Indian Politics and Democracy

[Dharmocrat]

My problem is not with the caste census. Every one knew it was just a matter of time.

My problem is with the timing.

Why the fck now?
When the entire Hindu community was coming together to demand Pakistan be punished, why CASTE census now?

Like I genuinely do not understand the logic.

Now, even if there is a very big retaliation against Pakistan, this announcement still leaves a sour taste in the mouth.

They could have done this after the spanking administered to Pakistan. It would have made it palatable.

Modi better wipe clean all of pak army or he is done.
Goodbye GC Votes.

BJP should conduct a special course in politics.

" How to kick your most loyal voters in the balls and then mock them for asking why?"

At this point the only reason BJP is in power is the sheer treacherous nature of congress is putting people off.

 

[ezsasa]

If you and I can talk about complex interconnected phenomena, then our security establishment can also decipher them.
So I do not think Modi is a victim but an incompetent leader.
The news you posted on naxalites has a new update. Naxalites have escaped into Telangana. Sonia is far more shrewd and daring than Modi and his sidekick.
Both have failed to design their policies to protect Hindus, but have made us more vulnerable and toothless, while saboteurs are running circles around them.

- need not be an interconnected phenomenon, the fact is there is already parallel security operation going on for a year now.

- perceiving the leadership of the day as incompetent is nothing new, it's a norm in Indian political discourse, that's the way Indian brains are programmed to think by popular discourse. pre-modi, modi and post-modi will be perceived as incompetent. i suppose till the time commies/islamists come to power this will continue, then it's either gulags or communal pogroms anyways.

- on the naxal escape, assuming the news is true, not the first time such a thing as happened, similar thing happened during op green hunt as well. and yet the territory the maoists controlled, kept reducing.

- on the policies to protect hindus, hindus themselves don't know what they want collectively as a group. i can assure you even two three decades from now, the so called hindus will keep blaming someone else for their woes, but we will never be able to find out which hindu is crying the most at that point in time
i.e secular hindu,
commie hindu,
tax payer hindu,
non tax payer but pretends to be tax payer hindu,
lower middle class hindu,
middle class hindu,
rich hindu,
sanskari hindu,
sarkari hindu,
refugee hindu,
victim of communal attack hindu,
traditional hindu,
caste kanging hindu,
pro reservation hindu ,
anti-reservation hindu,
congi hindu,
bjp hindu,
SP hindu,
BSP hindu
etc. etc. there are so many types of hindus.


in the middle of all this, we have opportunist hindus who thrives on self-sabotaging fellow hindus for their own kicks.

so many types of hindus.

 

[crazywithmath]

Goodbye GC Votes.

Who else will those GCs vote for? Congress? AAP? NOTA?

Supreme Leaderji knows what he is doing.

Return gift for LS 2024. The folks who voted for him are just collateral damages.

 

[crazywithmath]

Its the people who decide the course of govt. by their vote. It is a hard reality the vote still is cast on caste basis. How will you really explain "JAAT" who are patriots and nationalists, in Haryana rallying behind INC? The same jaats though were not hesistant to elect Jaat leaders from BJP though. A lot of BJP's jaat candidates won in Haryana.

Truth is India votes heavily on jatti lines. They become blind to even national and self interest and only vote for their jaati leaders. How will one explain the victory of INC in MH after Nanga Naach of Terror on Mumbai streets? How can they vote INC-SP when INC leader Digvijay was hand in gloves to blame it on RSS? All because of caste.


We are a society divided on caste lines. Reservation just ossified it. Its a hard reality. Why will not leaderji succumb to it? Remember how Bhagwat's loose tongue cost them Bihar election at that time? Why not just take a look at the recent LS 2024 elections? He ensured the construction of Ram Mandir. Still how did Ayodhyawasi paid him? They choose to vote for the party which fired at the Ram Bhagats. They choose the party which massacred Hindu devotees in cold blood.

