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Orange man will achieve fuck all with his 21 year old DOGE edgelords and more interested in settling some personal scores. Indian infra is a state capacity issue, firing a bunch of entitled brats won't solve anything. I gave ya'll an example of police to population ratio - we need a bigger state machinery, not less.
Agree with you but even that small capacity is not managed well by babus be it police ,railway, army etc due to corruption, laziness ,chalta hai attitude. Goverment firing will do some good.hence my rant.
As far as orange man, he will achieve nothing but will take everyone for ride.
 
Agree with you but even that small capacity is not managed well by babus be it police ,railway, army etc due to corruption, laziness ,chalta hai attitude. Goverment firing will do some good.hence my rant.
As far as orange man, he will achieve nothing but will take everyone for ride.
I travel frequently in the Mumbai Suburban trains and the all the stations are filled to the brim and the bridges start vibrating when trains are entering and exiting the stations. It just takes one bad call to start a stampede and 10+ people are dead like that. You will just be a statistic to the Babu
 
GOI needs to follow mini-Airports model when it comes to railways.
1. Ticket counters outside
2. Allow only ticket holders inside
2a. In case minors and elderly need help to board, allow one person along with them. Link platform tickets to trains.
3. Link all tickets, including GC ones to trains. Sell only a certain amount of GC tickets.
4. Have separate platforms for local trains, de-linked to trains on long journeys
5. Every train station should have security constantly monitoring passengers in the station and checking their tickets.

We all need to remember, just because you sell 1000 tickets does not mean a train and train station can fit all of them. The physics will never work.
It will only end in disaster.
It's better for person or family miss the journey than risk lives.
 
GOI needs to follow mini-Airports model when it comes to railways.
1. Ticket counters outside
2. Allow only ticket holders inside
2a. In case minors and elderly need help to board, allow one person along with them. Link platform tickets to trains.
3. Link all tickets, including GC ones to trains. Sell only a certain amount of GC tickets.
4. Have separate platforms for local trains, de-linked to trains on long journeys
5. Every train station should have security constantly monitoring passengers in the station and checking their tickets.

We all need to remember, just because you sell 1000 tickets does not mean a train and train station can fit all of them. The physics will never work.
It will only end in disaster.
It's better for person or family miss the journey than risk lives.

Local train platforms are already separate at major stations and New Delhi does not run local trains. The rest of the points have been already addressed on this thread.

Airports are not managing some 20 crore+ weekly passengers. These 'airport models' do not work.
 
Local train platforms are already separate at major stations and New Delhi does not run local trains. The rest of the points have been already addressed on this thread.

Airports are not managing some 20 crore+ weekly passengers. These 'airport models' do not work.

There is no pointing selling 1000 tickets when platforms and trains can't fit the 1000.
Once we understand that simple fact, rest everything falls into place.

The reasons 'too many people need to travel', 'holiday season' etc etc matter naught when we understand the basic logic - just because you sell 1000 tickets does not mean the platforms and trains can fit them.

Everything else is just banal.
Just limit the passengers to the number that fit the trains and platforms. that's it.
 
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The curse of BIMARU.
Kolkata station is relatively OK when it comes to crowd but things gets worse as we head more into Bimaruland. Asanasol is 30 to 35% bimaru.
Not to mention its a Channel for West Bengali dehatis as well which are only a bit better than bimarus.

I guess out of the 60 crore visitor in prayagraj 20 to 30 crore are just Biharis. Saw this chaos first hand, old women, young women, middle aged women, todllers, 5 to 7 years Olds all pushing and shoving each other to get in a leg.

You won't belive the apathy of these people, they have lost all sense of awareness. Saw a women pushing her 7 year old child in the train compartment while he was screaming endlessly. An elderly women shoved out of train. People beating up passengers of Sleeper and third AC when they refused to share seat.

Gormint has allowed dehatis to flood the sleeper and 3d ac for some reason while guards are maintained at the 2nd and 1st tier.

The apathy of Bimaru is unreal, people here are willing to step over each other if it's means getting their way. Truly a people of low cunning.

I have some personal grievance regarding this, my father used to drag our family to bihar during holi and chath. Most of the time we had at least two seats my mom and dad's and we travelled associated with them as minors. But some times we didn't had seats and father would drag us to the train regardless. At the time I hated my father for it still do when I recall these things.
 
GOI needs to follow mini-Airports model when it comes to railways.
1. Ticket counters outside
2. Allow only ticket holders inside
2a. In case minors and elderly need help to board, allow one person along with them. Link platform tickets to trains.
3. Link all tickets, including GC ones to trains. Sell only a certain amount of GC tickets.
4. Have separate platforms for local trains, de-linked to trains on long journeys
5. Every train station should have security constantly monitoring passengers in the station and checking their tickets.

