Indian Politics and Democracy

[bablu666]

Yeah post a news of 2023 in 2025. Do you even know the changes which are done in new ncert books

yes sir, you can read the latest ncert books here.
https://ncert.nic.in/textbook.php?hess3=5-8

They are the latest ones

 

[crazywithmath]

Oh well, this won't sit well with the BJP haters.

Muslim castes to be recorded in upcoming census, but not quota: Sources

The census work is expected to begin within the next two to three months. The deputation process for appointing officials will commence soon. Once all preparatory steps are completed, the actual census will be conducted within 15 days.

www.indiatoday.in

Article claims there will be a caste column in the census questionnaire - so this is exact Ctrl C +Ctrl V of census 2011. If true, then that is a mere survey of sort, that 'caste census' phrase in itself can be considered a misnomer.

This is the only important piece of information in the article - the rest is hubris (census cannot be conducted in FY 2025-2026 cuz too many formalities involved and no budgetory allocation made, a census cannot be completed in 15 days etc).

 

[crazywithmath]

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/bihar-karnataka-telangana-what-three-big-experiments-on-caste-survey-tell-us

@Azaad

 

[Prasad]

yes sir, you can read the latest ncert books here.
https://ncert.nic.in/textbook.php?hess3=5-8

They are the latest ones
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well, this is from 4 days ago.
Wonder if you give credit for Modi on this one, especially since on the same subject your asked me to criticize him?

No Mughals or Delhi Sultans: NCERT revamps Class 7 Social Science books again

NCERT has dropped chapters on the Mughals and Delhi Sultanate from Class 7 Social Science textbooks completely, introducing new content on ancient Indian dynasties, Maha Kumbh, and sacred pilgrimage sites instead.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[Prasad]

Article claims there will be a caste column in the census questionnaire - so this is exact Ctrl C +Ctrl V of census 2011. This is the only important piece of information in the article - the rest is hubris (census cannot be conducted in FY 2025-2026 cuz too many formalities involved and no budgetory allocation made, a census cannot be completed in 15 days etc).

Yes, it might happen before next elections for all we know.

Again, I was only pointing to the misinformation being spread here where few members were running with narrative that muslims will now get reservations & using that to abuse BJP.

 

[bablu666]

well, this is from 4 days ago.
Wonder if you give credit for Modi on this one, especially since on the same subject your asked me to criticize him?

No Mughals or Delhi Sultans: NCERT revamps Class 7 Social Science books again

NCERT has dropped chapters on the Mughals and Delhi Sultanate from Class 7 Social Science textbooks completely, introducing new content on ancient Indian dynasties, Maha Kumbh, and sacred pilgrimage sites instead.

www.indiatoday.in

Good move but is being done in such a haphazard way that it will backfire. Every year changing the syllabus and content. Why not bring a full change at once? Why class 8 textbook has such vile content?Also what's the point of removing Mughals when we can mention the genocides they committed and make the students aware of it?

 

[Prasad]

Good move but is being done in such a haphazard way that it will backfire. Every year changing the syllabus and content. Why not bring a full change at once? Why class 8 textbook has such vile content?Also what's the point of removing Mughals when we can mention the genocides they committed and make the students aware of it?

Agree with you on that part.

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

View: https://youtu.be/1gDGIi4l4oE?si=Qr-FODsqGMwaDYb7
Tau another video, criticising rightly that there are so many fools residing in this Bhajipao as well as RSS party, who don't know what to do.

If you have to follow the agenda of Rahul Gandhi division tactics ultimately what's the point in keep voting you, join Gandhi party.

They themselves cut their own people and when JAGRUK HINDUS start asking what the hell? jokers change their things, like in Sabrimala, Betiyar case, Mahamanav praising Betiyar.

Running for votes of communities that are hell bent on not voting them, then when hit on the face, then they shamelessly change the tack, even their they need outsiders like Yogi who is not from RSS and Sarma to do heavy lifting.

Let's be clear RSS produce, Communists in hindu skin. BJP is nothing but Communists and Congressis with Hindu mindset.

Totally dangerous because they always copy these divisive parties and ideologies thinking.

Go to any BHAJIPAO neta he will give gyaan of Communists too are good, fully knowing what's the ultimate aim of "kill Brahmans" communists as well as betiyar DMK as well as AIDMK gang is, OBC ko bas bachana hai.

There is no need to support these turn coats, one don't know when next they will turn, that privileged Rahul gandhi is already talking about 50 percent breach and reservations in private jobs. Woh bhi mauka nikal ke aise hi kisi samay kar dena, Bhajipao.

 

[Numero]

How will that be a blow to GC?
We are not getting reservations now & we will not get in future. It does not affect us one bit.
It is the false fear mongering.
Zero today. Zero next year, Zero ten years from now for GC. No loss, no gain.

Anyway, I was mainly only addressing a specific narrative where few members were running wild saying BJP will now give muslims reservations.
which is completely false.

Did you even read it? It doesn't change anything immediately but in the future the oppositions may cap reservation based on the population number of castes & now they're being spoon-fed with the opportunity. That's the issue.
If lower castes get more seats then the seat numbers for general will decrease automatically.
That's what may change if BJP isn't playing with something else.
Also BJP is a master player of politics. Only time will tell whether it's only about caste census or something else for a bigger step.
Muslim reservation claim is bs nonetheless.
BJP also gave scholarships to Muslims while bringing anti WAQF law.

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

View: https://www.youtube.com/live/dDYNcVBgNOA?si=y4yjV44Xs3SPhYzs
IT cell justifying anything with any manner.

