This will only solve a small part of the problem. A foreign trainer can train you for CQB, kit upgradation (this is a natural progression) and at maximum field medicine or demolition in extreme cases. The only outcome we'll see is that SF guys will be running the same ops with a better kit and weapon handling. You know the fact that SF is meant to be more than that, solving this problem at hand needs a ground-up approach.
Yep Battle of Tora Bora , we sure can learn from that ( but a lot of it is not applicable for J&K as air strike missions were very widely used there ) frankly men on ground know whats going wrong and even know how to fix it but we won't be able to able to implement it on ground . Not until the management problems are sorted out and the officials and men on ground don't come on the same page .
Decade? Bro we are living in 2024.Almost 15 years since M4s start coming.
Are it was a general statement bhaiya and yes they are old af need an upgrade badly
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"Why dont Pera EsEph send their soilders to SAS for training ?"
Sir ji , is their any Para SF officer that was able to get to Major General/Lt general/ general rank ??"Why dont Pera EsEph send their soilders to SAS for training ?"
Here's the answer
- In March 1977, the Army Commander's Conference decided to raise a unit resembling the British SAS.
- Aim: Create a true Special Forces unit distinct from existing Para-Commando units.
- Army HQ decided to convert 9 Para (Commando) into an “Experimental Commando Wing” and another Parachute Battalion for mountain operations
- A directive was issued in 1978 to undertake trials for this new organization.
- Conversion began in 1979, with a trial report submitted in May 1982.
- Problems included forgetting previous experiences with Special Forces and a military hierarchy focused on conventional warfare. Existing infantry and parachute units were repeatedly converted to Special Forces roles instead of raising new units.
- Lt Col Rustom K Nanavatty, was the Indian Army Liaison Officer (IALO) at the School of Infantry in Warminster, UK, he studied the SAS’s operations.
- In 1985, Lt Col Nanavatty visited SAS HQ and reported back, leading to renewed interest in developing Indian Special Forces.
- Lt Col Nanavatty’s report sparked discussions in New Delhi about enhancing Special Forces capabilities.
- Major General Bipin C Joshi, later Chief of Army Staff, supported the reappraisal of Para Commandos to develop a road map for Special Forces.
- After much discussion, Operation Sunray was also created wherein 200 of the best Special forces officers and men would go to Hereford to train, some to Seryat Matkal and others here and there doing other courses.
- The SAS also decided to come to us to train with our guys but our gentlemen officers refused
So.....we lack in our SF capability where ever we do lack not because our guys dont study foriegn SF properly....you can do that all your life...keep researching and studying and yes it will help but the actions taken by people in the Top Brass and Political sphere matter, they matter alot.
Our guys have a good solid understanding of how things work....the thing is they dont have any power in this situation. Why the heck do you not realize this. What sort of jackass are you...you think change in India is not happening because the young and bright and old and sharp did not look into the situation well ? You'll have even you and me as arm chair warriors/experts.
But kya fyda ? People who are at the top level dislike change, they have grown accustomed to it.
They do but most of the guys opt out after Maj-Lt Col. or at max Col. ranks. The common reason that they give - they weren't seeing any combat.
they must climb on and do the needful for their org .... only then this cycle of suffering builds character will end .
12hrs+ ago the op started still going on that tells you everything about why they do proxy war.
they can.....Lt Gen PC Katoch is an example..others too. The thing is Indian army is not ready for change, look what they did to brig SS Shekhawat
They get pushed into useless postings. They don't get relevant postings most of the times, when they do we get to see change. Some officers (read Brig Shekhawat) go out of their way by risking their careers to modernize and spearhead implementation of a lot of modern stuff. The new kit you're gonna see in future had to go through a lot of bs.
Is that ACH or a fiberglass helmet?
Amazing posts buddy hopefully this has clarified all the doubts people had"Why dont Pera EsEph send their soilders to SAS for training ?"
Here's the answer
- In March 1977, the Army Commander's Conference decided to raise a unit resembling the British SAS.
- Aim: Create a true Special Forces unit distinct from existing Para-Commando units.
- Army HQ decided to convert 9 Para (Commando) into an “Experimental Commando Wing” and another Parachute Battalion for mountain operations
- A directive was issued in 1978 to undertake trials for this new organization.
- Conversion began in 1979, with a trial report submitted in May 1982.
- Problems included forgetting previous experiences with Special Forces and a military hierarchy focused on conventional warfare. Existing infantry and parachute units were repeatedly converted to Special Forces roles instead of raising new units.
- Lt Col Rustom K Nanavatty, was the Indian Army Liaison Officer (IALO) at the School of Infantry in Warminster, UK, he studied the SAS’s operations.
- In 1985, Lt Col Nanavatty visited SAS HQ and reported back, leading to renewed interest in developing Indian Special Forces.
- Lt Col Nanavatty’s report sparked discussions in New Delhi about enhancing Special Forces capabilities.
- Major General Bipin C Joshi, later Chief of Army Staff, supported the reappraisal of Para Commandos to develop a road map for Special Forces.
- After much discussion, Operation Sunray was also created wherein 200 of the best Special forces officers and men would go to Hereford to train, some to Seryat Matkal and others here and there doing other courses.
- The SAS also decided to come to us to train with our guys but our gentlemen officers refused
So.....we lack in our SF capability where ever we do lack not because our guys dont study foriegn SF properly....you can do that all your life...keep researching and studying and yes it will help but the actions taken by people in the Top Brass and Political sphere matter, they matter alot.
Our guys have a good solid understanding of how things work....the thing is they dont have any power in this situation. Why the heck do you not realize this. What sort of jackass are you...you think change in India is not happening because the young and bright and old and sharp did not look into the situation well ? You'll have even you and me as arm chair warriors/experts.
But kya fyda ? People who are at the top level dislike change, they have grown accustomed to it.
i see paki nibbas are also stuck with the famous indian sub continent helmet phenomenon known as the high cut and fiberglass helmet combo , glad to know our fellow member of our sub continent is suffering from the same dilemma
