Indian Small Arms and Weapons (32 Viewers)

[ManhattanProject]

Isn't the CQB carbine for everyone that is not an infantryman ? For vehicle and arty crews and support personnel ..more like PWD than for any "assault detachment"?

Marcos should aquire some and modify them like the koreans did with their deawoo carbines.

 

[VictorDelta4]

Marcos should aquire some and modify them like the koreans did with their deawoo carbines.

They are probably the only one's who would ever do something like this in the entire Indian military.

 

[vampyrbladez]

That too this (2023 batch of manufacturing) looks like one of the examples that was used in trials and testing based on the wear and tear on it, it looks well used. Both Small Arms Factory (SAF) Kanpur of the erstwhile OFB (now AWEIL) and Bharat Forge (KSSL) made pieces for ARDE of the same design for trials and testing.View attachment 40951
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Look at the ears on the ironsights. It's a machined single piece instead of cheap spot welded metal ears. Finally it looks like a Galil!

Are there prominent ARDE and KSSL guys here as fellow defence weebs looking at all our feedback!



INSAS 1B1 iron sights



ARDE CQB iron sights



Galil ACE iron sights

 

[vampyrbladez]

 

[indrajit]

No one gets it right the very first time.
INSAS was a learning experience. This will hopefully be better.

The Mk2 will be even better.

Let's just hope it's better than INSAS and doesn't get the high praise INSAS did.

I want to see Indian troops with their own type of rifles. There's a certain level of pride factor there.

Even a small nation like Poland is trying to adopt the MSBS Grot. There's just something about the rifle being a symbol of a military.

The Russians have their AKs, the Americans have their AR, the Chinese have their QBZs (garbage but it was there), the British have their SA80s, the French have their FAMAS, the germans have their G36s, what do we have?

This will be a step in the right direction not just as a rifle but the mindset itself.

Maybe someone somewhere will start asking important, deeply philosophical questions like "Why stop at rifles?"

I think the problem with INSAS was not the design as much as it was poor production. Wont happen now.

 

[ManhattanProject]

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I fucking hate the front sling loop on the barrel, the rear loop is good but the front one is retarded.

 

[aspdeepak]

Look at the ears on the ironsights. It's a machined single piece instead of cheap spot welded metal ears. Finally it looks like a Galil!

Are there prominent ARDE and KSSL guys here as fellow defence weebs looking at all our feedback!

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INSAS 1B1 iron sights

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ARDE CQB iron sights

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Galil ACE iron sights

Upper receiver of ARDE carbine is manufactured using Metal Injection Moulding technique so it's a single piece.

It's not cheap stamped metal with lots of rivets in INSAS. So the quality is much better.

Metal injection moulding is much suitable for mass manufacturing with greater precision though it is much cheaper and faster than machining(CNC).

Moreover the design isn't that bad looking when you compare with Indian version of AK-203.

People who think of supreme aesthetics doesn't take into account of overall cost of equipping a massive Army(4 lakh isn't a small number).

Moreover in this case the IPO stays within India.

 

[neelaslayer]

View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1937494218294849958?s=61&t=yuvGwS0cN0KJv4VlBwTZFg

ARDE-Bharat Forge 5.56x45mm CQB Carbine in Full Auto Mode.

Is the recoil good enough

 

[KarmaWeapon]

Is the recoil good enough

Recoil is good

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/R3ylH5n_2U0

 

[ManhattanProject]

Proper procurement by the japanese.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

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[cobra commando]

View: https://youtu.be/6-yxGLH1808?si=IwiPZODGcwhsHDOG

 

[Yt2211]

Why so much recoil

View: https://youtu.be/6-yxGLH1808?si=vXryiEXpXkHMTns1

 

[randombully]

Why so much recoil

View: https://youtu.be/6-yxGLH1808?si=vXryiEXpXkHMTns1

5.56×45 round of insas rifle has a more spicy charge compared to nato 5.56×45 nato.
Probably that round is being fired.
Plus being a carbine it's relatively lighter at ~3kg without magazine.
Compared to 3.8kg ak203 without mag.
And ~4kg insas without mag.

 

[redpanda]

5.56×45 round of insas rifle has a more spicy charge compared to nato 5.56×45 nato.
Probably that round is being fired.
Plus being a carbine it's relatively lighter at ~3kg without magazine.
Compared to 3.8kg ak203 without mag.
And ~4kg insas without mag.

I hope they make a DMR out of it. We need to replace those old SVDs. Although I'm rooting for SSS defence's DMR.

 

[VictorDelta4]

I hope they make a DMR out of it. We need to replace those old SVDs. Although I'm rooting for SSS defence's DMR.

DMR out of a carbine? What?

 

[redpanda]

DMR out of a carbine? What?

Yeah my bad I meant from its family of guns. Like something based on Ugram or MCIWS. Because this gun does borrows a lot from MCIWS, so I would say they belong to the same family of guns.

I would love to see a DMR variant of Ugram.

 

[VictorDelta4]

I meant from its family of gun. Like something based on Ugram or MCIWS.

yeah that would be ideal but you're expecting way too much mate.

 

[redpanda]

yeah that would be ideal but you're expecting way too much mate.

SVDs need to be replaced though. Those are rather ancient at this point. I remember a few years back they were modernising those. How's the progress on that front?

 

[randombully]

I hope they make a DMR out of it. We need to replace those old SVDs. Although I'm rooting for SSS defence's DMR.

We already have sig716i in big numbers.
Will be used dmr role too.