Indian Small Arms and Weapons

[VictorDelta4]

Is there an Indian equivalent to this? what do Indian Anti personal/PDM munitons look like?
M86 Pursuit Deterrent Munition




View: https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/1833174749213864238

 

[KAB7777]

Its funny how SS defence always claim that their deal with LMT is no more but all articles still call them SS-LMT the name they used during when they were in their first def expo.

As I’ve already stated in the previous forum, that SSSD utilise this company when they’re bidding for certain contracts as it is already there. The JV with LMT is non-existent anymore, but the company for the purpose of the JV is still in existence and fully owned by SSSD.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Is there an Indian equivalent to this? what do Indian Anti personal/PDM munitons look like?
M86 Pursuit Deterrent Munition
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View: https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/1833174749213864238

These are bit too complex and costly for us to use on a large scale. We primarily have three AP mines.

• Nipun; analogous to VS-50 type plastic "toe popper" mines.
• Ulka; analogous to M-16 type "bouncing betty" mines.
• Parth; analogous to M-18 type "Claymore" mines.

 

[Baseplate]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWAW81MBet4

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mh3P0WjRx4

One of the best semi auto sniper rifle , an ideal contender for our contact just chamber it in 7.62 NATO .
used by CAG

 

[Noob]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWAW81MBet4

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mh3P0WjRx4

One of the best semi auto sniper rifle , an ideal contender for our contact just chamber it in 7.62 NATO .
used by CAG

Don't have a tie up with an Indian company so not getting offered

 

[VictorDelta4]

Don't have a tie up with an Indian company so not getting offered

Just get the MRAD and be done with it.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Just get the MRAD and be done with it.

MRAD!?

@VictorDelta4 arguing with CRPF that his semi-auto conversion of bolt action MRAD is absolutely safe to fire and is on par with other DMRs

 

[VictorDelta4]

MRAD!?

@VictorDelta4 arguing with CRPF that his semi-auto conversion of bolt action MRAD is absolutely safe to fire and is on par with other DMRs
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I was wondering when you would see this Ofcourse this isnt close to what they want.

 

[Noob]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1834314113927053584?t=LxRQp3PDW_MnX8hhZ3fTdQ&s=19

Wild card Entry this is the best chance they have at a Tender

 

[VictorDelta4]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1834314113927053584?t=LxRQp3PDW_MnX8hhZ3fTdQ&s=19

Wild card Entry this is the best chance they have at a Tender

Are there any videos available of their semi auto variant rifle?

 

[Noob]

Are there any videos available of their semi auto variant rifle?

Nope infact we have very few vids from SSSD it's possible they are working on the variant rn.

 

[Ayan Barat]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1834314113927053584?t=LxRQp3PDW_MnX8hhZ3fTdQ&s=19

Wild card Entry this is the best chance they have at a Tender

Semi-auto variant of a bolt action rifle! Wait what!?

Which year of World War 2 we're in?

 

[VictorDelta4]

Semi-auto variant of a bolt action rifle! Wait what!?

Which year of World War 2 we're in?

 

[Baseplate]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1834314113927053584?t=LxRQp3PDW_MnX8hhZ3fTdQ&s=19

Wild card Entry this is the best chance they have at a Tender

@KAB7777 sir can u get some more info from Vivek Sir

 

[samsaptaka]

In early 1960s we adopted new SMLEs in 7.62x51mm and replaced our .303. Then came SLRs in the same caliber and not just being a standard issue rifle of army, it was also procured by police and CAPFs. To supplement the SLRs we adopted Bren Guns in 7.62x51mm, still our standard issue LMG. Then came FN MAGs or as called locally MMGs, from platoons to tanks to bunkers, everyone got a MMG in 7.62x51mm. Replacement of both Bren and MAGs; some 40 thousand machine guns are also supposed to be in 7.62x51mm. Not to mention whenever we'd replace SVDs it would be in 7.62x51mm only.

But ya, I do sometimes wonder whether there's enough ammo to sustain them for the next decade or not. Especially when we've started not just manufacturing NATO spec ammunition but exporting them to USA.

I think the problem Vivek Krishnan was pointing was that the first batch of SiGs performed poorly with OFB ammo and IA had to import the ammo also !

 

[samsaptaka]

View: https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1829202963144806798

I smell Chandigarh lobby

Absolutely shameful.. we can't be treating our entrepreneurs like this if we have to develop the military Industrial complex

Who said gernails and GoI want to develop a MiC ? All they want is kickbacks and a plush seaside villa ..

 

[samsaptaka]

Yup, we may argue on the feasibility of 5.8x42mm vs 6.8x51mm but must agree on the flawless execution of even a suboptimal idea.
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Carbine, Assault Rifle, Designated Marksmen Rifle and Squad Automatic Weapon, all using not just the same caliber but even interchangeable magazines.

Any other country and gernails would have been fired. IA top brass should hang their heads in shame. But if we point this out, we become sadakchap ssb fail chapris

 

[Ayan Barat]

I think the problem Vivek Krishnan was pointing was that the first batch of SiGs performed poorly with OFB ammo and IA had to import the ammo also !

That whole story of "SIG-716i problem OFB ammo" was most probably a hit job by some Indian firm who had JV with some foreign manufacturer, that got cancelled in favour of SIG-716i

There is no such thing as "high power LMG round", except for proof load each and every 7.62x51mm round follows the same parameter.

The most funny thing about this story was that it revolved around a very special cartridge custom made for LMGs that's not supposed to be fired from assault rifle. Okay genius...then what the heck were we fring from our FN FALs for almost five decades!? Or now FN FAL too is a hIgH pOwEr LmG!?

 

[IWIarad11]

That whole story of "SIG-716i problem OFB ammo" was most probably a hit job by some Indian firm who had JV with some foreign manufacturer, that got cancelled in favour of SIG-716i

There is no such thing as "high power LMG round", except for proof load each and every 7.62x51mm round follows the same parameter.

The most funny thing about this story was that it revolved around a very special cartridge custom made for LMGs that's not supposed to be fired from assault rifle. Okay genius...then what the heck were we fring from our FN FALs for almost five decades!? Or now FN FAL too is a hIgH pOwEr LmG!?

Makes sense. But if you watched any of the sig firing vids, you must have noticed the v high shocker of a recoil. That wasn't there in any of the reviews by american guntubers I watched on YT? Why is that? Like just genuinely curious.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Makes sense. But if you watched any of the sig firing vids, you must have noticed the v high shocker of a recoil. That wasn't there in any of the reviews by american guntubers I watched on YT? Why is that? Like just genuinely curious.

What were these chaps firing before they were handed a SIG-716i? Most probably an INSAS. Now let's talk about INSAS

There are numerous problems in an INSAS, from suboptimal design to pathetic manufacturing but...even on its worst day, an INSAS shoots like a laser.
It's a heavy 4kg rifle that fires a wimpy 5.56x45mm round, resulting in a recoil energy of just around 4.5 joules. Now compare that to what most Americans shoot, a M4; same round but from a 3.4kg gun resulting in a recoil energy of almost 8 joules.

For SIG-716i this recoil energy should be somewhere around 14 joules.
I guess now even you can tell who would be more familiar with the increased recoil; our grunts or theirs.

Furthermore, our shooting techniques are prehistoric. Shooting techniques play a key role in how effectively you can "tame" the recoil of a gun. This is reason why trained 3-gun shooters in USA can handle the recoil so gracefully despite being literal kids.