Indian Small Arms and Weapons

[Ayan Barat]

Ok can someone explain me in simpler terms what is this whole case here? Ik that Kalashnikov was rejected in carbine tender for not a satisfying reason hence they are suing but whats more to it or am I wrong completely
@Noob @Ayan Barat
@Noob

So imagine a small town boy and a girl whose parents arrange their marriage. They get married, though initially bit distant they soon fall in love thinking about the great future they can have. Everything goes well and soon they have a baby girl. But suddenly fate strikes the boy, out of nowhere he gets to know about an affair his wife was having with another chap. Not just that but he finds chats where she had promised to have a baby with that other guy.

Hope this helps.

 

[Mr.Evil]

So imagine a small town boy and a girl whose parents arrange their marriage. They get married, though initially bit distant they soon fall in love thinking about the great future they can have. Everything goes well and soon they have a baby girl. But suddenly fate strikes the boy, out of nowhere he gets to know about an affair his wife was having with another chap. Not just that but he finds chats where she had promised to have a baby with that other guy.

Hope this helps.

Haha this would help more if I know who is who

 

[Baseplate]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNm151O8sY

 

[Noob]

Haha this would help more if I know who is who

Small town boy is IRPL
Girl is Kalashnikov
And BSS is the another guy

 

[Mr.Evil]

So imagine a small town boy and a girl whose parents arrange their marriage. They get married, though initially bit distant they soon fall in love thinking about the great future they can have. Everything goes well and soon they have a baby girl. But suddenly fate strikes the boy, out of nowhere he gets to know about an affair his wife was having with another chap. Not just that but he finds chats where she had promised to have a baby with that other guy.

Hope this helps.

Small town boy is IRPL
Girl is Kalashnikov
And BSS is the another guy

Now I get it thanks boys

 

[IWIarad11]

Small town boy is IRPL
Girl is Kalashnikov
And BSS is the another guy

+MoD kaun hai?

 

[Noob]

+MoD kaun hai?

Tamasha oraganize karane wale

 

[Ayan Barat]

• In one para brags about having 22 patents.
(Trust me, 22 is a lot for a company no one knows. I know a thing or two about firearms and with this much you can make the most advanced gun)

• But in the very next para they claim they're representatives of OEMs.
(So if even after 22 patents you're still a representative then why waste close to 20lakh rupees on IPR?)

• Kalashnikov Concern and Lobaev Arms are highly reputed!!
Then what about Heckler & Koch? Or even FN Herstal.

• But perhaps the most interesting, they claim to be representative of IRRPL. Now this point is interesting.
IRRPL was formed as a joint venture between AWEIL(50.5%), a PSU and Kalashnikov Concern with the sole purpose of making and maintaining the 6.5lakh order of AK-203. So how can a private entity, that too of no reputation claim to be representative of a strategic joint venture where the majority share holder is freaking Government of India!?

Convince me this whole BSS thing or even the company itself is 100% clean.

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

"Dehradun based startup" Lmao sure sure..

As a citizen of dehradun i disown them

 

[ezsasa]

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• In one para brags about having 22 patents.
(Trust me, 22 is a lot for a company no one knows. I know a thing or two about firearms and with this much you can make the most advanced gun)

• But in the very next para they claim they're representatives of OEMs.
(So if even after 22 patents you're still a representative then why waste close to 20lakh rupees on IPR?)

• Kalashnikov Concern and Lobaev Arms are highly reputed!!
Then what about Heckler & Koch? Or even FN Herstal.

• But perhaps the most interesting, they claim to be representative of IRRPL. Now this point is interesting.
IRRPL was formed as a joint venture between AWEIL(50.5%), a PSU and Kalashnikov Concern with the sole purpose of making and maintaining the 6.5lakh order of AK-203. So how can a private entity, that too of no reputation claim to be representative of a strategic joint venture where the majority share holder is freaking Government of India!?

Convince me this whole BSS thing or even the company itself is 100% clean.

how much hard cash Kalashnikov is putting in IRRPL or is it only I.P?

 

[Ayan Barat]

how much hard cash Kalashnikov is putting in IRRPL or is it only I.P?

It's hard to get financials of an unlisted firm so their investment data would be bit tricky to get.

But what I can tell you is IP.
The only thing that comes even close to IP of Kalashnikov Concern is just a single patent from 2022 and too because no-one else bothered to patent something so straightforward in India. The patent is literally about adding a Picatinny rail on top of dust cover, making rifling tolerance tighter, adding cross pins in gas block/sight/muzzle device to secure them and a new mechanism of dust cover retention.

If they've not invested in this JV then they would be taking half of the money for a single Looney Tune ahh patent.
This is called business.

 

[Ayan Barat]

On BSS's website they've picture showing their state of the art manufacturing facility

But the topic of interest is the last one, because it has a gun

A Grand Power Stribog to be precise. Also remember the green trouser and black t-shirt of the guy.

