Indian Politics and Democracy

haldilal said:

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I will call the Punjab state an joke state.

The Government in Punjab is impotent, it is basically there to serve to the whims of Jatt Sikhs. No support to any Industry for long time, Complete destruction of land is being done by our Farmers by planting only two crops for MSP. Water level screwed up. No law and order.

Bajapa should try to gain votes in Punjab instead of relying of Terrorist symps like SAD. Otherwise the state will become equivalent to its eastern counterparts.
 
Psacha123 said:
What a logic!
Perfect conditions for another round given it is winter and enough time till Jan.
Just shows how important Haryana elections are.
Belt treatment needed this time. With no major elections coming up in the near future, the govt can’t let this gain traction.
But realistically speaking the likes of Tikait will keep coming at it without any consequences.


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We have a progress I guess, "Hame chahiye Azadi" to "Hame chahiye 370"
 
realsumo said:
Whenever I see such debates in the Canadian or English parliament, atleast the parliamentarians there seem a lot more civilised. Only in India, Taiwan and few other countries do I see this where multiple people keep screaming in the background when a person is giving his speech. And , these people are our representatives in parliament, smh.
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yes, it is a feature of Indian parliament, but not a permanent feature. a few years back, i had the same impression, because those are the clips that get in evening news and SM amplification. so i had spent time watching parliamentary sessions in realtime spread across years.

my observation is that outside of a few contentious topics and that too when opposition decides to register their protest on the floor of the house, most of the times the functioning is boring and normal, just like it is happening right now. these normal functioning does not make it to the news. and 99.99% of the public do not watch parliament functioning realtime, since they are busy with their work during the day.

as to why opposition parties register their protest the way they do, have not come across an explanation yet.

live right now.

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ArjunMK1A said:
I will call the Punjab state an joke state.

The Government in Punjab is impotent, it is basically there to serve to the whims of Jatt Sikhs. No support to any Industry for long time, Complete destruction of land is being done by our Farmers by planting only two crops for MSP. Water level screwed up. No law and order.

Bajapa should try to gain votes in Punjab instead of relying of Terrorist symps like SAD. Otherwise the state will become equivalent to its eastern counterparts.
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Sikhs have a feudal mentality especially the Jat Sikhs. The chaps are nothing but rent seekers. They are not much different people across the border who are running a rent seeking economy. They are milking Punjab at the expense of others and then run away to Western countries.
 
ezsasa said:
yes, it is a feature of Indian parliament, but not a permanent feature. a few years back, i had the same impression, because those are the clips that get in evening news and SM amplification. so i had spent time watching parliamentary sessions in realtime spread across years.

my observation is that outside of a few contentious topics and that too when opposition decides to register their protest on the floor of the house, most of the times the functioning is boring and normal, just like it is happening right now. these normal functioning does not make it to the news. and 99.99% of the public do not watch parliament functioning realtime, since they are busy with their work during the day.

as to why opposition parties register their protest the way they do, have not come across an explanation yet.

live right now.

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Off topic but I've gotta express this.

Have to say back in the day I hated you ezsasa, I was young than. Back than your statement seemed too pussyfooted and always felt like you were holding back momentum of discourse like a babu. But as I have spent time into adulthood I have realized that people like you are essential part of a decision making process.
You bring in angle and perspective otherwise obtuse to hot blooded youth keen on action and even quicker to form uniformed cocnulsion.

You are like that elder in the family or senior experience employee that may not have the executive power but enough experience to stop newbies for making dumb decision.

Like this very post you brought perspective that others may not have considered but it was necessary that you had us informed.

It's a situation where I think you may or may not be right but it would be really dumb of me to not consult you at all.

In conclusion i appreciate your presence and a newfound respect
 
ezsasa said:
why opposition parties register their protest the way they do, have not come across an explanation yet.
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I think it would be cool to have lights on the desk. When you oppose something, the desk would glow red, support should show green glow and neutral should be white glow. It would be much better than incomprehensible screaming in the background. Maybe even look visually appealing.

Secondly, national interests should be the main priority. Parties should come out of the mindset that we need to oppose the opposition party regardless of national interests.
 
Suryavanshi said:
Off topic but I've gotta express this.

Have to say back in the day I hated you ezsasa, I was young than. Back than your statement seemed too pussyfooted and always felt like you were holding back momentum of discourse like a babu. But as I have spent time into adulthood I have realized that people like you are essential part of a decision making process.
You bring in angle and perspective otherwise obtuse to hot blooded youth keen on action and even quicker to form uniformed cocnulsion.

You are like that elder in the family or senior experience employee that may not have the executive power but enough experience to stop newbies for making dumb decision.

Like this very post you brought perspective that others may not have considered but it was necessary that you had us informed.

It's a situation where I think you may or may not be right but it would be really dumb of me to not consult you at all.

In conclusion i appreciate your presence and a newfound respect
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much appreciated, and i hope a few more members take up this role.
remember i had told you about six thinking hats many years ago, it's part of a similar philosophy.
 
realsumo said:
I think it would be cool to have lights on the desk. When you oppose something, the desk would glow red, support should show green glow and neutral should be white glow. It would be much better than incomprehensible screaming in the background. Maybe even look visually appealing.

Secondly, national interests should be the main priority. Parties should come out of the mindset that we need to oppose the opposition party regardless of national interests.
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as far as last 11 years go, RG not being in the house reduces the probability of disruptions by roughly 90%. right now he is at UP border, and house is functioning normally.
and in RS too, there are a few characters, simply by them not being the house reduces the disruptions by a lot.
 
realsumo said:
I think it would be cool to have lights on the desk. When you oppose something, the desk would glow red, support should show green glow and neutral should be white glow. It would be much better than incomprehensible screaming in the background. Maybe even look visually appealing.

Secondly, national interests should be the main priority. Parties should come out of the mindset that we need to oppose the opposition party regardless of national interests.
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If you're indeed upset over the current state of affairs in the Indian parliament , it's a phenomenon which goes back to the 8th LS in session between 1984-89 where the Congress (I) had a brute majority upwards of a 2/3rds with the largest opposition party being the TDP of United AP.

That's when a lot of controversial bills were passed notably the Triple Talaq Act overturning the SC verdict. The opposition then could only make its presence felt through outrage which duly received press coverage the next day . Remember live telecasts of the proceedings in the house weren't a thing then.

The Congress retaliated by having its own storm troopers of whom SS Ahluwalia now in the BJP was one of them. I remember reading this a long time ago when some article profiling Ahluwalia was published tracing his career arc.

For a better perspective there are footages of the proceedings in LS on YT though they are scarce & mostly focus on speeches . The real deterioration occurred during IGs time & especially during the original Pappu's tenure.

From then on it has gone down the drain . Where do you even see passionate debates or speeches on issues being heard out without cacophony in the past 4 decades on contentious issues ?! It's a thing of the past . Parliament today unfortunately has been reduced to a rubber stamp of the ruling party cutting across party lines.
 
Azaad said:
Parliament today unfortunately has been reduced to a rubber stamp of the ruling party cutting across party lines.
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there are contrarian examples too..

not every bill or amendment that treasury declares in the media, gets tabled.
not every matter that gets tabled, gets taken up during the session.
not every matter that is taken up by treasury benches during the session, passes as is. opposition's amendments are also taken onboard.
some bills/amendments that are tabled even lapse, because there is no consensus in the house.

sometimes even CPI's amendments are taken onboard by the current treasury benches.

and CPI sends some of the most sensible parliamentarians to the house, they have a perspective, but they have a sensible perspective. they do their work very diligently.
 
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