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No idea about master stroke but it's a damn good political manoeuvre which if the RSS & BJP play it right will get them a committed electorate or vote bank & enormous political capital.

Guys here can't understand basic politics. None of the political discussions I've had across fora in years have been analytical. It's always been about emotions & getting carried nay swept away by it .

I've already pointed out that reservations in most cases have already surpassed the 50% mark all over India once the EWS came into effect. Yet we've the same trope of concerns about reservations exceeding 50% across posts & pages . It's like a dialogue of the deaf

Reminds me about what a UK based Paxtani said to me - All sub continentals are a hyper emotional lot be it in India or Paxtan or BD or any of the other countries.

It's reflected in the discourse here as much as it is in the politics on the street
Terms like masterstroke are a meme at this point. But I can easily see the divide and rule angle of (cast politics) here. I might be wrong but If I was in leaderjis position and had no way of extinguishing this reservation meme. The next best course of action would be to reduce its potency.
 
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No, what I'm reporting is from the mythological period. Bhumihars are known to be non vegetarians .Not all of them though.

How many brahmin communities do you know of who're non vegetarians especially from UP & Bihar, Maithil Brahmins not withstanding but then again they're shakta worshippers & priests.

Bengali Brahmins are a different category altogether.
heh, there was some pundit uncle, friend of my father, who's gotten multiple aacharya level upaadhis across vidhyapeeths, what he used to say before his death regd non-vegetarianism was that, a lot of brahmins historically lived outside the towns-cities in agro-pastoral ways, so it's not possible that they all were of saatvik types, then kashmiri pundits who lived in pahad where kheti isn't sufficiently possible so they too resorted to sarvahaari things and so on, then what maithils believe is that kind of supermacist thing - "once you're born a brahmin, everything's allowed" including eating meat, their notion of calling fishes as 'jal ka phal' over some scripture things on samudra-manthan incident...

so every group has their own reasons for whatever they eat, his personal recommendation was to go raising your livestock like how pissfulls raise goats and chickens if you are sarvahaari, or just hunt

in gujarat side, there's a surname among koli (fishermen caste) called 'bambhaniya' - the word itself seems apabhransh of 'brahmaniya' and indeed some of them share kuladevis with brahmins here, the story is similar to jinnah bhai karachi waale = they resorted to fisheries dhandho and got expelled by pandits, now part of kolis

so vegetarianism had never been universal among brahmins, perhaps vaishnavism played a big role in bhakti movement era here like other communities

when it comes to vegetarianism, there's also a thing that can be utilised positively, ever heard of "roti beti ka vyavhaar" thing? that once you accept roti ka - food sharing things with others, it increases chances of beti ka vyavhaar too...it's perhaps a big reason vegetarians have been able to stay away from pisslamists by denying first type of interactions itself
 
Non vegetarians diet in Bhumihars is a recent thing.
My grandad and great granadad never touched meat he was a priest in a temple, my father never did. I did because my mother's side did who had their own reasons. Maternal great grandfather was in military so he adopted such habits and some alcohol as well which later passed on to grandad who was in police. Maternal grandma never touched meat her entire life. And my Mami ji is a gurumukh who has vowed to never eat meat.

Bhumihars are not purely into prietely activities and are more outgoing than generic brahmins so we tend to adapt more to conditions.

Maithali brahmins have a chip on their shoulder so they cook up a lot of stuff, they are the ones behind mithila pradesh movement. Tend to be very purist and dismissive of others as well. Lot of liberal chutiyap from bihar is done by them not meaning we are somehow better because we gave india Ravish kuma, Kanhaiya and CPIm.

Just my two cents.
Not sure about this being a recent thing coz I distinctly recall reading a sociological paper on the dietary habits of certain caste groups in mediaeval North & East India long ago & the Bhumihars were mentioned as war like , into jagirdari & agriculture as well as comprising of both vegetarians & non vegetarians as far as their diets went where obviously the former were temple priests.
BTW here is some interesting data.


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Didn't get this SS ??
 
This is the exact thing that happened with the Three Farm Laws. First the Govt fought for passing them, then after hitting roadblock took it back and Mudi ji said he was doing it for the larger interest of the country. Result Bjp lost to aap in Punjab by a big margin. This caste census decision sounds similar.
BJP is very marginal party in Punjab. It was going to loose it either way. The people their were looking to break free from the shackles of few families. These few families had bipartisan familial ties. So, Congress or SAD both were practically similar. BJP was still limited to Hindu voters. So, It was AAP who was primed for the win. People forget Punjab was the only state to send AAP MPs in LS. Just like Delhi AAP will be a stepping stone for BJP in Punjab.

Another aspect BJP won in western UP. Mr. Tikait Hails from it. BJP also won HR which also saw significant mobilization in Farm laws.