Turns out these images are from the Grand Power's manufacturing unit in Banska Bystrica, Slovakia.

Grand Power Factory Visit Report (extremely picture heavy)

Mods -- I don't create threads at BE very often, if this is in the wrong section please move it to where appropriate. So I was visiting friends in Brno in April and figured it's less than 2 hours train ride to Bratislava, why not ask gentlemen from Grand Power if I could come visit the factory? A...

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Same green trouser and black t-shirt

So this is the kind of operation they're running and still have the audacity to cry foul after getting rejected by MoD

But kudos to them...they successfully managed to make me waste so much of my time

 

[Noob]

On BSS's website they've picture showing their state of the art manufacturing facility
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But the topic of interest is the last one, because it has a gun
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A Grand Power Stribog to be precise. Also remember the green trouser and black t-shirt of the guy.

Turns out these images are from the Grand Power's manufacturing unit in Banska Bystrica, Slovakia.

Grand Power Factory Visit Report (extremely picture heavy)

Mods -- I don't create threads at BE very often, if this is in the wrong section please move it to where appropriate. So I was visiting friends in Brno in April and figured it's less than 2 hours train ride to Bratislava, why not ask gentlemen from Grand Power if I could come visit the factory? A...

forums.brianenos.com

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Same green trouser and black t-shirt
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So this is the kind of operation they're running and still have the audacity to cry foul after getting rejected by MoD

But kudos to them...they successfully managed to make me waste so much of my time

This is next level of Scam going on

 

[username unkown]

On BSS's website they've picture showing their state of the art manufacturing facility
View attachment 8822
But the topic of interest is the last one, because it has a gun
View attachment 8823
A Grand Power Stribog to be precise. Also remember the green trouser and black t-shirt of the guy.

Turns out these images are from the Grand Power's manufacturing unit in Banska Bystrica, Slovakia.

Grand Power Factory Visit Report (extremely picture heavy)

Mods -- I don't create threads at BE very often, if this is in the wrong section please move it to where appropriate. So I was visiting friends in Brno in April and figured it's less than 2 hours train ride to Bratislava, why not ask gentlemen from Grand Power if I could come visit the factory? A...

forums.brianenos.com

View attachment 8824
Same green trouser and black t-shirt
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So this is the kind of operation they're running and still have the audacity to cry foul after getting rejected by MoD

But kudos to them...they successfully managed to make me waste so much of my time

And they claim 22 patents LoL

 

[Baseplate]

And they claim 22 patents LoL

Patents in yapping perhaps

 

[vampyrbladez]

So Russians tried to go out of bounds and form a fake JV with BSS bypassing IRRPL with some dubious bonafide certificate to produce AK 19.

Naturally MoD rejected BSS for the tender and now they go on twitter raging against IRRPL who categorically denies anything to do with them.

Russians meanwhile act coy and cut off BSS.

This is next level scam.

 

[vampyrbladez]

View: https://x.com/adityab_77/status/1832778398982156520?s=46

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See the drama on this front

View: https://x.com/Sudhir140968/status/1832739516706123869

 

[VictorDelta4]

View: https://x.com/Sudhir140968/status/1832739516706123869

This is nothing but social media bullshit. After all the crap the IRPL went through along with the delays, I am pretty sure no one other than them will manufacture the 203.
And the BSSS bullshit going on is just a long term scam that MOD caught up early. it will drag on in courts, however it will not end up anywhere.

 

[Ayan Barat]

The absolute state of private sector Defence & Aerospace in India

 

[vampyrbladez]

It seems that the only link between BSS and IRRPL is some vague letter from Arkady Privalov who is one of the 4 Russian directors (there are 4 Indian ones as well).

In letter 1 Arkady tells BSS to go and talk to IRRPL officially but in letter 2 Arcady allows BSS to represent IRRPL?

However notice the difference in spelling Arcady vs Arkady in the IRRPL authorisation letter.

What kind of dehati outfit is BSS?

Directors of Indo- Russian Rifles Private Limited are Sudhir Kumar Sharma, Evgeny Valeryevich Evlashin, Tanvi Lamba, Viacheslav Vladimirovich Kozlov, Arkadiy Viktorovich Privalov, Rajesh Gangadhar Choudhary, Akhilesh Kumar Maurya, Prakash Agarwala, Evgeny Valeryevich Evlashin, Sudhir Kumar Sharma and Andrei Alexandrovich Baryshnikov.

https://www.zaubacorp.com/company/I...Russian Rifles,Sudhir Kumar Sharma and Andrei

IRRPL has its Russian shareholders (Rosoboronexport and Concern Kalashnikov) and the Indian shareholders (Advanced Weapons and Equipment India Limited (AWEIL) and Munitions India Limited (MIL)). The Board of Directors of IRRPL comprises four Directors each from Russia and India.

https://irrpl.co.in/