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It's not the government's job unless you are into socialism
Food should never be left in hands of middleman. Maybe you are not familiar with the dark days pre 2014 when grain prices would fluctuate with season .
Gormint should always have a food reserve enough to feed the entire population for 2 years straight.

Maybe you are not aware of my history I have been food reserve afficionado since my early days of DFI
 
There is no long term 'disaster' in play when the govt is projecting a fiscal deficit of 4.4% and even that is likely a very conservative estimate.



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And here, I was trying to take you seriously.

MSPs are considered export subsidies (illegal in global trade). And the crops (wheat etc) are of lower quality that cannot match international products on a competitive market. This is precisely why I wrote that those crops just cannot be exported - in absence of a free food scheme, they will either rot in a godown or be offloaded at distilleries for dirt cheap prices.

Now you can question the MSP system but the incumbent is already moving away from the existing system in a gradual fashion. Crops that are procured outside the purview of PDS/MSP are already exported and not at all affected by the government's free food schemes.



The kind of fact free rubbish you are peddling on a public forum is astounding.


They have been gradually cutting down on agri subsidies and moving in favor of a more open market for quite a while now.



How do you expect to be taken seriously with takes like these?

You walk through life with blinders.



It matters little to me who or what you take seriously.

In all discussions with farmers, government has agreed to increase MSPs.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2024/Dec/20/centre-hikes-msp-for-copra-for-crop-season-2025

Europe has a lot of social security net, essentially freebies. With declining economi s and more population thanks to immigration, they are moving towards a disaster.
 
It's not the government's job unless you are into socialism.

The government should remove MSP and let excess grain be exported.

any particular authors you are sourcing your opinions from?

this one, and earlier MP one.
 
After a long time i am seeing an Ayn Rand ka choda on the board, real dumb and impratical takes for govt to follow like this gem

The government should remove MSP and let excess grain be exported.
 
any particular authors you are sourcing your opinions from?

this one, and earlier MP one.

MP has been cash strapped for a while. It also relies heavily on Central grants.

 
After a long time i am seeing an Ayn Rand ka choda on the board, real dumb and impratical takes for govt to follow like this gem

Ayn rand was a retard.

Your comical insults aside, what's the rationale for a non-directed MSP?
 
Food should never be left in hands of middleman. Maybe you are not familiar with the dark days pre 2014 when grain prices would fluctuate with season .
Gormint should always have a food reserve enough to feed the entire population for 2 years straight.

Maybe you are not aware of my history I have been food reserve afficionado since my early days of DFI

So you view food reserve as a strategic reserve or as a measure against price fluctuation?

It's one thing to balance supply, completely another to provide it for free.

I have seen what cheap food does to folks. They don't want to work and that has other inflationary effects.
 

Even the RBIwallahs are sounding alarm bells;


It does not hurt to remain cautious. The deficit nos are in public domain, btw, I wonder why you keep ignoring them and continue to desperately Google search for articles to lend credence to some preconceived notions that you won't change no matter what data says.


Irrelevant. Does not matter. They can afford higher deficits with no additional impact on the fiscal/budgetory side.

It matters little to me who or what you take seriously.

In all discussions with farmers, government has agreed to increase MSPs.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2024/Dec/20/centre-hikes-msp-for-copra-for-crop-season-2025

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The agri subsidy budget has been cut down. It is mathematically impossible to hand out more money to these 'annadatas' - it does not matter what the 'official' MSPs are. Gormint is making a fool out of these 'annadatas'.

Europe has a lot of social security net, essentially freebies. With declining economi s and more population thanks to immigration, they are moving towards a disaster.

Their economies are struggling cuz the cheap russkie energy has dried up and they let chongs take over/flood their domestic markets with little pushback. And above all, they could afford those 'freebies' cuz Uncle Sam used to take care of their defence needs which likely will not be the case from now on.

They had those safety nets cuz Uncle Sam allowed them to have them. It had little to do with their economic mess.

Either way, I would be happy if goras continue to get rekt so refraining from making any further comments on this.

MP has been cash strapped for a while. It also relies heavily on Central grants.

My goodness, the absolute height of desperation! Such articles can be made on every state administration (including Modi's Gujarat) we have had in the past 30 years. Tweaking, rerouting, cutting down on govt schemes is a routine affair.
 