To give you a more nuanced view. I will take you to the MH. Ajit Pawars induction in government and alliance was widely criticized by many. LS results too seemed to indicate it was a failed experiment. But the VS results showed how formidable the alliance was. Ajit Pawars inclusion actually helped BJP in VS. SP was decimated and so was cutting to size of UT.

So, Farm Laws retraction, Ajit Pawars induction in end actually helped BJP. Similarly i believe and i am certain the caste census would also help BJP. It will make the case for subcategorization stronger. It will break blackmail by Meena's and Jatavs over Ambedkar. These two groups will face the scrutiny from fellow category castes. Subcategorization will be introduced than.

On Private Sector reservations they are not going to happen.
 
Didn't get this SS ??
Even after 1857 rebellion babhans made up significant portion of British army. We were even more numerous before the rebellion.
The occupation of military roles may have something to do with non veg diet as well.

I am not sure if babhan here also consists of brahmin mainstream.

I have a belief that bhumihars have always been more receptive to meat based diet because of our optional priestly occupation.
 
Is Congi not corrupt as they are demanding reservation in private?

You are new to this forum so trust me when I say this, there was this same vidgwa vilap in the old forum back when the BJP led Haryana govt introduced reservations in the private sector.


The census is the steeping stone to breach the 50%. Why is that hard for you to follow?

Why did Modi demonisze the opposition for demanding this when he does the same now?


I am not asking for your opinion here. You wrote that the 50% ceiling was already breached so I am asking for an example. You do not have to respond with your opinions.
 
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Even after 1857 rebellion babhans made up significant portion of British army. We were even more numerous before the rebellion.
The occupation of military roles may have something to do with non veg diet as well.

I am not sure if babhan here also consists of brahmin mainstream.

I have a belief that bhumihars have always been more receptive to meat based diet because of our optional priestly occupation.
But the numbers mentioned there are ridiculous . Are they supposed to be the number of troops hired by the British or the catchment of all martial castes ? Besides in which world do Rajputs exceed the Jats in sheer numbers ?

IIRC Bhumihars had a separate classification in the census apart from Brahmins. And the Martial Brahmins you're referring to are the ubiquitous Pandeys or Pandys as the Brits called them .

They practically dominated the Brahmin component of the EIC Bengal Army based out of Barrackpore & along with Rajputs & Bhumihars formed the bulk of the Bengal Army.
 
I have heard that bong brahmins indeed consider fish as "vegetarian".
i was once persuaded by certain pisslamic "friend" of mine during college (not that hafeez guy, for most parts he respected my opinions) that 'andaa is vegetarian *ahem* since it's practically a failed period of a murgi' 🤷‍♂️ - and that if you don't have any issue with milk of cattle, what's problem with having a failed period of murgi too 😒 - i.e. using scientific reasoning card on me (it's definition of something called ovo-vegetarianism)

i simply retorted that cows are domesticated animals and they have tendencies to go super anxious and even can fall ill after rearing or coming-of-age if they aren't milked regularly, and gau-paalan is far less "violent" act than raising murgis - where you snatch a murgi's first fertilised eggs away so she goes depressed and ends up giving more eggs, that you also take away and the cycle repeats until she physically can't, and the way they live in confined cages and fed upto brim and how male chicks are basically thrown to garbage and all...so don't bother teaching me that kind of scientific things

seeing he can't convince me he never brought this topic to me again
(you can say i overall played roti-beti ka vyavhaar card on him in preventive ways)
 
i was once persuaded by certain pisslamic "friend" of mine during college (not that hafeez guy, for most parts he respected my opinions) that 'andaa is vegetarian *ahem* since it's practically a failed period of a murgi' 🤷‍♂️ - and that if you don't have any issue with milk of cattle, what's problem with having a failed period of murgi too 😒 - i.e. using scientific reasoning card on me (it's definition of something called ovo-vegetarianism)

i simply retorted that cows are domesticated animals and they have tendencies to go super anxious and even can fall ill after rearing or coming-of-age if they aren't milked regularly, and gau-paalan is far less "violent" act than raising murgis - where you snatch a murgi's first fertilised eggs away so she goes depressed and ends up giving more eggs, that you also take away and the cycle repeats until she physically can't, and the way they live in confined cages and fed upto brim and how male chicks are basically thrown to garbage and all...so don't bother teaching me that kind of scientific things

seeing he can't convince me he never brought this topic to me again
(you can say i overall played roti-beti ka vyavhaar card on him in preventive ways)
Eh mine wasn't a scientific defense of fish eating by bong brahmins. In the end the bong will eat fish cause of the massive cultural influence of it and will reach of any scriptural defence of this stance.
 