So, Yes, Leaderji is right in doing caste census. I don't blame Modiji for it. I will infact blame him if he had not done it and lost the election. I don't want others in power. So, If Modiji need to keep them at bay with caste census, So be it. If he take some moralistic stand and loose election to gutter sadak chaap dacoits than i will blame him for abondoning us.

Arrey, all this reasoning is not really necessary. Their jatti census (if conducted at all, they have been delaying the census for over 5 years now) will not reveal anything we aren't already aware of. If the incumbent wants to introduce 'muh private sector reservations' they can do it right now. If they want to breach the 50% ceiling, they can pass a law even now and place it on the 9th schedule.

So why announce a jatti census at all? Because Ji fears the loss in narratives - LS 2024 has made them cautious.

 

[Vinod Patter]

Its the people who decide the course of govt. by their vote. It is a hard reality the vote still is cast on caste basis. How will you really explain "JAAT" who are patriots and nationalists, in Haryana rallying behind INC? The same jaats though were not hesistant to elect Jaat leaders from BJP though. A lot of BJP's jaat candidates won in Haryana.

Truth is India votes heavily on jatti lines. They become blind to even national and self interest and only vote for their jaati leaders. How will one explain the victory of INC in MH after Nanga Naach of Terror on Mumbai streets? How can they vote INC-SP when INC leader Digvijay was hand in gloves to blame it on RSS? All because of caste.


We are a society divided on caste lines. Reservation just ossified it. Its a hard reality. Why will not leaderji succumb to it? Remember how Bhagwat's loose tongue cost them Bihar election at that time? Why not just take a look at the recent LS 2024 elections? He ensured the construction of Ram Mandir. Still how did Ayodhyawasi paid him? They choose to vote for the party which fired at the Ram Bhagats. They choose the party which massacred Hindu devotees in cold blood.

So, Yes, Leaderji is right in doing caste census. I don't blame Modiji for it. I will infact blame him if he had not done it and lost the election. I don't want others in power. So, If Modiji need to keep them at bay with caste census, So be it. If he take some moralistic stand and loose election to gutter sadak chaap dacoits than i will blame him for abondoning us.

JAAT and JATT are both wrong spellings of "JAT", it is actually JAT only. Most JATs in the deep hinterland of Haryana and Punjab don't know anything about Muslims, because able-bodied Muslims like RANGAR left for Pakistan in 1947. Those Muslims who chose to live here are castes like Teli, Lohar etc. These Muslims don't have any fighting spirit and have native names like Ramesh, Suresh, Hanuman etc. Although they are Muslim, they still choose to keep such names to blend in with society. JAT used to fight on a regular basis with RANGARs (Rajput Musalman) because these RANGAR used to have slaughterhouses in towns. They used to steal bulls and cows from the villages of JATs to slaughter them in "HATHA". My Grandfather's Uncle killed almost 17 RANGAR in Khanauri, Punjab during partition. They were most notorious for stealing cattle. My father's maternal grandfather's elder brother, a Sikh JAT from Sangrur, lost his life while saving cows from burning byre. A RANGAR stabbed him with a sword from behind. The younger generation is not aware of such stories. Most people who go through these events are very old or have passed away. In present times, there is no challenge like RANGAR, so JATs don't feel any necessity to vote for the BJP or many JAT in Bangar and Bagar areas of Haryana nowadays don't identify themselves as Hindu due influence from SIKH JAT, or they believe Hindutva might dilute their ethnic identity.

 

[Numero]

WB govt's Jagannath Temple ad mistakenly mentions 'female vibrators',

An advertisement by the West Bengal.

