Indian Small Arms and Weapons

Ayan Barat said:
Max specified SAAMI pressure for 7.62x39mm is 310MPa
The same for your "lower-pressure" .300BLK is 380MPa.

Bring technical points like bullet weight, velocity, BC, SD to back your argument of 300BLK being better than 7.62x39mm. Don't use vague terms like "optimised for quieter performance"

And don't go so much by American advertisements; .300BLK will always be 2010 copy of 1940's 7.62x39mm.
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Bhai when you talk about ballistic coefficient and sectional density .300 BLK especially in subsonic has good aerodynamic efficiency for short to mid-range That’s why it’s favored for suppressed stealth operations where a balance of performance and noise reduction is key.

On.300 BLK being a 2010 version of 7.62x39mm it took inspiration from it but it was designed to work within specific needs of the modern AR platform and that’s where it outperforms in some areas It’s not just hype it’s built for a different role So while both rounds have their strengths it’s all about what the mission demands.
 
Mr.Evil said:
Bhai when you talk about ballistic coefficient and sectional density .300 BLK especially in subsonic has good aerodynamic efficiency for short to mid-range That’s why it’s favored for suppressed stealth operations where a balance of performance and noise reduction is key.

On.300 BLK being a 2010 version of 7.62x39mm it took inspiration from it but it was designed to work within specific needs of the modern AR platform and that’s where it outperforms in some areas It’s not just hype it’s built for a different role So while both rounds have their strengths it’s all about what the mission demands.
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Okay, last question...I won't bother you again

> .300BLK
220gr OTFB, BC .680, SD 0.331, Load 10gr H-110, Lapua case, CCI Primer and velocity of 1010fps.
> 7.62x39mm
220gr OTFB, BC .629, SD 0.331, Load 10gr H-110, Lapua case, CCI Primer and velocity of 1050fps.
> Both fired from a DI Mil-Spec upper with 16" barrel albeit with different barrels and bolt.
> Both shot with the same TBAC Magnus suppressor

Now tell me how exactly is .300BLK going to outperform 7.62x39mm in this specific scenario? Just answer this, nothing else

The only noticable difference between a .300BLK and 7.62x39mm is the case heads; AKs use a 11.35mm case head and ARs use a 9.60mm case head. .300BLK being developed from 5.56x45mm doesn't need a different bolt to chamber but for 7.62x39mm you'd need a newer bolt; easily an additional $80 expense.
But perhaps more importantly increasing the cartridge recess on a AR-15 bolt from 9.60 to 11.35mm seriously compromises the structural integrity of the bolt...hence people generally go for .300BLK.
 
BlackViking said:
INSAS LMG tender was for the following
1. Picatinny Dust cover with original iron sight
2. Folding Butt
3. Pistol Grip
4. A dovetail rail adapter for older sights
5. Waterproof carry case

No sights, mag or bipods

Agar kabhi NCOR ki copy mile to dekhna. Every fricking specification is SAPL's. They are distributors for Fab, Eotech and some more foreign manufacturers.

Aajkal ye log eotech holos ke piche pade hue hain. Reticle: 2MoA dot and 68MoA circle with BDC
Brightness settings: 20 day 10 night.

Most manufacturers have standardised 2MoA dot and 65MoA circle. Also generally you will get 10-15 brightness settings. But if you take any other sight you are bound fail.
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Man i fucking hate SAPL its an embodiment of corruption.

Also , tbh our army can't really afford nor needs something costly and premium like eotech better go for cheaper options like holosun and rather expand the order size .
 
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Baseplate said:
Man i fucking hate SAPL its an embodiment of corruption.

Also , tbh our army can't really afford nor needs something costly and premium like eotech better go for cheaper options like holosun and rather expand the order size .
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Holoson is Chinese still there are better budget option if you want EOTech like great field of view than mepro tru vision rds
And if you want aimpoint
Get sig4xt pro or aimpoint pro rds or duty rds every one of them is under 500 dollars and is reliable with great performance more or less similar to high end gucci optics
 
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Ayan Barat said:
Okay, last question...I won't bother you again

> .300BLK
220gr OTFB, BC .680, SD 0.331, Load 10gr H-110, Lapua case, CCI Primer and velocity of 1010fps.
> 7.62x39mm
220gr OTFB, BC .629, SD 0.331, Load 10gr H-110, Lapua case, CCI Primer and velocity of 1050fps.
> Both fired from a DI Mil-Spec upper with 16" barrel albeit with different barrels and bolt.
> Both shot with the same TBAC Magnus suppressor

Now tell me how exactly is .300BLK going to outperform 7.62x39mm in this specific scenario? Just answer this, nothing else

The only noticable difference between a .300BLK and 7.62x39mm is the case heads; AKs use a 11.35mm case head and ARs use a 9.60mm case head. .300BLK being developed from 5.56x45mm doesn't need a different bolt to chamber but for 7.62x39mm you'd need a newer bolt; easily an additional $80 expense.
But perhaps more importantly increasing the cartridge recess on a AR-15 bolt from 9.60 to 11.35mm seriously compromises the structural integrity of the bolt...hence people generally go for .300BLK.
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Yea iam not continuing more after this lmaoo
Ok if we talk about 220gr bullet, similar powder, same suppressor, and similar velocities, there really isn’t going to be a huge difference in performance between .300 BLK and 7.62x39mm in terms of ballistics the performance will be be mostly neck to neck.