 

[Prasad]

Did you even read it? It doesn't change anything immediately but in the future the oppositions may cap reservation based on the population number of castes & now they're being spoon-fed with the opportunity. That's the issue.
If lower castes get more seats then the seat numbers for general will decrease automatically.
That's what may change if BJP isn't playing with something else.
Also BJP is a master player of politics. Only time will tell whether it's only about caste census or something else for a bigger step.
Muslim reservation claim is bs nonetheless.
BJP also gave scholarships to Muslims while bringing anti WAQF law.

Unless 50% cap is removed, what you are claiming is not possible.

The only party talking about 50% cap removal is Cong+ not BJP.

 

[SKC]

I did and was bought out of it by PVN Rao . rest everything else is natural progression. Between talking of PDS, people typically get allmost non edible grains these days ..left over once everything is sold ...

Lol by PVNR!!

Kerosin lines continued till like end of 2000s pretty across the nation. Significant change happened only in last 10-15 years.​

 

[Numero]

Unless 50% cap is removed, what you are claiming is not possible.

The only party talking about 50% cap removal is Cong+ not BJP.

What makes you think that it can't be removed in the future going by how stupid Indians are behaving? Specially in the UP Bihar & TN folds. Politicians will force themselves to listen to the people.

 

[Prasad]

What makes you think that it can't be removed in the future going by how stupid Indians are behaving? Specially in the UP Bihar & TN folds. Politicians will force themselves to listen to the people.

There is nothing certain in future, agree with that.

it's a hypothetical scenario that is not even in the radar of BJP. Not sure how to respond to that!

 

[SKC]

What makes you think that it can't be removed in the future going by how stupid Indians are behaving? Specially in the UP Bihar & TN folds. Politicians will force themselves to listen to the people.

We can never know what can happen in future. But I like to live optimistically.

People have been behaving certain way since independence. But with time economical situation has improved and younger generation is much less affected by caste politics and most dont care that much.​

 

[crazywithmath]

What makes you think that it can't be removed in the future going by how stupid Indians are behaving? Specially in the UP Bihar & TN folds. Politicians will force themselves to listen to the people.

Like I wrote earlier, there is a reason why that 50% ceiling has survived this long. You cannot just pass a law to breach that ceiling - milaards will strike it down (multiple states have tried and failed already). You will need an exemption through the 9th schedule which is challenging in itself (only TN was granted this exemption and it was specified that nobody else would be granted a similar exemption back in the day) and even then it is not guaranteed to survive judicial scrutiny.

For all the rr we do on Indian judiciary, they are the ones maintaining the equilibrium on contentious issues like these. In other words, the Indian state institutions do indeed work. Are they perfect? No, far from it. But they do a pretty good job maintaining the status quo and finding the middle path amid contentious demands.

 

[Wayfarer]

Brutal


View: https://x.com/deepdownanlyz/status/1918209494833873360?t=_F1SjHLQruaPUfFb0QM1Rg&s=19

 

[Numero]

Reason provided by BJP on caste census

The caste census announced by the Modi government marks a significant step toward ensuring genuine social justice in India. Unlike the Congress-led 2011 caste census—which resulted in unusable data and absurd outcomes, such as listing over 46 lakh castes—the upcoming census promises to be more focused, accurate, and purpose-driven.

Once conducted, it will help identify the most deprived among the OBC, SC, and ST communities, enabling fair sub-classification to ensure that smaller and more marginalised groups are not sidelined. This will make the system of social representation more equitable and reflective of ground realities.

Importantly, the census will also prevent the misuse of the OBC quota as a tool for religion-based reservation. In 2011, the Congress attempted to use flawed caste data to introduce a 4.5% minority sub-quota within the OBC category—a move aimed at Muslim appeasement, which was ultimately struck down by the courts.

The Modi government’s initiative reinforces the principle that affirmative action must be based on social and educational backwardness—not religious identity. This approach aims to protect the constitutional rights of OBCs, SCs, and STs while ensuring fair and evidence-based representation

 

[Azaad]

Like I wrote earlier, there is a reason why that 50% ceiling has survived this long. You cannot just pass a law to breach that ceiling - milaards will strike it down (multiple states have tried and failed already). You will need an exemption through the 9th schedule which is challenging in itself (only TN was granted this exemption and it was specified that nobody else would be granted a similar exemption back in the day) and even then it is not guaranteed to survive judicial scrutiny.

For all the rr we do on Indian judiciary, they are the ones maintaining the equilibrium on contentious issues like these. In other words, the Indian state institutions do indeed work. Are they perfect? No, far from it. But they do a pretty good job maintaining the status quo and finding the middle path amid contentious demands.

I'm not quite sure this is how things will pan out. Muslims & Christians are also being enumerated on the basis of caste & simultaneously we're being told the Muslims won't be eligible for reservations. If that's the case why enumerate both ?

After all both these religions don't believe in the institution of caste. That's the reason they converted in the first place & that was the argument the establishment gave to keep them out. The breach occured when exemptions were doled out to Muslim & Christian OBCs .

Nobody including the BJP contested it then nor did they seek court's intervention nor the court's take suo moto notice of these developments.

Which brings me to an important point . Why's the BJP doing it ? After all none of the opposition parties have asked for it .

IMO the BJP's going to use it as some sort of bargaining chip when the demands for lifting the cap on reservations are made. How exactly do they plan on using it I'm not sure ?!

But what I'm sure of is at least as far as the social justice plank is concerned the Overton window has shifted left with BJP seeking to become the old Congress tent pole party since the Congress has shifted further left & there's practically little to distinguish it from a communist party as of the present with the communists themselves gone with the wind.

 

[Freedom Thru Firepower]

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