 

[Numero]

View: https://x.com/HPhobiaWatch/status/1917821381686800870?t=BNBusW72uOEvTN0GGhG6Aw&s=19

As I've said that there are some sneaky stuffs hidden behind this move.
Here people will call you Modi ke tatte, Andhabhakt for pointing it out as Indians are incapable of seeing things in the long run & they lack in strategising.
Caste census neither is gonna suppress Palagham incident nor is it gonna help in Bihar election.
Nitish kumar & BJP combined would win anyways. Modi doesn't need to do caste census for that.
The census will be done on Muslims & Christians as well. Modi is actually targetting converted Tattus & their lobbies. It will have a huge impact in the South. There are so many Christians who are still using Hindu names for caste benefits. All will be exposed & segregated.
Dunno what arithmetic is at play here but something is definitely COOKING

 

[vampyrbladez]

I hope they won't otherwise the subsequent caste riots that could emerge will make the Mandal reservation protests look like a society RWA meeting.

With Muslims and Sikh jumping in, it will lead to a civil war type scenario and will lead to the rise of either Military Dictatorship or a Saffron North Korea style state.

This is the current situation as of now.

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Only beneficial side effect I can see is the introduction of 'Creamy Layer' to SC/ST and possibly better mapping of EWS for General Caste (maybe even vertical reservation).

The Supreme Court wanted to establish some criteria and empirical evidence for introduction of 'Creamy Layer' to SC/ST.

Justice Gavai, who was part of the seven-judge Constitution Bench, in his separate opinion on August 1, 2024, had called for the need to evolve a unique set of criteria to exclude the ‘creamy layer’ among Scheduled Castes (SC) and Scheduled Tribes (ST) from reservation benefits.

“State must evolve a policy for identifying the creamy layer even from the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes so as to exclude them from the benefit of affirmative action... the criteria for exclusion of the creamy layer from SC/ST for the purpose of affirmative action could be different from the criteria as applicable to the Other Backward Classes [OBCs],” Justice Gavai had observed.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...on-creamy-layer-for-scsts/article69081461.ece

The RSS itself has been rather muted and has been cautious about any kind of statement.

The RSS has been traditionally opposed to divisions and segregation on the basis of caste but has taken a position that issues such as sub categorization and introduction of a creamy layer within quotas for scheduled castes and scheduled tribes should be carried out after “consultation and consensus building” with the stakeholders.

In response to a question on the demand for caste census, Ambekar said then, “The RSS feels that, for all welfare activities, particularly those for communities or castes which are lagging and who need special attention... if the government needs the numbers, it is a well-established practice. Earlier, such data, was collected...But it should be done only for the welfare of those communities and castes. It should not be used as a political tool for elections.”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-rss-a-cautious-approach-101746038776720.html

The RSS itself has been trying to call for Hindu unification as early as a week ago (April 20, 2025).

Seeking an end to caste differences, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) chief Mohan Bhagwat has called upon members of the Hindu community to strive for social harmony by embracing the principle of "one temple, one well, and one cremation ground" for all.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/rss-chief-calls-for-hindu-community-to-end-caste-differences-one-temple-one-well-one-cremation-ground-101745146651892.html

 

[Suga]

- need not be an interconnected phenomenon, the fact is there is already parallel security operation going on for a year now.

- perceiving the leadership of the day as incompetent is nothing new, it's a norm in Indian political discourse, that's the way Indian brains are programmed to think by popular discourse. pre-modi, modi and post-modi will be perceived as incompetent. i suppose till the time commies/islamists come to power this will continue, then it's either gulags or communal pogroms anyways.

- on the naxal escape, assuming the news is true, not the first time such a thing as happened, similar thing happened during op green hunt as well. and yet the territory the maoists controlled, kept reducing.

- on the policies to protect hindus, hindus themselves don't know what they want collectively as a group. i can assure you even two three decades from now, the so called hindus will keep blaming someone else for their woes, but we will never be able to find out which hindu is crying the most at that point in time
i.e secular hindu,
commie hindu,
tax payer hindu,
non tax payer but pretends to be tax payer hindu,
lower middle class hindu,
middle class hindu,
rich hindu,
sanskari hindu,
sarkari hindu,
refugee hindu,
victim of communal attack hindu,
traditional hindu,
caste kanging hindu,
pro reservation hindu ,
anti-reservation hindu,
congi hindu,
bjp hindu,
SP hindu,
BSP hindu
etc. etc. there are so many types of hindus.


in the middle of all this, we have opportunist hindus who thrives on self-sabotaging fellow hindus for their own kicks.

so many types of hindus.

