Indian Politics and Democracy

[Jason Roy]

Since the caste census card has been nullified, the next is reservation in private sector

Reservation in private sector is never gonna happen....it's impossible.

Check my previous post.

Private sector reservation is never gonna come ever even if RaGa remains the PM for continuous 10 years. Forceful private sector reservation is impossible. UPA govt in its 10 years discussed with all the stakeholders....and came to zero. At the end, they are too funded by corporates....it would be dead kneel for them. In their 2004, 2009 manifestos...they mentioned private sector reservations...... subsequently later and in 2024 too...they didn't mention any private sector reservation....they now talk about a diversity commision which is most likely awarding corporates with subsidizes and tax benifits for diversity hiring and voluntary actions by corporates.They want to increase public sector reservation cuz they see it to be the only option left for them.
This is a article back from 2006...when it was in advanced discussions with corporates which obviously backfired.
It's not all gloom and doom....I do think they understand their limits with a thin line very well.

Aimed at garnering votes, UPA push for reservations in education, private sector jobs

The National Rural Employment Guarantee Bill, the Forests Land for Tribals Bill, the newly-mooted quota in central universities and now, the proposition of jobs for Dalits in the private sector are all aimed at inclusive growth. These all are steps to ramp up vote share to take the Congress...

www.indiatoday.in

 

[ezsasa]

At what point the voters refuse to buy reservation-maxxxing promises by congis?

Since the caste census card has been nullified, the next is reservation in private sector and breaching 50% cap as election issues.

In 2019 election, the prince offered a sum of 72000 per year to the poors as a part of some Nyay Scheme scam, obviously people don't trust congis so that stunt flopped in that election

when reservations are winning elections in U.S and U.K, why would our voters be any different !!!
can only minimise the impact of reservations on the society, by increasing or decreasing the shares.

 

[Jason Roy]

Is it possible via fiddling by milaards?

I don't think so.....it damages the very fundamental pillar of positive discrimination in constitution....almost impossible.

 

[shade2]

when reservations are winning elections in U.S and U.K, why would our voters be any different !!!
can only minimise the impact of reservations on the society, by increasing or decreasing the shares.

I mean certain promises sound like bullshit and jhumla, even voters understand this which is why i gave the nyay scheme example

My Q was at what point down the reservation-maxxing rabbit-hole does it seem utterly unrealistic even to the voters?

What we've seen with Bhajipao caste census is they've stolen the opposition's "mudda" so they have to go more extreme in terms of jitni aabadi utna haq.

Like for e.g private sector reservation, some basic news reading will tell you that is this not possible, milauds will strike down such a law, if this is what cong promises, the voter realises they can't do it, why vote then?

And if this is reflected in elections, what is chorgressi mudda next?

Already Bhajipao has stolen their revdi politics and turbo appeasement of SC/ST after the LS 2024 loss of seats

A time will come when Cong will have to make senseless issues and promises that no voter will buy.

 

[ezsasa]

I mean certain promises sound like bullshit and jhumla, even voters understand this which is why i gave the nyay scheme example

My Q was at what point down the reservation-maxxing rabbit-hole does it seem utterly unrealistic even to the voters?

What we've seen with Bhajipao caste census is they've stolen the opposition's "mudda" so they have to go more extreme in terms of jitni aabadi utna haq.

Like for e.g private sector reservation, some basic news reading will tell you that is this not possible, milauds will strike down such a law, if this is what cong promises, the voter realises they can't do it, why vote then?

And if this is reflected in elections, what is chorgressi mudda next?

Already Bhajipao has stolen their revdi politics and turbo appeasement of SC/ST after the LS 2024 loss of seats

A time will come when Cong will have to make senseless issues and promises that no voter will buy.

voters do not understand this, that is the nature of the game.

we may have sophisticated ideas on what kind of politics and economy would be good for India, but on the street obviously a certain allure exists in favour of reservations/revdi/caste etc, the street is constantly reminding the politicians, and politicians react accordingly.

our theoretical sophistication matters very little on the street in electoral politics.

