Indian Politics and Democracy

[DingDong]

Kaise Kaise memes banate hain log :


View: https://x.com/Ra_Bies/status/1845448106369786175

This one:


View: https://x.com/AlphaVictorVA/status/1845877883363119441

 

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Maharashtra, Jharkhand Assembly election dates out, result on November 23

While Maharashtra will go to polls in a single phase on November 20, Jharkhand will vote in two phases on November 13 and 20. The results will be declared on November 23.

www.indiatoday.in

Muhurats are out for elections.

MH single phase on Nov 20th

Jharkhand 2 phase on Nov 13th,Nov 20th

Results on 23rd Nov.


Looks like Bhajipaos confident of winning MH or atleast being close to majority mark.

Maharashtra CM Announces Diwali Bonus For Mumbai Civic Body Staff, Others Ahead of Poll Announcement - News18

The announcement comes minutes ahead of Election Commission of India's (ECI) announcement of schedule of Maharashtra legislative assembly elections.

www.news18.com

In other news before the Elections i think E&D will blow the entire state treasury on bonus, free this and free that

 

[Azaad]

let me expand on this debate about accountability.

everyone wants accountability, how many even know enough about any system to correctly deduce an anomaly or even appreciate ongoing efforts to improve systems.

take the case of sanjeev sanyal. folks who are into govt accountability, how many of them are even aware of what he has been doing, the concept he calls "process reforms". i am sure there are more like him within gormint, but his job profile allows him to talk about it.

when something obvious goes wrong, discourse immediately becomes about accountability. but the same level of enthusiasm is not shown, when efforts are being taken to solve problems. unfortunately these sort of improvements in the system cannot be explained in terms of lowest common denominator, they tend to be dry subjects which won't trigger any harmones except boredom.

on the other hand, climate change is actually a very boring subject, it's timeframes are multifold longer than watching grass grow. yet commies found a way to trigger harmones using climate change as a tropic of discussion, by using crooked methods ofcourse.

this is to say, if accountability is such a important issue, folks who see themselves as being on the positive side of dharma, also need to find ways and means, to get the public enthused about the process and efforts to improve processes as well.

But process reforms of the kind Sanyal is initiating ought to be part & parcel of any systems audit - public or pvt on a regular basis . That someone finally is looking into it from the government's side - should that provoke relief from us or questions as to why did it take a government literally forever to look into the obvious ? And that's been a bane for administrations around the world.

Besides isn't what Sanyal looking into got more to do with doing away with over regulations than plugging loop holes though the latter could feature too in his agenda.

Unfortunately you seem to be conflating plugging of a loophole with genuine problem solving due to over regulating a system. I'd propose regular audits of a system as a feature to be included at the stage of drafting of a bill to do away with such anomalies as described in my post which triggered off this exchange.

Yet how many governments undertake such measures ? This isn't to say no checks & balances occur else we'd never discover most of the scams the world over including in India.

Actually around the time the RTI was being framed there was a small movement which wanted the RTI movement to focus more on local self governments than an omnibus act which they felt was too ambitious in its scope , may be threatening to the powers that be & hence doomed to fail. Fortunately the RTI was made into a legislation but unfortunately that's where things stopped .

 

[ezsasa]

But process reforms of the kind Sanyal is initiating ought to be part & parcel of any systems audit - public or pvt on a regular basis . That someone finally is looking into it from the government's side - should that provoke relief from us or questions as to why did it take a government literally forever to look into the obvious ? And that's been a bane for administrations around the world.

Besides isn't what Sanyal looking into got more to do with doing away with over regulations than plugging loop holes though the latter could feature too in his agenda.

Unfortunately you seem to be conflating plugging of a loophole with genuine problem solving due to over regulating a system. I'd propose regular audits of a system as a feature to be included at the stage of drafting of a bill to do away with such anomalies as described in my post which triggered off this exchange.

Yet how many governments undertake such measures ? This isn't to say no checks & balances occur else we'd never discover most of the scams the world over including in India.