I guess in long term we are screwed one way or other since Hindus will never unite and no street action , or negotiating power.
Only thing Hindus will be doing is vidwa vilap on SM or swearing at politicians and making memes and all.

 

[vampyrbladez]

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[Viktor]

ok Abdul.

Anything that let you sleep, pathogen

 

[DingDong]

So I was on a right wing chrischun group on faceberg for a while, ofc most as goras there, so a popular jhumla was "we must make an alliance with the muslims against da jooz!"

The "alliance" works with equal partners, it doesn't work with one weakling camp, that relationship is called vassaldom, many such sucessful electoral alliances are there from UP-Bihar like Yadavs and Greens or when that was in her prime, it was ST/SC + Greens

GC meanwhile doesn't have voting block capability neither do they have street power like the greens, that is why you have all parties today including Bhajipao doing Mujra infront of ST/SC and even Greens.

Indeed in the past before Mudi, Bhajipao used to be a Baaman-Baniya-Rajput party, because the aforementioned were fedup of being given second class status by Chorgressi who after 90s was also on the appeasement train.

The aforementioned trinity therefore isn't on the Hindutva Bandwagon as it were out of charity, it is a political necessity.

Since the Baaman is electorally weak and street power weak, the "alliance" between them and green will be that of the butcher and the lamb, you can see this since nobody does mujra for brahman or baniya votes, max Congis do some drama to cut their votes.

A resolution to this is produce more kids with your waifu and try to get local political consolidation or even state and national level to vote as a bloc, much more simpler to do rather than "alliance" with green

I don't believe that the GC are the weaklings. These communities have managed to survive and prosper for so long despite all the negativity and direct conflicts, that says something.

When push comes to shove, people can chalk out radically new political strategies on the win-win basis. The rise of Hindutva is nothing more than a OBC+SC consolidation. Muslims usually live in close neighborhood with the OBC/SC communities, and that puts them into direct conflicts.

Alliance with the Muslims and the Leftists is not an unnatural one. The Muslims must be made to realize that their zeal of forging alliances with OBCs (in the past) and SC/STs (in the present) has only brought in great miseries for the community. A strategic alliance between GC+Muslim+ST on the line of West Bengal can be beneficial for all of those communities.

The GC certainly doesn't have sufficient numbers to make a candidate win, but they can certainly make a candidate loose through tactical voting.

Creating political fissures between various OBC/SC castes on the basis of "haves and have-nots" will be the real masterstroke.

 

[Vinod Patter]

Besides in which world do Rajputs exceed the Jats in sheer numbers ?

Rajput don't exceed JAT in numbers, there is a heavy concentration of JATS in Haryana, Punjab, Rajasthan, West UP along with sizable population in Himachal and small populations in Jammu and Uttarakhand. There are Anjana JATs in western Madhya Pradesh and in Palanpur area of Gujarat. All of these JATs interact with each other on regular basis to solidify clan brotherhood. In my area in Haryana and in areas around Ghaggar river in Punjab we have total 52 villages of Nain JATs, I have seen a Gujarati Nain JAT from Palanpur who came to our area after travelling that distance just to visit his tribe members. So I believe population of JAT is more than Rajput.

 

[Vinash]

Apologies if posted before but this made me laugh.

BJP are a laughing stock. Even low life thugs like this guy are mocking them.


View: https://x.com/ani_digital/status/1917583696120451142

 

[sameer]

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Congis literally ran on caste census in the past few state elections since last June and before that as well. And, they only won Jharkhand.

Maharashtra, Haryana and Delhi, all of which BJP won quite comfortably.