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Even the RBIwallahs are sounding alarm bells;


It does not hurt to remain cautious. The deficit nos are in public domain, btw, I wonder why you keep ignoring them and continue to desperately Google search for articles to lend credence to some preconceived notions that you won't change no matter what data says.



Irrelevant. Does not matter. They can afford higher deficits with no additional impact on the fiscal/budgetory side.



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The agri subsidy budget has been cut down. It is mathematically impossible to hand out more money to these 'annadatas' - it does not matter what the 'official' MSPs are. Gormint is making a fool out of these 'annadatas'.



Their economies are struggling cuz the cheap russkie energy has dried up and they let chongs take over/flood their domestic markets with little pushback. And above all, they could afford those 'freebies' cuz Uncle Sam used to take care of their defence needs which is no longer the case.

They had those safety nets cuz Uncle Sam allowed them to have them. It had little to do with their economic mess.

Either way, I would be happy if goras continue to get rekt so refraining from making any further comments on this.

You seem to be in favour of deficits. Deficit funded growth happens when you invest in jobs, infra etc. not when you provide freebies. That's just retarded.

You are borrowing to hand out money that will not result in future revenues.

Not to beat up on MP, but it's capital overlay has decreased while budget has increased, primarily due to welfare.

Why would I believe you over what MSP figures are?

There are a lot of factors that contributed to decline of Europe.

Living beyond their means was one primary one.

They are now in a tricky position as they can't cut freebies or social safety net.
 
You seem to be in favour of deficits. Deficit funded growth happens when you invest in jobs, infra etc. not when you provide freebies. That's just retarded.

Deficits are part and parcel of modern economy. And they are coming down gradually with the latest union govt estimates pegging fiscal deficits at 4.4% - which in itself is a very conservative estimate to begin with. So these whole rr over 'muh freebies increasing deficits in India reee' does not stand a smell test.

You are borrowing to hand out money that will not result in future revenues.

Not to beat up on MP, but it's capital overlay has decreased while budget has increased, primarily due to welfare.

Why would I believe you over what MSP figures are?

Bruh, I cited you an article which showed reduction in agri subsidy budgets.

Imagine, you had an agri subsidy budget of 1000 crore in FY 2024-25. Now, you have been allocated 970 crore this fiscal.

How on earth, can you hand out more money to the annadatas? Were you dropped on your head?

There are a lot of factors that contributed to decline of Europe.

Living beyond their means was one primary one.

They are now in a tricky position as they can't cut freebies or social safety net.

I have written what I had to on my previous post. Won't write anything more on these disgusting goras - hopefully, more islamists in goraland soon.
 
Deficits are part and parcel of modern economy. And they are coming down gradually with the latest union govt estimates pegging fiscal deficits at 4.4% - which in itself is a very conservative estimate to begin with. So these whole rr over 'muh freebies increasing deficits in India reee' does not stand a smell test.



Bruh, I cited you an article which showed reduction in agri subsidy budgets.

Imagine, you had an agri subsidy budget of 1000 crore in FY 2024-25. Now, you have been allocated 970 crore this fiscal.

How on earth, can you hand out more money to the annadatas? Were you dropped on your head?



I have written what I had to on my previous post. Won't write anything more on these disgusting goras - hopefully, more islamists in goraland soon.

Again deficit to invest in infra, not dole out freebies.

Agri budget might have reduced marginally that doesn't mean all subsidy has come down. Tell me where the reduction has happened, which MSP has been reduced.

Europe is a cautionary tale for us. You are free to bury your head in the sand.
 
Again deficit to invest in infra, not dole out freebies.


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This gormint went all guns blazing on 'muh infra' and paid the price - even overestimating the RoI in the process. This is not my opinion btw, the likes of Neelkanth Mishra and Sajjid Chinoy are saying this.

And their capex push has slowed down since because they just do not have the state capacity to push more meaningful capacity right now. In other words, their ability to push capex is also limited.

The result?

The incumbent is sitting atop a giant pile of cash which they refuse to channel back into the economy. Heck, forget channeling it back - they won't even cut fuel prices despite crude hitting US$ 60 a barrel in international markets.