Actually around the time the RTI was being framed there was a small movement which wanted the RTI movement to focus more on local self governments than an omnibus act which they felt was too ambitious in its scope , may be threatening to the powers that be & hence doomed to fail. Fortunately the RTI was made into a legislation but unfortunately that's where things stopped .

it's not binary. it's not the case that nothing happens in other governance systems. audits and committee reports do happen, and actions are taken based on audits and reports. but someone dedicated for improving processes across the board full time is rare. IAS babus at best can look into their own department during their tenure.

 

[Viktor]

69 IQ move

View: https://x.com/IndianTechGuide/status/1846023197021327543

 

[Azaad]

it's not binary. it's not the case that nothing happens in other governance systems. audits and committee reports do happen, and actions are taken based on audits and reports. but someone dedicated for improving processes across the board full time is rare. IAS babus at best can look into their own department during their tenure.

I would rather this move be initiated by the PMO than Sanyal & it be institutionalised within our administrative framework such that every 5 years the entire system is audited & rectifications made .

That's one of my grouses against the current system. At times Arun Shourie seems almost prophetic when he declared way back in 2014-15 that the BJP government would be Congress + cow not in the way he intended it obviously for he made that sardonic statement as a put down yet there's a reality to it that in retrospect seems rather startling

For apart from providing good governance there seems to be almost zero reformist impulses by this government .


View: https://youtu.be/DY32QPVuqw4?si=RMPY6s0XWJdIvRyC

I happened to watch this podcast a couple of days ago with Rajrishi Singhal a veteran journalist on the state of our economy especially since the liberalisation.He's of the opinion that corruption has now been institutionalised. I find it hard to dispute this for though we haven't seen any corruption at the centre , at the state level it's business as usual.

Catch up on that podcast if you can. The interviewer is dumb but the interviewee does a good job summarising the journey without any political biases informing his opinion.

 

[Azaad]

'Farmers created mahaul for Congress, but...': BKU chief blasts Hooda for Haryana defeat, says he is quite foolish

Despite 10 years of anti-incumbency, the BJP pulled off a spectacular win against the Congress, which was most favoured to win, especially after success in the Lok Sabha election.

www.businesstoday.in

 

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'Farmers created mahaul for Congress, but...': BKU chief blasts Hooda for Haryana defeat, says he is quite foolish

Despite 10 years of anti-incumbency, the BJP pulled off a spectacular win against the Congress, which was most favoured to win, especially after success in the Lok Sabha election.

www.businesstoday.in

So what everyone was saying from the past 2-3 years about these "Farmers" was true after all.

 

[Azaad]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/delhi-imposes-complete-ban-on-firecrackers-to-combat-air-pollution-in-winters-101728891533622.html

Alhamdulillah Kejruddin Alhamdulillah !

 

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https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/delhi-imposes-complete-ban-on-firecrackers-to-combat-air-pollution-in-winters-101728891533622.html

Alhamdulillah Kejruddin Alhamdulillah !

Punishment for the people of Dilli for not voting for pAAP & Liquor Baron in the LS 2024 elections

 

[ezsasa]

I would rather this move be initiated by the PMO than Sanyal & it be institutionalised within our administrative framework such that every 5 years the entire system is audited & rectifications made .

That's one of my grouses against the current system. At times Arun Shourie seems almost prophetic when he declared way back in 2014-15 that the BJP government would be Congress + cow not in the way he intended it obviously for he made that sardonic statement as a put down yet there's a reality to it that in retrospect seems rather startling

For apart from providing good governance there seems to be almost zero reformist impulses by this government .


View: https://youtu.be/DY32QPVuqw4?si=RMPY6s0XWJdIvRyC

I happened to watch this podcast a couple of days ago with Rajrishi Singhal a veteran journalist on the state of our economy especially since the liberalisation.He's of the opinion that corruption has now been institutionalised. I find it hard to dispute this for though we haven't seen any corruption at the centre , at the state level it's business as usual.