Vishwacoolie is only making a fool out of himself and his party with this move. Why they continue to behave like weaklings when they have absolute power is still beyond me. This issue is not even that important to the electorate. Most of the dehatis vote for freebies not JAUH.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

Arrey, all this reasoning is not really necessary. Their jatti census (if conducted at all, they have been delaying the census for over 5 years now) will not reveal anything we aren't already aware of. If the incumbent wants to introduce 'muh private sector reservations' they can do it right now. If they want to breach the 50% ceiling, they can pass a law even now and place it on the 9th schedule.

So why announce a jatti census at all? Because Ji fears the loss in narratives - LS 2024 has made them cautious.

You can look at it this way. I think the battle is between category and caste. Meena, Yadavs etc had monopolized the Ambedkar movement. All because they benefitted from being in a reserved category and assumed the role of that said categories leadership.
The caste census will lay bare these Kangers. Meenas had especially been very very antinational. They will be the first ones to face the axe with their co-categorists throwing them out.

In end the opposition wanted to stroke the ambedkar spirit. They will get its full wrath. BJP is also more positioned to absorb different caste groups in its fold than others.

I believe the Mahamanush expects the following:
1. Pure Caste vs Caste RR
2. Maybe Hindutva will become umbrella under which that RR happens.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Apologies if posted before but this made me laugh.

BJP are a laughing stock. Even low life thugs like this guy are mocking them.


View: https://x.com/ani_digital/status/1917583696120451142

Indian opposition suffers from premature ejaculation like pakis, Supriya shitnate was acting like this post ls 2024, then became quite after hattrick in haryana MH and delhi.

Let them wet themselves over this.

 

[crazywithmath]

Apologies if posted before but this made me laugh.

BJP are a laughing stock. Even low life thugs like this guy are mocking them.


View: https://x.com/ani_digital/status/1917583696120451142

Moral victories since 2014: 27294057840
Electoral victories since 2014: ?

The absolute state of Indian opposition in a nutshell. And then we wonder why the likes of Tai, Goyal and Puri get away with their shenanigans....

 

[Vinash]

Moral victories since 2014: 27294057840
Electoral victories since 2014: ?

The absolute state of Indian opposition in a nutshell. And then we wonder why the likes of Tai, Goyal and Puri get away with their shenanigans....

That's the point.

Even losers who haven't won an election in decades don't fear BJP and are mockingly calling them Sanghis.

That's not a win.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

JAAT and JATT are both wrong spellings of "JAT", it is actually JAT only. Most JATs in the deep hinterland of Haryana and Punjab don't know anything about Muslims, because able-bodied Muslims like RANGAR left for Pakistan in 1947. Those Muslims who chose to live here are castes like Teli, Lohar etc. These Muslims don't have any fighting spirit and have native names like Ramesh, Suresh, Hanuman etc. Although they are Muslim, they still choose to keep such names to blend in with society. JAT used to fight on a regular basis with RANGARs (Rajput Musalman) because these RANGAR used to have slaughterhouses in towns. They used to steal bulls and cows from the villages of JATs to slaughter them in "HATHA". My Grandfather's Uncle killed almost 17 RANGAR in Khanauri, Punjab during partition. They were most notorious for stealing cattle. My father's maternal grandfather's elder brother, a Sikh JAT from Sangrur, lost his life while saving cows from burning byre. A RANGAR stabbed him with a sword from behind. The younger generation is not aware of such stories. Most people who go through these events are very old or have passed away. In present times, there is no challenge like RANGAR, so JATs don't feel any necessity to vote for the BJP or many JAT in Bangar and Bagar areas of Haryana nowadays don't identify themselves as Hindu due influence from SIKH JAT, or they believe Hindutva might dilute their ethnic identity.

I believe the current alienation is actually perptuated by the Unionist Mission Discourse. I have found it to be similar to Ambedkarite discourse where the starting point is ambedkar and in unionist mission discourse its Sir Chhotu Ram ji. The religion is completely sidestepped by them instead focussing on practises and some folklores.