The writing is on the wall. BJP-RSS (even Congress) has a bunch of Hindu OBC supremacists who secretly want 70% reservation for themselves in Indian Public sector and the same in Private Sector. This seems to be following a salami slicing trend in recent times.

A slightly gray pill is :



Ironically, the only thing stopping India from becoming sub-Saharan Africa/ South Africa is this institution and it's Triple Test and Doctrine of Basic Structure so hope that NJAC doesn't get rammed in under Ninth Schedule of Article 31B of the Constitution.

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  • Tamil Nadu Act, 1994 - State Public Sector






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  • EWS Reservation (February 2019) - Public Sector


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  • PM Jeevan Jyoti Bima Yojana (July 2024) - Private Sector (Partial)




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  • Population and Caste Census (April 2025) - (Unconfirmed)
Govt job holders don't even make 3% of the population. It would be a fucked up shit if they force these shits in private.
 
But the numbers mentioned there are ridiculous

Are they supposed to be the number of troops hired by the British or the catchment of all martial castes ?
I have to refer to original sources to know exactly what this data means.



Besides in which world do Rajputs exceed the Jats in sheer numbers ?
could be since Jats are limited to three states and Rajput are present across all states in Northern India up to vindhaya ranges.

IIRC Bhumihars had a separate classification in the census apart from Brahmins. And the Martial Brahmins you're referring to are the ubiquitous Pandeys or Pandys as the Brits called them .
What I wanted to imply is that Bhumihars are recognized as a separate group yet overlap somehow with brahmins.
Even the famed mangal pandey is claimed as a bhumihar by some but that is highly unlikely and I don't want to imply he was. But there is a slight chance since he shares common clan with Bhumihars. Many Bhumihars do have the pandey surname and british had the habit of creating a caste out of surnames as well as chalking them up with other caste as per their convenience.

Caste was more ambiguous in the British era and many classification were made adhoc.
 
Govt job holders don't even make 3% of the population. It would be a fucked up shit if they force these shits in private.
I hope they won't otherwise the subsequent caste riots that could emerge will make the Mandal reservation protests look like a society RWA meeting.

With Muslims and Sikh jumping in, it will lead to a civil war type scenario and will lead to the rise of either Military Dictatorship or a Saffron North Korea style state.

This is the current situation as of now.

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I have to refer to original sources to know exactly what this data means.

could be since Jats are limited to three states and Rajput are present across all states in Northern India up to vindhaya ranges.
Impossible . Since this isn't a religious enumeration as the Awans & Meos are mentioned too , both of whom are exclusively Muslim without that detail added , I assume the classification was religion agnostic.

There's no way Rajputs across undivided India were more than Jats across religions unless there's a lot of misreporting & misrepresentation going on by the respondents which the Britsh couldn't filter out.
What I wanted to imply is that Bhumihars are recognized as a separate group yet overlap somehow with brahmins.
Possible.
Even the famed mangal pandey is claimed as a bhumihar by some but that is highly unlikely and I don't want to imply he was. But there is a slight chance since he shares common clan with Bhumihars.
Possible.

Many Bhumihars do have the pandey surname and british had the habit of creating a caste out of surnames as well as chalking them up with other caste as per their convenience.
Yes that's how caste stratified . Previously the situation was much more fluid for non Brahmins. It's the British who set firm boundaries for castes & created new categories & sub categories.
Caste was more ambiguous in the British era and many classification were made adhoc.
True. And we're reaping the curse of it till date. Neither did the centre then make any attempt to conduct some deep study into the matter & check for the many discrepancies which crept into the system nor could they be bothered to remedy it.

With the British everything was to be by the book . Hence if the sacred corpus mentioned chatur varna , the British who couldn't tell varna from jati discounted the latter in favour of the former & here we are.

It's not for nothing the communists diagnosed the issue of independence being essentially a situation where one colonialism was replaced by another as the basic structure of the state continued with suitable changes like democracy , adult franchise etc.

Otherwise it was more of the same with brown sahibs taking over from the white sahibs. Of course the communists also had their own vested interests in this prognosis as it fit well into their agenda which is a topic for another day.

Result - previously there was a clamour for everyone to be counted as Savarna . Now it's the exact opposite.
 
I hope they won't otherwise the subsequent caste riots that could emerge will make the Mandal reservation protests look like a society RWA meeting.

With Muslims and Sikh jumping in, it will lead to a civil war type scenario and will lead to the rise of either Military Dictatorship or a Saffron North Korea style state.

This is the current situation as of now.

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It won't ever happen. I'm sure of that Lol
Religious reservation is the least thing we need
 
It won't ever happen. I'm sure of that Lol
Religious reservation is the least thing we need
Just announce 80 percent hindu reservation in public and private sector, it will better than j*ati based reservation anyways.
Hindus dominates Private sector anyways so it won't affect the private sector also
 

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