 

[Suryavanshi]

BJP was caught off guard, by silent jatitva narrative during last elections in UP. UPA is heavily banking on jatitva politics.

UP elections are in march 27, census takes about 18 months to complete, they will probably time the census it to make it a non-issue in bihar and UP elections.

The angle we were missing, UP is much more important than bihar.
I guess they had weighted the pros and cons and finally gave into this.

BJP is reducing Gormint Jobs evey year, pushing BSNL karamcharis to take vrs. It he had become full leftists this wouldn't have been possible. Curse your luck this country still wants to vote for jat pat.

BJP already gave Relief to UC by lifting Tax brackets and now he is trying to take bahujan into confidence. Covering all sides as much as possible

 

[Jason Roy]

Opinion: CPI(M) is a pretty weird party.....

Their ideology is anti-neoliberal policies. Their whole website/manifesto is full of things saying how corporates/capitalists are killing the country, how neoliberal are destroying the world and the country and there should be nationalisation of heavy industries and all that.
The same things is repeated in their Politburo. Their student unions are breeding grounds for anti indian activities. Their labour unions like CITU are a huge problem in many states involved in frequent strikes. They side with stupid environmentalists in stopping major infra projects.

But, but, but
When they come to power, they forget all these things. They become the one of the most economically liberal parties in India.
Kerala has started several neo liberal policies after Vijayan came to power. The Vizhanjam port, although planned by the previous regime...was executed under his tenure. So many industrial parks of corporates also began construction.The Vizhanjam port was executed by his regime even after so much opposition which was fueled by INC...the port is a very big deal for a state. The Kerala government is hosting a lot of business summits to attract investments very frequently.
Now let's come to West Bengal, The Buddhadeb Banerjee led Govt fell in 2011 because of its neo-liberal stance backed by eco leftists,agrarian leftists/naxals under Begum's party. His government brought/tried to bring many industries in Bengal. He has been successful in some. Many industrial parks of thousands of acres were acquired under this tenure that is currently used by Begum's government.
His notable failed attempts were TATA- Singur, Mega Chemical Hub in Nandigram by Salim Group (10,000 acres) and many others. These were stopped by eco leftists and naxals backed by Begum's party. They left regime was way more economically liberal than the Begum's regime now.

I really don't understand why CPI(M)'s stance gets changed when they come to power.

 

[Jason Roy]

when reservations are winning elections in U.S and U.K, why would our voters be any different !!!
can only minimise the impact of reservations on the society, by increasing or decreasing the shares.

In USA, UK....they have diversity hiring under a commision...not quota.

 

[crazywithmath]

Let me play the devil's advocate & say that if things don't go as per plan for the BJP & the sub quota within quota plan backfires leaving no scope but to increase reservations which including the EWS already stands at ~ 60% & all the parties get together to pass such an act under the 9th schedule , what're the courts going to do ?

Strike it down ? GoI can pass such an act once again & since there will be political unity the parliament could well threaten the judiciary with impeachment for over stepping their constitutional limits.

Ideally this topic should never have been touched . Now it's like opening up a Pandora's box. I wonder why exactly did Modi take such a step ? I refuse to believe it's the Bihar elections.

You don't take such a huge step that impacts the entire polity only to win elections in a state . Had that been the case we'd have seen action on the matter before Maharashtra went to the polls , a state much more important than Bihar .

I don't even think coalition pressures did it for Modi since CBN has barely spoken on the issue & Nitiswa has kept quiet ever since he's rejoined the NDA.

Something doesn't quite add up unless there's some 56D chess being played which we lesser mortals can't make sense of .

