Indian Politics and Democracy

[Prasad]

To expose frauds in this forum who are lying through their Ahole as if BJP is now going to give muslims and others who bought their shit & started beating their own testicles, here is what you need to know.

muslims are already getting reservations under OBC category.
It's been happening for decades.

go through the article below

Explainer: How do Muslims get reservations in India?

Several Muslim communities get reservations under the Other Backward Classes category.

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Right now across many states, most muslims are eligible for reservations under OBC category.
Why do you think no party want's a caste census amongst muslims?
Because the list would reduce % of muslims eligible for reservations from near 100% to under 30%.

There is NO extra reservation being provided here.
When this census is done, the % of muslims eligible for OBC reservation will reduce drastically.

Bu hey, the abusive clowns here were spreading shit as if Modi is going to give reservations to muslims, when it's the opposite. He is going to reduce no of muslims eligible for OBC reservations.

Now coming to another lie.
Do let me know how the F this would even affect GC?
Are we getting any reservations now? No
Will we get any reservations after the census? No

So, what the F is changing for us? Some were suggesting it is a blow to GC? WTF drugs are you lot snorting?
This move won't affect GC in any way or form.

One clown BJP hater spreads lies, another clown joins and then it is spread as truth.

 

[sea-gain]

The guy that got Ram mandir and removed 370 is best of the worst.
Wonder what even average one would look like.

In a country where a lot of hindus vote for others, this guy not only won elections and then delivered on the promises.

Regarding pasmada's OBC, there are many here who are pretending as if this is something new Modi is doing.
Pasmada muslim reservation has been happening in India since 1990's.
Of the OBC quota, nearly 10% of it has been exclusive for a while now under state OBC as well as Central OBC

The fraud though is that most Congress states include 90% muslims under pasmada and pave way for them as OBC's and get under this list.

What BJP is doing is playing the same game congress has been playing where they want to divide Hindus on castes. Now BJP is doing the same for muslims.
They will do the census and split muslims into pasmadas and others. Imagine if instead of 90% of muslims being eligible, it is reduced to 30%. That's the divide BJP will introduce.

Sorry but people who are jumping as if BJP is going to give reservations to Muslims are living in lala land or straight up lying.
These muslims are already getting reservations under OBC list, happening for decades now.

Prasad,

I know your views well ... so will refrain from framing a response as i know no amount will arguing will work with you .

but for sake of discussion ...

compare the statements of mudi ji while he was CM of gujarat before 2014 and now that he is in a position to implement those. i am not going to argue on conditions , soros, left and all that .. those are just ways to hide our weakness ...

15 years is a good time to show the intent to implement your agenda.

count the number of success (as per you biz ram mandir and 370 against number of failures ...we had ) and failures ....

It's absolutely shocking that this forum with many knowledgeable members let few lie through their teeth so a to abuse the party they hate.

lastly, politics is all about subtle lies and keep the narrative intact...if u telling me that BJP fellas bath in milk daily than this forum itself is filled with their GEMS ... there is a dedicated thread ...so if they got good marks marks for 370 and others.. they got votes as well.. hate is a very big word to be used as randomly ...u use


Those opposing today will implement same once in power... there are enough examples.. so keep your personnel insinuations to yourself.

 

[sea-gain]

in my view this line of thinking is political immaturity, lacking the foresight to adapt to circumstances.

who are these blind followers?
people who were 10 in 2014, are 21 years of age now.
people who were 20 in 2014, are 31 years of age now.
people who were 30 in 2014, are 41 years of age now.
people who were 40 in 2014, are 51 years of age now.
and so on.

modi became CM of gujarat at the age of 51, PM at 63 years of age in 2014, he is 74 now.

their own lives and personal priorities have changed since 2002 and 2014, but a politician whose primary job is to get reelected should still be applying messaging, tactics, plans of 2002, 2014 in 2025?

and worse, pretending as if nothing has changed in the country since 2014.

there are only three types of govt templates in this country in past 75 years:

- nehruvian/congi template
- VP singh/chandra sekhar type coalition template
- NDA//BJP/Modi template

it would be wise to spend time and arrive at a firm conclusion of which templates you absolutely do not want to live in for remainder of your life. it would be tough to explain, if one had not lived during those years.

modi or yogi or rahul or any other politician as PM, is secondary to the above fundamental point. all PM's act as per the situations they are presented in front of them within their ideological/political/personal limitations.

stupidest thing one can do is, giving more power to narratives that will lead to govt template you do not want to live under.

we live in land of karma, all actions big and small have consequences.

