boot them out if they've failed to deliver or to reward them with another term if they do deliver .

The equivalent for a Pvt sector would be AGMs & Board Meetings. If any idea or person is dysfunctional , he's fired & rectifications made which can't be done to the bureaucracy ( at least not en masse as of the present ) but to the executive.

 

[ezsasa]

This scheme and reservation mimics american internship and affirmative action. Actually this is good. Internship was need of hour.

for almost two decades commie economist NGOs were peddling half truths about unemployment rates in the country, when they kept throwing at us unemployment percentages, what they deliberately de-amplified is that unemployment rates for age group above 30 years of age is between 1 to 3% which is normal, most of the unemployment numbers are coming from age group 18-29 . this is the data point that rahul gandhi and his advisors tried to capitalise during 24 elections.

many theories are being floated why 18-29 unemployment rate is high, could be that youth does not find starting salary attractive, or they are spending their youth preparing for govt jobs which have 99% failure rate worthwhile, or they don't have the skill.

skills part the central gormint tried to address in the first two terms, now they are focussing on apprenticeship program.

if central gormint is partially funding any program, constitutional mandate of reservations always comes into play. even if they don't give it, someone one is bound to go to supreme court and get it done.

a personal anecdote, while in college a close friend of mine had ambitions of becoming IPS officer, so naturally he chose the path of going thru the group 1 preparations rigour. i chose the path of job immediately after college. 15 years later, on a project his father ended up becoming by colleague. he on the other hand, because he tried all his attempts joined late into work force, and the trajectory there after.

 

[Azaad]

So you are saying that Supreme Court/Judiciary works on instructions of Amit Shah. Aur Sanatan dharmio ko isme kheenchne ka koi kaaran ? You sure you are not a rice bag or Kati lulli ?

He's Screambowl in his usual normal Avatar. Believe me you don't want to see him in his abnormal Avatar which starts post 2 am like that of Aghoris. In fact I'd argue he's the Aghori of the forum world. There's not been a single forum - desi or videshi who've not been subjected to his prakop. Alakh Niranjan !

 

[Anants]

a personal anecdote, while in college a close friend of mine had ambitions of becoming IPS officer, so naturally he chose the path of going thru the group 1 preparations rigour. i chose the path of job immediately after college. 15 years later, on a project his father ended up becoming by colleague. he on the other hand, because he tried all his attempts joined late into work force, and the trajectory there after.

Mine is bit different. Junior colleagues who joined one of my previous companies.. waited for their Trainee period contract to over while preparing for Bank PO , Police or other exams like GRE, CAT or GMAT or ILETS. If they cracked even one of the exams or got even a post of Clerk in Govt Job - they happily ditched KB service sector industry. Why? They preferred security of Govt Job over uncertainties in pvt sector. Thing is untill Pvt sector employees are not secured by Social Security net - Govt Jobs are going to remain lucrative and an aspiration for masses More so when Old pension scheme has come back in various forms.

 

[Azaad]

Mine is bit different. Junior colleagues who joined one of my previous companies.. waited for their Trainee period contract to over while preparing for Bank PO , Police or other exams like GRE, CAT or GMAT or ILETS. If they cracked even one of the exams or got even a post of Clerk in Govt Job - they happily ditched KB service sector industry. Why? They preferred security of Govt Job over uncertainties in pvt sector.

Thing is untill Pvt sector employees are not secured by Social Security net - Govt Jobs are going to remain lucrative and an aspiration for masses More so when Old pension scheme has come back in various forms.

The only antidote to it is massive industrialization in those areas. Typically industrial zones around independence or even later were mostly focused in the west & east of the country.

Since independence the east withered & the south took over with no change whatsoever in the fortunes of the north save Delhi & the NCR. It's only now that you're seeing development flow from NCR to surrounding areas .

The heartening news is industrial development in UP. Whoever takes over from YA should maintain the tempo. That's the only way you break the monotony of the thought process there.

Arguably this is what you saw in China in the the 1990s. SOE's downsized or shut down , the PLA downsized , millions were unemployed overnight , yet there were no mass upheaval. Most of them were absorbed by the Pvt sector.

The PSU & state or central administrations can't continue the way they have in the past . The entire sector is too bloated & unproductive. They'd have to cut the flab & that includes PSBs. This has to be accompanied by parallel industrialization . That's the only way forward.

 

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[Anants]

The only antidote to it is massive industrialization in those areas. Typically industrial zones around independence or even later were mostly focused in the west & east of the country.

Since independence the east withered & the south took over with no change whatsoever in the fortunes of the north save Delhi & the NCR. It's only now that you're seeing development flow from NCR to surrounding areas .

The industrialization in West esp Punjab - is totally due to enterprising Arora,Khatri/Bhappe and Bania community of Punjab. Infact many bore brunt of Partition and yet it was in their tradition to setup business especially SME and MSE's and they succeeded. Just small example - read about MDH. Khali antics forced them to move away to places like Maharashtra or in other states and all industrial strength built flew away. State and Centre always from start focused on agriculture. Industrialization was always looked down as poonjiwaad. Can you tell any Heavy PSU's setup in West? Or how much Rail lines were laid in west compared to say east or south?

Nehru hated Punjabi migrants. There is a lore of how Gandhi and Nehru went to them to move back to Pakistan or vacate properties only to be manhandled by them. Khali problem from nuisance became monster due to Congi politics. This is the same mentality which is causing Cong to court extreme leftists, khali or even malsis. So its not just east withered.. west withered too, Ask your Father.. he will tell how till 50-60's people looked for Made in Calcutta label for quality products.

South had advantages of top edge Knowledge intitutes being setup at the very first - IISC, TIFR, HAL, IIT, etc. They are reaping benefits now.

China model cannot be implemented in India - simply India cant shove shoot or hide unemployed people. China model sustains as Chinese people are just too happy from dire conditions they lived under Mao. As current and Next generation comes in - you will start to see social tensions on rise.