Indian Politics and Democracy

Roshan said:
These 'imported' words are part of why a large sections of the population which is not from north of the Vindhyas dislike colloquial Hindi. You have had Bollywood pushing Islamic culture, both subliminally and overtly by using language since Independence with a lot of tawaifs entering the industry and movies and songs which not only emphasize but glorify this.

View: https://youtu.be/JvxmjWcehsY?si=AEmtjGAH5ax3B18L
Even a simple word such as this has a deep islamic connotation which many of it's users will not be aware of.
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Azaad said:
If Hindi is purged of FAT ( Farsi Arabic Turkish) it'd go back to its Sanskritic roots & share much more in common with South Indian languages which are heavily influenced by Sanskrit borrowing a lot from it including Tamil which much as the Dravidian stockists tried they couldn't purge it from the Brahminical language - sanskrit , perhaps achieving greater acceptability.

Try saying quick in Tamil in any of the nelogisms the stockists coined & it continues to be seegrham.

The reason I think Hindi / Urdu has some acceptability in the Telugu speaking states & Karnataka is due to the presence of Muslim kingdoms there who patronised FAT & Dakhani - a dialect of Urdu if you please if not Urdu by another name which brings a basic understanding of the language leading to communication , something which was never the case in TN & Kerala.

One could quibble of some muslim ruled principalities there in the late mediaeval / early modern period just before the British annexed all of South India but they don't cut it. The rule was over a few principalities & was too short in duration to leave a lasting impact plus we aren't sure if those rulers themselves were conversant or well versed in the aforementioned languages. We do know Tipu purged Kannada & brought in Persian as the court language but this was in the last years of his reign.
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ezsasa said:
urdu expansion was a political project which started after 1857, after mughal court fell farsi lost it's importance or rather brits crushed it, and urdu took it's place patronised by nawabs funding urdu newspapers and literature. and for bollywood, progressive writers association of bombay is the primary reason.

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Murmurs of a Different Dream: Progressive Writers and Their Contribution to Indian Cinema

There was a phase, a period of wild expectation and tumult, when Progressive Writers and their inheritors ruled Hindi cinema.
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Can a natural "flow of time" resolution to this be found like how even greens now don't use/read ((( Nastaliq ))) and just use Devanagri for Hinthi ?

It's like how in the past, greens may have used their squiggly Arab scripts to write Malayalam and Bangla but thanks to modern education system that has been totally BTFO.
 
Azaad said:
The reason I think Hindi / Urdu has some acceptability in the Telugu speaking states & Karnataka is due to the presence of Muslim kingdoms there who patronised FAT & Dakhani - a dialect of Urdu if you please if not Urdu by another name which brings a basic understanding of the language leading to communication , something which was never the case in TN & Kerala.
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Dakhani telugu is mostly prominent in Telangana, and even there it's mostly relegated to Hyderabad and its surrounding areas. Remaining population mostly speaks normal telugu. I can almost instantly recognize someone has grown up in Hyderabad due to their accent and their weird mix of Telugu with urdu words sprinkled in between.

<Personal opinion> But the reason why there is no Hindi animosity in both Telugu states is the fact that the language has a heavy usage of Sanskrit loan words. In fact, roughly 10-30% of modern telugu vocabulary has derivations from Sanskrit. Some people even say its 50%, but I don't think its that high though.

A lot of sanskrit words simply got loaned by adding 'am' at the end:

Bhojan becomes Bhojanam
Vega(speed) becomes Vegam.
Namaskar becomes Namaskaram.

IDK about malayalam but from what I've heard it also borrows a lot of loan words from Sanskrit.

So at a subconscious level, there is no animosity or hatred towards Hindi which itself also derives from Sanskrit.
 
shade2 said:
Can a natural "flow of time" resolution to this be found like how even greens now don't use/read ((( Nastaliq ))) and just use Devanagri for Hinthi ?

It's like how in the past, greens may have used their squiggly Arab scripts to write Malayalam and Bangla but thanks to modern education system that has been totally BTFO.
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A dharmic Kemalist movement can achieve this. Urdu itself is not an organic language but was thopofied in areas more than 1000km away from where it was conceived ie Pakistan, Kashmir etc. just because Islam so why not?
 
Roshan said:
A dharmic Kemalist movement can achieve this. Urdu itself is not an organic language but was thopofied in areas more than 1000km away from where it was conceived ie Pakistan, Kashmir etc. just because Islam so why not?
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Urthoo is more Indian than Pakistani unfortunately.
It was manufactured in Delhi and Lucknow 🤲
And so was the Idea of Pakistan 🤲

But these Urthoo speakers, and Pakistan ideators most unfortunately didn't move to the Land of the Pure.

Anyway an active removal would be to "fix" Bollywood and your Hindi TV news medias along with the more eminent content creators today.
 
iNorthernerOn9 said:
Who had thought that you will ever have a "Mushaira" in a Hindu wedding. The upper/rich class has lost their brains. They are the ones who introduce such things and then the upper middle & then the middle class tries to copy them.
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Lol back in the day, the old Hindu elite that did literally bend-the-knee to victorious imported Green conquerors and later chatukari, not even those elites would import all Green degeneracies and "cultural activities" into their weddings and other functions.

Truly 200 years of Anglo rule in this land and all it's products like one-sided Secoolie-arism, ((( Reforms ))) and Ganga Jamni Tehzaab have been like an AIDS to the culture of this country.
 
ezsasa said:
and yet..
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Yearly increase in number of students taking Hindi Prachar Sabha exams in TN flatten the Hindi imposition? narrative of DMK and its allies......