Catch up on that podcast if you can. The interviewer is dumb but the interviewee does a good job summarising the journey without any political biases informing his opinion.

saw that podcast in bits earlier. he mentioned montek singh's m note. in montek singh's own words, he made it look it like key economic reforms in his time were a stroke of luck.

for example:
- on the m-note, he started writing during rajiv gandhi's period and there was both support and resistance from bureaucracy, so it didn't move forward. later during VP. singh's tenure, singh asked montek for some policy advice, montek replied saying i have written a paper on it, so he finished the document and presented it to the PM. PM sent it to a committee, it sat there for a while because of change in gormints. and then came PVN rao's tenure.

- the policy which lifted import controls, apparently manmohan singh made a note, chiddu backed it, and they together went to PM, rao just had a look at it and asked chiddu, are you ok with this? he replied yes, and that's it, it was done.

* a bit of oversimplification from my end for effect.

my point is, reforms usually are not systematic and are not on a time table, good ones need the right people, right circumstances at the right time. which goes back to my earlier post, there should be capable people within the system who are competent enough to provide solutions when opportunity/need arises.

 

[arjuntank]

Yeh Lawrence bishnoi kon hai. Itna Kam Umar ka kaise itna bada gang bana liya

 

[Vinash]

This country is fucked beyond repair.

Democracy is such an easy system to game that the deepstate has it's tentacles inserted in every single avenue. I see an India which becomes a vassal of USA or an India that'll be broken into pieces if we don't toe the American line.



View: https://x.com/Ravi3pathi/status/1846176432466076027

 

[Vinash]

The Bahraich incident needs retaliation. Ignoring such incidents will only increase the impunity of mullas.

Solution: Pick up 20 mullas, register FIR on 15 of them, torture and ki** the 5 mullas not mentioned in FIR. That's how you send a message to mullas to behave.

Sadly, this Dumbocracy even under a guy like Yogi can't do what I suggested.

 

[Screambowl]

This country is fucked beyond repair.

Democracy is such an easy system to game that the deepstate has it's tentacles inserted in every single avenue. I see an India which becomes a vassal of USA or an India that'll be broken into pieces if we don't toe the American line.



View: https://x.com/Ravi3pathi/status/1846176432466076027

Haan bhai Sanatanio yeh kya hua, brahmin aur thakuro ki betia anti Hindu? Tum se na ho payega Aryasamajio ko aney do

 

[Vinash]

Haan bhai Sanatanio yeh kya hua, brahmin aur thakuro ki betia anti Hindu? Tum se na ho payega Aryasamajio ko aney do




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FYI, I got banned on DFI for abusing Arya Samajis non-stop.

Yes, UC Liberal Hindus are a pain in the ass and need an ass kicking but Arya Samaj isn't the solution.

 

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FYI, I got banned on DFI for abusing Arya Samajis non-stop.

Yes, UC Liberal Hindus are a pain in the ass and need an ass kicking but Arya Samaj isn't the solution.

He's a Samaji

"Arya Samaji" is a good cloak since you can abuse "idol worshippers" and "sanatan dharmis" openly.

 

[Screambowl]

FYI, I got banned on DFI for abusing Arya Samajis non-stop.

Yes, UC Liberal Hindus are a pain in the ass and need an ass kicking but Arya Samaj isn't the solution.

Rather abusing eachother whole day, people should introspect what is going on. This is a slap on our faces.

First issue is dishonesty and disloyalty with eachother. The trust issues among hindus is a big problem. And kicking ass is not a solution. This will make every one look like fools.

 

[Vinash]

He's a Samaji

"Arya Samaji" is a good cloak since you can abuse "idol worshippers" and "sanatan dharmis" openly.

I won't abuse too much as I'm in a position of power.

In short: Arya Samajis are bhadwas who'll give marriage certificates for literal Jihadis without proper background check.


View: https://x.com/Manuhindu007/status/1535466777315930112

 

[Screambowl]

I won't abuse too much as I'm in a position of power.

In short: Arya Samajis are bhadwas who'll give marriage certificates for literal Jihadis without proper background check.


View: https://x.com/Manuhindu007/status/1535466777315930112

Tell me one thing, wasn't the girl aware of that he's a k****? I am pretty sure girl was aware of it. Marriage certificate is the secondary issue, and if this happened in that temple then it should be investigated, no one is supporting it. Rohingayas have made fake adhaar card what more to say?