Let us agree to dis-agree than because Modi is just following first template only with subtle change to keep his votes intact . Just enough changes to keep the audience guessing and embracing cloak of nationalism as and when it suits the narrative ,...

as i said earlier, he is just like any other politician and no yug purush as average joe & master strokewadi thinks ...

 

[Prasad]

Prasad,

I know your views well ... so will refrain from framing a response as i know no amount will arguing will work with you .

but for sake of discussion ...

compare the statements of mudi ji while he was CM of gujarat before 2014 and now that he is in a position to implement those. i am not going to argue on conditions , soros, left and all that .. those are just ways to hide our weakness ...

15 years is a good time to show the intent to implement your agenda.

count the number of success (as per you biz ram mandir and 370 against number of failures ...we had ) and failures ....


lastly, politics is all about subtle lies and keep the narrative intact...if u telling me that BJP fellas bath in milk daily than this forum itself is filled with their GEMS ... there is a dedicated thread ...so if they got good marks marks for 370 and others.. they got votes as well.. hate is a very big word to be used as randomly ...u use


Those opposing today will implement same once in power... there are enough examples.. so keep your personnel insinuations to yourself.

I completely agree he could have done better.
What I don't agree to thought is the narrative that there is another process in India where Hindus themselves don't won't enblock similar to muslims to implement the core Hindu agenda.

funny thing is, if I were to ask what that hindu agenda is, you would get thousand different answers.

Could Modi have done better, absolutely yes.
He has done enough to not be abused, absolutely yes.

Both statements are not contradictory.

If you are going to count the success and failures and balance them, Modi will come out on top.
I asked one person what his failures are, every list I got was issues Modi inherited and not one he caused.

Lastly, look at the last 10 pages, the abuses on Caste census and the narrative on how Modi is going to reservations to muslims and heaping abuses.
That's the kind of lies and narratives I am talking about.

There is something I firmly believe in.
There is no 'perfection'. I am not perfect, you are not perfect, no one is. No human is.
Similarly no organization is perfect, no party is perfect, no leader is perfect.
The only thing we can really assess is by comparison. That's it. As example, if you say a particular religion is good, it is always in comparison to other religions. Same with everything else.

That's how I view Modi and BJP.
Are they good for hindus? Fk yeah, because the others parties are out to exterminate us and BJP is the only one standing between us and them.

The talk about we need a party which is a a "PURE HINDU" party is completely bogus and loser talk.
There is no such party, there will be no such party ever. It's like a cult promising utopia. A fraud concept and absolutely dangerous as well.

 

[Numero]

To expose frauds in this forum who are lying through their Ahole as if BJP is now going to give muslims and others who bought their shit & started beating their own testicles, here is what you need to know.

muslims are already getting reservations under OBC category.
It's been happening for decades.

go through the article below

Explainer: How do Muslims get reservations in India?

Several Muslim communities get reservations under the Other Backward Classes category.

scroll.in

View attachment 32811

Right now across many states, most muslims are eligible for reservations under OBC category.
Why do you think no party want's a caste census amongst muslims?
Because the list would reduce % of muslims eligible for reservations from near 100% to under 30%.

There is NO extra reservation being provided here.
When this census is done, the % of muslims eligible for OBC reservation will reduce drastically.

Bu hey, the abusive clowns here were spreading shit as if Modi is going to give reservations to muslims, when it's the opposite. He is going to reduce no of muslims eligible for OBC reservations.

Now coming to another lie.
Do let me know how the F this would even affect GC?
Are we getting any reservations now? No
Will we get any reservations after the census? No

So, what the F is changing for us? Some were suggesting it is a blow to GC? WTF drugs are you lot snorting?
This move won't affect GC in any way or form.

One clown BJP hater spreads lies, another clown joins and then it is spread as truth.

It would be a blow to GC when other parties start to implement reservation based on the population & proportion.
Depends on Indian courts whether they let it be implemented or not.

Secondly, this census would include Muslims, Hindus & Christians all. Census will be done on everyone which is good.

With time there will be so many sub-castes that the importance of reservation will dilute.