The real benefit of .300 BLK isn’t in performance but in how well it works with the AR-15 platform. Since ita made to fit seamlessly with setups that already use 5.56 its way more convenient for those who don’t want to swap out bolts or other parts Plus, like you mentioned, AR-15 bolts are sturdier when they stick to the 9.60mm case head size That’s a big reason why a lot of people lean toward .300 BLK especially for running suppressors.
 
ASMI - Lokesh Machine Tools - 9x19 mm (2024)

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Noob said:

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1832627625128530408?t=mhMXJ4oaN1qCICdqo6hkaw&s=19


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1832627627200540796?t=NLkK5cjMGZfyWauJYLvtRg&s=19


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1832627630367240616?t=AvKCeakZ2DQCnNrNBeu41A&s=19


So it's official no SSSD disqualified, even before the trials*slow claps*
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SSSD was established in 2017, this matter is from 2019. if gormint starts allowing two year old companies in large bids, that's how scams happen and dalals get into the system. and remember this is happening around the same time, ambani junior effed up his OPV contract, bureaucracy would have been extra cautious.
 
Noob said:

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1832627625128530408?t=mhMXJ4oaN1qCICdqo6hkaw&s=19


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1832627627200540796?t=NLkK5cjMGZfyWauJYLvtRg&s=19


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1832627630367240616?t=AvKCeakZ2DQCnNrNBeu41A&s=19


So it's official no SSSD disqualified, even before the trials*slow claps*
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Companies like BEL should be thrown to dustbin. It is basically bolt by bolt screwdrivergiri by them for guns which they are going to do like other Optics product they developed/manufacturing.

Sometimes it feels like we are in pre 1990s era where industries don't know Jackshit about anything and we need foreign baniyas need to setup an factory and teach us how to build rifles/guns/etc.

ARDE already opened some of their gun testing facility. Get some former OFB babus/Army gun guys/ARDE and develop something on our own.

Till how many years we will jerk off to Japanese quality, German finesse for eternity. Where is the Indian Quality standard? Even Chinese carved out their own quality standards.

My morning Rant ends.
 
ezsasa said:
SSSD was established in 2017, this matter is from 2019. if gormint starts allowing two year old companies in large bids, that's how scams happen and dalals get into the system. and remember this is happening around the same time, ambani junior effed up his OPV contract, bureaucracy would have been extra cautious.
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That was old RFI which had conclusion this is the new RFI which was released in 2021 and if companies like incomm and Jindal and incomm are allowed who formed the JV in 21/22 SSSD should be allowed too that's just what I think.
 
Noob said:

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1832627625128530408?t=mhMXJ4oaN1qCICdqo6hkaw&s=19


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1832627627200540796?t=NLkK5cjMGZfyWauJYLvtRg&s=19


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1832627630367240616?t=AvKCeakZ2DQCnNrNBeu41A&s=19


So it's official no SSSD disqualified, even before the trials*slow claps*
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My favourite company 😃
I always wanted to write a detailed article on them but sadly DFI got closed, anyhow...

So Paavak
This is the most advanced Indian Small Arms firm; even giants like OFBs can't match them. And still no one has even heard about them.

These are the total number of offering they have in each categories
Pistols - 2, Carbines - 3, Assault Rifles - 17, Light Machine Gun - 3, Sniper Rifles - 16, and Shotgun - 5

Not intrigued yet? Not just this but they also offers 8 calibres of ammunition; from 9x19mm to 50 BMG.

Still unbothered? Then read...multiple suppressor, NVG, Binoculars, LAMs, Reflex Sights, Laser Range Finders, Prism Scopes, Parachute, LPVOs, Spotter Scope, Picatinny Mounts, a freaking Jet Boot, Bipod

Just like majority of IDDM defence firm here, they also have a catch with them. Every single thing they offer; from a small replacement sight for Glock to a belt-fed machine gun is imported. Not just that, but they seems to be a small Indian front for an UAE based operation. They have so little knowledge of firearms that they offer .260 Remington, a round with neither military nor civilian market in India. The blindly copy the BATF classification of guns and list two carbines as "pistol".
 
Noob said:
Who's BSS? and the criteria is bullshit...
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This is a requirement that's there in every government tender from a road to destroyer. This discourages anyone from scamming the system but sadly as a collateral damage it also hinders smaller start-ups from participating no matter how good of a product they have.

Ask yourself, you want SSS Defence to be allowed in trials. But don't want Garuda Aerospace to participates in one.
This is why there's this clause.
 
Ayan Barat said:
This is a requirement that's there in every government tender from a road to destroyer. This discourages anyone from scamming the system but sadly as a collateral damage it also hinders smaller start-ups from participating no matter how good of a product they have.

Ask yourself, you want SSS Defence to be allowed in trials. But don't want Garuda Aerospace to participates in one.
This is why there's this clause.
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Fair enough
 
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