A govt that just cannot know how to spend should hand that money back and keep the economy flowing. It is not a cope to demand it as such. No amount of word salad infra kanging will change this ground reality.
Agri budget might have reduced marginally that doesn't mean all subsidy has come down. Tell me where the reduction has happened, which MSP has been reduced.

Do not just type nonsense for the sake of it.

Fertilizer subsidy has been slashed. Agri insurance schems have been slashed. A number of decremental changes in food subsidies/procurement programmes.



For all your rr over 'free food' schemes, even the food subsidy budget has been brought down to Rs 2 lakh crore from about Rs 2.8 lakh crore in only 4 years. If the food subsidies are cut, how will the gormint spend more on MSPs? Why do you think the 'annadatas' have been chimping out?

You should shout less and read more.

Europe is a cautionary tale for us. You are free to bury your head in the sand.

Yeah, buddy. Sure.
 

i keep seeing this guy's posts as ads.

you are taking economics gyan from someone who did b.com from ignou in 2017, probably did a course from here. even a possibility that, the chap hasn't entered into tax bracket.

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This gormint went all guns blazing on 'muh infra' and paid the price - even overestimating the RoI in the process. This is not my opinion btw, the likes of Neelkanth Mishra and Sajjid Chinoy are saying this.

And their capex push has slowed down since because they just do not have the state capacity to push more meaningful capacity right now. In other words, their ability to push capex is also limited.

The result?

The incumbent is sitting atop a giant pile of cash which they refuse to channel back into the economy. Heck, forget channeling it back - they won't even cut fuel prices despite crude hitting US$ 60 a barrel in international markets.

A govt that just cannot know how to spend should hand that money back and keep the economy flowing. It is not a cope to demand it as such. No amount of word salad infra kanging will change this ground reality.


Do not just type nonsense for the sake of it.

Fertilizer subsidy has been slashed. Agri insurance schems have been slashed. A number of decremental changes in food subsidies/procurement programmes.



For all your rr over 'free food' schemes, even the food subsidy budget has been brought down to Rs 2 lakh crore from about Rs 2.8 lakh crore in only 4 years. If the food subsidies are cut, how will the gormint spend more on MSPs? Why do you think the 'annadatas' have been chimping out?

You should shout less and read more.



Yeah, buddy. Sure.

None of that gibberish answered whether increasing deficit to funds freebies is economically prudent.

YOur ground reality is that you need freebies to win elections. That's a recipe for disaster.

No amount of cope will change that.

Are you literate? You can cut other subsidies to fund MSPs. That's what seems to be happening according to what you have posted.

Again, give me some examples of reduction in subsidy and not overall agri related budget.

You should go some decent school and understand the implications of what you type.

Also, do address the Telengana situation.
 
It's not economic gyan, it's common sense.

Are you arguing that reservation doesn't lower standards?
his profile banner says, he wants to abolish income tax.

please carry on with your world view. even if we have a convo, my opinions will not matter to you.
yes, reservations lower standards.
 
None of that gibberish answered whether increasing deficit to funds freebies is economically prudent.

Deficits are not increasing.
Freebies are not increasing (because subsidy budgets are declining).

Will you ever stop making an ass out of yourself?

YOur ground reality is that you need freebies to win elections. That's a recipe for disaster.

Nah, you can always lose an election so that congis can play around with your surplus.

No amount of cope will change that.

Are you literate? You can cut other subsidies to fund MSPs. That's what seems to be happening according to what you have posted.


Bwahahahaha! A decrease in food subsidies cannot coincide with an increase in MSP procurements.


If you are so confident, how about proving me wrong, anon? Show me that net procurements at the MSP rates are increasing y-o-y on real rupee terms? Choose any crop, wheat for instance. Show me that they are increasing.

Again, give me some examples of reduction in subsidy and not overall agri related budget.

I am losing patience now, just how big of a moron are you? What do you think food subsidies stand for?

You should go some decent school and understand the implications of what you type.

Oh, trust me. You do not want to know about my qualifications, some of the forum old timers are already aware and I do not like to brag.

Also, do address the Telengana situation.

Telangana is ruled by congressis, you effin' nutjob. KCR left them with bad fiscal health and the union govt is screwing them (they take pride in screwing states with poor fiscal health). Their CM will cry more once more allocations get cut.
 

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