Someone said above that it's a double edged sword which is true.
I also belive that BJP always has something else in mind. They toy with the oppositions to implement something totally different. So only time will tell what would be the bigger picture.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Is there any influence of Sikhism in Bhumihar ? Gurumukh is a term used in Sikhism.

Gurumukh as as in your mouth has residence of Devta. Hence you will not consume : tobacco, meat, alcohol etc.
Part of Nath, Sant Parampara, usually mahant of a math initiates people into this.
No connection with sikhism

 

[crazywithmath]

Also I belive that BJP always have something else mind. So only time will tell would be the bigger picture.

That something else is 'subcategorization'.

as i said earlier, he is just like any other politician and no yug purush as average joe & master strokewadi thinks ...

Of course he isn't, duh! That is just PR.

 

[ezsasa]

Let us agree to dis-agree than because Modi is just following first template only with subtle change to keep his votes intact . Just enough changes to keep the audience guessing and embracing cloak of nationalism as and when it suits the narrative ,...

as i said earlier, he is just like any other politician and no yug purush as average joe & master strokewadi thinks ...

i suppose you never stood in line for kerosene.

 

[Prasad]

watch your language else this your own one will become bigger than this font size....

If you cannot argue in civil than learn from mods like @ezsasa or learn to ignore ... don,t show your upbringing here..

huh, where did I tag you in that post?
Why are you assuming you are the one I am talking about?

I replied to you in earnest in above post, go through it and let me know if my language to you was not appropriate.

If you are going to read every post and get angry when it was not addressed to you, it's your problem, not mine.

Last time you will ever reply to me like that. Take it as how you will.

 

[Prasad]

It would be a blow to GC when other parties start to implement reservation based on the population & proportion.
Depends on Indian courts whether they let it be implemented or not.

Secondly, this census would include Muslims, Hindus & Christians all. Census will be done on everyone which is good.

With time there will be so many sub-castes that the importance of reservation will dilute.

Someone said above that it's a double edged sword which is true.
I also belive that BJP always has something else mind. They toy with the oppositions to implement something big. So only time will tell what would be the bigger picture.

How will that be a blow to GC?
We are not getting reservations now & we will not get in future. It does not affect us one bit.
It is the false fear mongering.
Zero today. Zero next year, Zero ten years from now for GC. No loss, no gain.

Anyway, I was mainly only addressing a specific narrative where few members were running wild saying BJP will now give muslims reservations.
which is completely false.

 

[Prasad]

That something else is 'subcategorization'.



Of course he isn't, duh! That is just PR.

muslims are already getting reservations under OBC sub-categorization.

What's currently happening is that in most states it's near 100% muslims eligible for this.

What will happen after caste census is that it will be brought down to 30%. That will be the caste divide BJP is probably looking to introduce in muslims.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Here's the thing, the whole bjp and congress are "sem2sem" is nothing new, it has been in use since like 2016, back then the point of focus was "bjp is congress+ cow". people talked about bjp not removing triple talaq , then bjp got rid of triple talaq, focus then shifted to ram mandir with third grade comedians like taklu kamra making jokes about "mandir wahi banayenge", then ram mandir verdict came.

Article 370's removal is often ignored by these people, it seems like people either aren't aware or simply forgot how monumental that move was, before that abdullahs used brag about how kashmir is their unofficial kingdom and indian govt can't touch article 370. People seems to have forgotten kind of chimp out pakis showed when it was removed, whining at Un, begging Arabs to give some statment about the issue, deploying their forces on loc and whatnot.

Now these are stuff that most people actually know, there are things this govt has done that nobody seems to care about, there is dealing with NPA crisis, ramping up infrastructure projects, dealing with naxals, implementing gst and dealing with everything that has happened in last 5 years like Covid ukraine war, gaza etc.


There is a sensible way to criticise and discuss about performance of current govt but don't fall into trap of sem2sem with Congress, they want you to feel disappointed.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

i suppose you never stood in line for kerosene.

Or having to read news about a blast killing minimum 15 people every other week

Or living with 9-10% inflation

Or india getting embarassed on global stage during cwg scam.

 

[sea-gain]

i suppose you never stood in line for kerosene.

I did and was bought out of it by PVN Rao . rest everything else is natural progression. Between talking of PDS, people typically get allmost non edible grains these days ..left over once everything is sold ...

 

[bablu666]

To expose frauds in this forum who are lying through their Ahole as if BJP is now going to give muslims and others who bought their shit & started beating their own testicles, here is what you need to know.

muslims are already getting reservations under OBC category.
It's been happening for decades.

go through the article below

Explainer: How do Muslims get reservations in India?