We all need to remember, just because you sell 1000 tickets does not mean a train and train station can fit all of them. The physics will never work.
It will only end in disaster.
It's better for person or family miss the journey than risk lives.
I too like to jott down some dozne points as a solution to a ongoing crisis but it's important to realize that these point lack nuances and quite out if touch with reality.
 
I too like to jott down some dozne points as a solution to a ongoing crisis but it's important to realize that these point lack nuances and quite out if touch with reality.

They are supposed to be points of discussion, not binding solutions.

In any industry we are taught to split a large problem into smaller chunks, identify the most important of the chunk and solve it first.

The issue is pretty clear. The infrastructure of current railway's cannot handle the large volume of people in some junctions.
This is not a unique problem that railways is facing. This happens with numerous industries.

At a smaller scale think of this issue as a popular food joint that gets 500 people for lunch but can only cook and serve for 200.
The immediate solution is very clear. Just admit 200 and serve them.
The long term solution is also very clear. Expand the kitchen and serving area to cater to 500.

The problem should not be lost in nuances when it's staring at our faces. Unlike overcrowding in restaurant, this one can have catastrophic consequences as we have seen repeatedly in multiple railway stations across India in last decade.
our current infrastructure in some junctions does not have the capacity to serve the volume of people that are coming in.
The immediate solution is very clear, limit the volume.
That's the only immediate solution. There is no other. Thinking there is some other solution is basically lying.
 
1. Ticket counters outside
This particular point should not even be considered for train's in India, I always have to go with my mother to have her seated in the train as she can't read, so not even feasible, there are many like me who have to do this, this point can only be used for airport not anywhere else.
 
There is no pointing selling 1000 tickets when platforms and trains can't fit the 1000.
Once we understand that simple fact, rest everything falls into place.

This is an issue only now - that too only in certain regions. Once this Kumbh thingy ends things will go back to normal. IR cannot even pinpoint the 'problematic' stretches because there are too many. If you stop selling tickets for 'unreserved coaches' across all the North bound lines it will create a gigantic mess that nobody will be able to handle because there are a lot of people who are not pilgrims and will travel anyway (by road).

The reasons 'too many people need to travel', 'holiday season' etc etc matter naught when we understand the basic logic - just because you sell 1000 tickets does not mean the platforms and trains can fit them.

A lot of these same folks will not stop traveling just coz you are not selling tickets for unreserved coaches anymore. And the excess highway/expressway capacity does not exist yet. Do you want to all our national highways to look like Bengaluru roads?

Gormint has allowed dehatis to flood the sleeper and 3d ac for some reason while guards are maintained at the 2nd and 1st tier.

Possibly because the ROFwallahs do not have the number to patrol all the 3rd AC and sleeper coaches. Perhaps, additional deployment of CISF, CRPF etc can be sought after on a temporary basis - not sure how practical this solution is tho.
 
These problems will continue to happen if run only 2-4 express trains from Delhi to Lucknow overnight and Inter cities train in day time. People will continue overboard these limited night trains in order to reach respective cities in least amount of time.

Need of hour is to run an express train every 15-20 min from both sides between Delhi and Lucknow and then From Lucknow onwards new trains instead of running same train from Lucknow towards Bengal via Bihar. Run Inter-city trains every 30-40 min with general class and chair cars.

There is a single line from Delhi to Lucknow which handles 90% of the traffic and there is one Chhota Line which runs EMUs but handle only 10-20% of crowd and not very popular.​
 
These problems will continue to happen if run only 2-4 express trains from Delhi to Lucknow overnight and Inter cities train in day time. People will continue overboard these limited night trains in order to reach respective cities in least amount of time.

Need of hour is to run an express train every 15-20 min from both sides between Delhi and Lucknow and then From Lucknow onwards new trains instead of running same train from Lucknow towards Bengal via Bihar. Run Inter-city trains every 30-40 min with general class and chair cars.

There is a single line from Delhi to Lucknow which handles 90% of the traffic and there is one Chhota Line which runs EMUs but handle only 10-20% of crowd and not very popular.​


IR used COVID as an reason to cancel lot of MEMU trains across India. Also they never do demand study. They just increase train for the sake of it.

People in my hometown Trichy asking an second train bengaluru for last 3 decades. Still nothing happpened. In the meanwhile they shortened the route but no train service is used. Finally now they went with VB from Madurai which runs via Trichy.

Only sane thing they are not doing route extension like UPA. Chidambaram extended Pallavan Express, Rockfort express upto Karaikudi. (Not get some votes). Traditionally an Trichy trains.
 

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