What're your opinions ? @ezsasa

Simple back of the hand calculation tells me that;

UC + Ms + Cryptos + Chrischuns + others + OBC/SC/ST CL = close to 40% of the population (if not more)

Now if they do subcategorization and add the dominant/land owning caste groups the resultant figure should be close enough to 50% of the population. It is not at all difficult to torcher the census data to arrive at a similar figure.

At that point, even the proportional representation BS does not work anymore...

Reminds me why UPA 2 shied away from making their caste census data public back in 2011 - their data revealed too much uncomfortable truth and the parties did not want to upset their vote banks (read dominant caste groups). They had a number of caste kangers in their coalition, even they did not make a fuss.

Either way, the incumbent has not talked about breaching the 50% ceiling cuz that will be suicidal for them, once that ceiling is breached it is just a downward spiral into a bottomless pit - think about it, where do you even stop at that point? 60%? 80%? 90%? 100%? It messes up their political calculations, their urban vote bank (of which the UCs and the OBC CL guys are a loyal constituent of) will get fractured and they will not be able to win another general election ever again if their strike rate slows down in urban constituencies.

And above all, I doubt a clueless feckless weakened opposition necessitates such desperate measures anyway.

 

[crazywithmath]

At what point the voters refuse to buy reservation-maxxxing promises by congis?

Since the caste census card has been nullified, the next is reservation in private sector and breaching 50% cap as election issues.

In 2019 election, the prince offered a sum of 72000 per year to the poors as a part of some Nyay Scheme scam, obviously people don't trust congis so that stunt flopped in that election

Have you looked into the core vote bank of these opposition parties?

It is the combination of Ms and a large subset of rural SC/STs (I say a subset because rural SC/STs supported Ji very well in MP, Chattisgarh and Odisha). UCs and OBCs (again, not a uniform pattern but you get the point) are already voting for them. And of late, Kerala Chrishchuns have started drifting towards bhagwa.

Ji is looking to woo those poor SC/ST/landless OBC votes by introducing subcategorization. View things in that context.

 

[crazywithmath]

I mean certain promises sound like bullshit and jhumla, even voters understand this which is why i gave the nyay scheme example

My Q was at what point down the reservation-maxxing rabbit-hole does it seem utterly unrealistic even to the voters?

What do you mean, shade bhai? Voters have already rejected Jitni Abadi Utni Haq in recent polls, did they not? Although it seems Ji is not all that confident with Bihar and UP...

What we've seen with Bhajipao caste census is they've stolen the opposition's "mudda" so they have to go more extreme in terms of jitni aabadi utna haq.

Like for e.g private sector reservation, some basic news reading will tell you that is this not possible, milauds will strike down such a law, if this is what cong promises, the voter realises they can't do it, why vote then?

And if this is reflected in elections, what is chorgressi mudda next?

Already Bhajipao has stolen their revdi politics and turbo appeasement of SC/ST after the LS 2024 loss of seats

A time will come when Cong will have to make senseless issues and promises that no voter will buy.

 

[asl001]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ckRBO1fD1wU?si=5Ap-vLMAG4ZlJ0do
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[Ajayant Tripathi]

Membrans are illusioned if they think reservation in the private sector is not possible. It may happen without much protest from the Private Enterprises.

A subtle contrast to the situation we had in 2004-2009 is that most people have bank accounts. And unlike those times, private sectors now credit salaries even for the lowest positions in their bank account. Means the org controlled.

Private reservation will not touch the white collar and highly skilled workforce. Rather it will target the low skilled workers, which would be roughly comprising 80% of the private sector. Can be anything, from Ola drivers, to the company contracted labourers, to the Zomato Amazon delivery boys, retail cashiers, hotel room assistant, theatre attendant and what not.

All these jobs are now registered ones, directly controlled by the companies unlike the older time when thekedars used to control them; and do not need very high skill. Companies won't have much problem to enforce the reservation in such roles.

Not an impossible thing to bring in the reservation in the private sector— without any big economic crisis.

You are fearmongering. Even if the salaries are credited to bank account it doesn't change the fact that the same transaction can be cast in different legal framework.