Several Muslim communities get reservations under the Other Backward Classes category.

scroll.in

View attachment 32811

Right now across many states, most muslims are eligible for reservations under OBC category.
Why do you think no party want's a caste census amongst muslims?
Because the list would reduce % of muslims eligible for reservations from near 100% to under 30%.

There is NO extra reservation being provided here.
When this census is done, the % of muslims eligible for OBC reservation will reduce drastically.

Bu hey, the abusive clowns here were spreading shit as if Modi is going to give reservations to muslims, when it's the opposite. He is going to reduce no of muslims eligible for OBC reservations.

Now coming to another lie.
Do let me know how the F this would even affect GC?
Are we getting any reservations now? No
Will we get any reservations after the census? No

So, what the F is changing for us? Some were suggesting it is a blow to GC? WTF drugs are you lot snorting?
This move won't affect GC in any way or form.

One clown BJP hater spreads lies, another clown joins and then it is spread as truth.

Start :

View: https://x.com/Iyervval/status/1672834701009240064
End :
https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/indian-politics-and-democracy.85/page-294#post-117101


I wonder what justification @Prasad will give.

 

[sea-gain]

I completely agree he could have done better.
What I don't agree to thought is the narrative that there is another process in India where Hindus themselves don't won't enblock similar to muslims to implement the core Hindu agenda.

funny thing is, if I were to ask what that hindu agenda is, you would get thousand different answers.

Could Modi have done better, absolutely yes.
He has done enough to not be abused, absolutely yes.

Both statements are not contradictory.

If you are going to count the success and failures and balance them, Modi will come out on top.
I asked one person what his failures are, every list I got was issues Modi inherited and not one he caused.

Lastly, look at the last 10 pages, the abuses on Caste census and the narrative on how Modi is going to reservations to muslims and heaping abuses.
That's the kind of lies and narratives I am talking about.

There is something I firmly believe in.
There is no 'perfection'. I am not perfect, you are not perfect, no one is. No human is.
Similarly no organization is perfect, no party is perfect, no leader is perfect.
The only thing we can really assess is by comparison. That's it. As example, if you say a particular religion is good, it is always in comparison to other religions. Same with everything else.

My original post was summary of your whole paragraph..

That's how I view Modi and BJP.
Are they good for hindus? Fk yeah, because the others parties are out to exterminate us and BJP is the only one standing between us and them.

The talk about we need a party which is a a "PURE HINDU" party is completely bogus and loser talk.
There is no such party, there will be no such party ever. It's like a cult promising utopia. A fraud concept and absolutely dangerous as well.

so i see the secular in you coming out in open with these statements...take a break

 

[Prasad]

Or having to read news about a blast killing minimum 15 people every other week

Or living with 9-10% inflation

Or india getting embarassed on global stage during cwg scam.

naxals, anyone remember them? Now they are almost done and dusted.
Anyone remember how JNU was in 2014? They have been defanged.
Anyone remember RW media/SM groups who stood up for Hindus pre 2014?
remember the power cuts pre 2014?
infrastructure
defanged muzzies in many states.

One of the most important achievement of Modi is ensuring a thriving a hindu eco-system.
Once he is gone, hopefully this eco-system is strong enough to support hindus.

 

[Prasad]

Start :

View: https://x.com/Iyervval/status/1672834701009240064
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https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/indian-politics-and-democracy.85/page-294#post-117101


I wonder what justification @Prasad will give.

No justification, who said I support everything BJP does?

You seem to be under this false impression that I support everything BJP or Modi does.
I don't and not in this matter you tagged.

Does not mean I will abuse Modi.

Why is it so hard to understand the difference between criticism and abuse?!
Is it such a difficult concept to understand the difference between the two things?

 

[Prasad]

Oh well, this won't sit well with the BJP haters.

Muslim castes to be recorded in upcoming census, but not quota: Sources

The census work is expected to begin within the next two to three months. The deputation process for appointing officials will commence soon. Once all preparatory steps are completed, the actual census will be conducted within 15 days.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[Gurmeet]

Start :

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https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/indian-politics-and-democracy.85/page-294#post-117101


I wonder what justification @Prasad will give.

Yeah post a news of 2023 in 2025. Do you even know the changes which are done in new ncert books