Read more at: https://organiser.org/2020/09/14/13...dents-taking-hindi-prachar-sabha-exams-in-tn/

www.thehindu.com

T.N. has highest number of Hindi students

73% of pracharaks in South are in State
www.thehindu.com www.thehindu.com
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That's coz of employment prospects. There was a thread on Twitter a couple of years ago which caused a minor storm in the teacup then . It was about the plight of MBBS doctors in TN.

With a surplus coming out thanks to a mushrooming of medical & engineering colleges there , pass outs have 2 options essentially - either go for further studies or take up a job . Of course the third option was to move abroad which again is not an option with the vast majority of the pass outs .

In case of the latter , the salary didn't amount to much though having stated this , it was in the bandwidth of 50-75k for 0-5 years experience. Post that stagnation set in.

I recall posting this on Strat Front then & a member from TN who happened to be a radiologist responded with a post one could only describe as disturbing. Apparently the situation is so bad for dentists in Chennai what with every locality having dozens of them , that new pass outs can hardly expect a job what to speak of setting up a practice.

He himself was a radiologist having had to change cities at least twice (?) given the insane levels of competition there.

My own personal experience is of a group of Tamil engineers taken in as GET & sent to Mumbai nearly a decade ago. Long story short , they were recruited saying they'd be given a preference for TN but got dispersed throughout the country with the result of the dozen , a year later only 2 remained. The usual problems were cited - language , place of residence being far due to affordability issues , the commute , food , etc.

All this when the country is definitely facing a severe shortage of qualified personnel especially in medicine . Can you imagine the killing an MBBS doctor would've made up north where the shortage is even more telling only if they knew the local language ? Most Tamils don't even know the languages of neighbouring states given the Tamil only policy in the state except those on border areas which means they can't even practice there.

The ordinary people of TN have seen thru the stockists game . In any case every idea comes with a sell by date & the stockists are essentially flogging a dead horse. On a different note , if I were a resident of the neighbouring state I'd definitely stir up protests in TN against this trend of surreptitiously introducing hinthi. What's more I'd go so far as to introduce a bill banning any alteration of the 2 language formula in Lemuria. Why wouldn't I want to better the prospects of students of my own state ?
 
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sameer said:
Dakhani telugu is mostly prominent in Telangana, and even there it's mostly relegated to Hyderabad and its surrounding areas. Remaining population mostly speaks normal telugu. I can almost instantly recognize someone has grown up in Hyderabad due to their accent and their weird mix of Telugu with urdu words sprinkled in between.

<Personal opinion> But the reason why there is no Hindi animosity in both Telugu states is the fact that the language has a heavy usage of Sanskrit loan words. In fact, roughly 10-30% of modern telugu vocabulary has derivations from Sanskrit. Some people even say its 50%, but I don't think its that high though.

A lot of sanskrit words simply got loaned by adding 'am' at the end:

Bhojan becomes Bhojanam
Vega(speed) becomes Vegam.
Namaskar becomes Namaskaram.

IDK about malayalam but from what I've heard it also borrows a lot of loan words from Sanskrit.

So at a subconscious level, there is no animosity or hatred towards Hindi which itself also derives from Sanskrit.
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Yes, same in Malayalam.

Veegam, Sheeghram, Romancham, Premam, Marannam etc.. all used in Malayalam as well.

Which in why i am comfortable with pure Hindi than Urthoo'ed Hindi.
 

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JuttSikh supported by JuttSikhni . This is how a narrative is built when members of the community supports each other's endeavours . Then of course there's Hinduism where in the same case one would pull the other one down . Also got the reason BJP won ~ 240 seats in last general elections.
 
have been observing a peculiar phenomenon happening for a year, across multiple domains. not sure whether it was always happening, or a new phenomenon.

when public is getting access to top technocrats in various forums, during Q&A the questions tend to be influenced by current affairs, political SM trends and current controversy.

below is one example, same thing happened to ISRO chief a few months back, and a few other top technocrats as well.


View: https://youtu.be/074D5r9aSeU?t=4089

getting public access to top technocrats is rare, public having a chance to ask a proper question in a relaxed environment is even rarer. and yet, repeatedly public is prioritising politics/controversy of the day over utilising the opportunity in a productive way.

there is some sort of lack of domain awareness going around, which has not been identified. almost as if, large section of public are not aware of how gears of Indian system works. to compensate, end up asking either clever by half questions or out of syllabus questions.

or it could just be that, the country hasn't arrived at consensus on norms of etiquette in such events.

but at the same time, leftist audience don't seem to be doing this mistake.


View: https://youtu.be/wQqHpGciXb0
 
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ezsasa said:
have been observing a peculiar phenomenon happening for a year, across multiple domains. not sure whether it was always happening, or a new phenomenon.

when public is getting access to top technocrats in various forums, during Q&A the questions tend to be influenced by current affairs, political SM trends and current controversy.

below is one example, same thing happened to ISRO chief a few months back, and a few other top technocrats as well.


View: https://youtu.be/074D5r9aSeU?t=4089

getting public access to top technocrats is rare, public having a chance to ask a proper question in a relaxed environment is even rarer. and yet, repeatedly public is prioritising politics/controversy of the day over utilising the opportunity in a productive way.

there is some sort of lack of domain awareness going around, which has not been identified. almost as if, large section of public are not aware of how gears of Indian system works. to compensate, end up asking either clever by half questions or out of syllabus questions.

or it could just be that, the country hasn't arrived at consensus on norms of etiquette in such events.

but at the same time, leftist audience don't seem to be doing this mistake.


View: https://youtu.be/wQqHpGciXb0
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Are you sure it is """"public"""" who asks these questions?
Who are these """""public"""" who are invited, what are their credentials, what is their ideological background?
 
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