Have you heard of the term consultant, partner, associate, outsourcing etc. The same tools will be utilized by the businesses to adapt them. Ofcourse it will have a business cost, I am not going to deny it.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

Here's the thing, the whole bjp and congress are "sem2sem" is nothing new, it has been in use since like 2016, back then the point of focus was "bjp is congress+ cow". people talked about bjp not removing triple talaq , then bjp got rid of triple talaq, focus then shifted to ram mandir with third grade comedians like taklu kamra making jokes about "mandir wahi banayenge", then ram mandir verdict came.

Article 370's removal is often ignored by these people, it seems like people either aren't aware or simply forgot how monumental that move was, before that abdullahs used brag about how kashmir is their unofficial kingdom and indian govt can't touch article 370. People seems to have forgotten kind of chimp out pakis showed when it was removed, whining at Un, begging Arabs to give some statment about the issue, deploying their forces on loc and whatnot.

Now these are stuff that most people actually know, there are things this govt has done that nobody seems to care about, there is dealing with NPA crisis, ramping up infrastructure projects, dealing with naxals, implementing gst and dealing with everything that has happened in last 5 years like Covid ukraine war, gaza etc.


There is a sensible way to criticise and discuss about performance of current govt but don't fall into trap of sem2sem with Congress, they want you to feel disappointed.

Its not people's fault if they have high expectations and want the govt. to continue the march forward with implementing UCC, disciplining anayay-murtiis, and some economic reforms. I however completely disagrees with abuses thrown at Modiji. Modiji has done way more than we could expect from others and abusing him is not the right thing to do. Ofcourse we can criticise but not abuse. Atleast for me the man has done enough to gain my lifelong resprect and love.

 

[truthsoldier]

View: https://x.com/Panditcasm/status/1918307210418848072?t=HDFEm7_vQE8u1ok-t_UMAw&s=19

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

View: https://x.com/erbmjha/status/1918302219172016322

I think its our generation between 1985 to 2006 that is actually woke pro max. This lady too has no reason to go and argue when the situation is already tense. This lady i suspect doesn't even have any political stake in it and still thinks its her moral duty to intervene and defend the green pigs.

Truly brain dead disassociated generation.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://x.com/erbmjha/status/1918302219172016322

I think its our generation between 1985 to 2006 that is actually woke pro max. This lady too has no reason to go and argue when the situation is already tense. This lady i suspect doesn't even have any political stake in it and still thinks its her moral duty to intervene and defend the green pigs.

Truly brain dead disassociated generation.

Chhattisgarh professor arrested for forcing students to recite namaz at NSS camp

Professor Dilip Jha of Guru Ghasidas University was arrested for allegedly forcing 159 students to offer namaz during an NSS camp in Bilaspur.

www.indiatoday.in

There's something deeply wrong with a section of Hindus. I can't quite put my finger on it but you come across half a dozen such cases easily on a daily basis.

 

[sea-gain]

BJP already gave Relief to UC by lifting Tax brackets and now he is trying to take bahujan into confidence. Covering all sides as much as possible

bold part.. elaborate Pls.. are we saying that UC have diff tax brackets compared to bhimta's ???

or

we saying that New regime is good for UC as they are majority tax payer ?

 

[shade2]

Chhattisgarh professor arrested for forcing students to recite namaz at NSS camp

Professor Dilip Jha of Guru Ghasidas University was arrested for allegedly forcing 159 students to offer namaz during an NSS camp in Bilaspur.

www.indiatoday.in

There's something deeply wrong with a section of Hindus. I can't quite put my finger on it but you come across half a dozen such cases easily on a daily basis.

>Hindu
No, these ones just haven't changed their names on their ID documents
Pull down their pants and you will know.

 

[swesh]

yes sir, you can read the latest ncert books here.
https://ncert.nic.in/textbook.php?hess3=5-8

They are the latest ones
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