Indian Special Forces

[Simon Riley]

Such incidents are seriously discouraging me for upcoming ssb attempts and makes me want to focus on clearing management exams.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Such incidents are seriously discouraging me for upcoming ssb attempts and makes me want to focus on clearing management exams.

Look the Army is not going to change and neither can you do it alone even if you join.

Army is a lifestyle.

You are the one who has to change.

It is a great clean and disciplined career where you have to adjust and not the other way around.

As far as this incident goes…its nothing compared to other fuck ups.

A Para Maj got court martialied for taking a stand for his troops in Kargil.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Well, he was the CO ( he had 9 years of service at that time, probably he was major at that time).
It is the SOP to wait for terrorists to have a change of heart and let hostages go.
You can see things like sending civilians into house terrorists are holding up, mic announcement etc even in videos of joint exercises with foreign troops.

ya goddamn it's stupid af. I can't belive we have so many SCTUs and still SOPs are not shared. NSG and MARCOS would've never done shit like this. Why do Paras, even though so many Para boys are in NSG like wtf ?
Dude Paras suck ass at hostage rescue
I can see why they didn't decide to go in!



Paras seem to use outdated methods for CQB like this looks like to me what’s called a “strong wall” method; entering through one point, whether it’s through a door, and forming a wall of assaulters all with their weapons pointed in/toward the same basic direction.

This is good for law enforcement type scenarios where you go in and expect a criminal to surrender, seeing the strength of force, however in a complex scenario or incase you are an SF unit fighting terrorists. This method sucks because:


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zw4vWaS2LOo

 

[Noob]

From 18:10. This para SF officer talks about a hostage rescue operation...
Guys, this so called "tank" should have court martialed soon after the operation.
This idiot and his fucked up team doesn't even know how to deal with an active hostage situation.
This idiot waited for 1 hour asking pakis terrorists to leave the kid they had taken hostage, then he send kid's mother to those pervert terrorists to convince them to leave the kid alone. And in frustration of being surrounded and didn't get the chance to fuck that kid's sister, terrorist cut the throat of the kid, that unfortunate mother had to witness the blood and body of the boy with cut open throat..!!!


WTF!!?? He and his unit/battalion don't deserve to be in Indian army, but they are our SPECIAL FORCES...!!!!

The insident happened like this..
A family was taken hostage by terrorists for 1 month, their demand was to have sex with the elder girl in the family and they were having that till father saved the girl by somehow sending her away.
Army para SF got Intel(probably through the girl) and came there, start Mike announcement to let know terrorists about army's arrival.
Then terrorists send 4 younger girls and 2 boys out and took father and younger boy as hostage (they did that because less number of hostages are easier to handle).
Army conducted room intervention and came to know that terrorists were in top floor,
Father escaped from terrorists and ran towards soldiers, soldiers got the father and he informed about the boy held by terrorists, All withdraw and came out of the house, despite knowing that the boy is held by terrorists... Waited 1 hour outside the house, para SF continues the Mike announcement from outside.. Send the kid's mother inside as she volunteered for it(probably got frustrated by the inaction of para SF soldiers and she realises that to save the life of the boy she needs to do something), she goes inside the house and she saw her kid's blood along with the body with throat slit.

Wtf did I just read.....

 

[marliii]

Some one wanted NSG to be disbanded some pages back.

 

[Arad Operator]

Wtf did I just read.....

Not summarised in a good way!

 

[Mr.Evil]

From 18:10. This para SF officer talks about a hostage rescue operation...
Guys, this so called "tank" should have court martialed soon after the operation.
This idiot and his fucked up team doesn't even know how to deal with an active hostage situation.
This idiot waited for 1 hour asking pakis terrorists to leave the kid they had taken hostage, then he send kid's mother to those pervert terrorists to convince them to leave the kid alone. And in frustration of being surrounded and didn't get the chance to fuck that kid's sister, terrorist cut the throat of the kid, that unfortunate mother had to witness the blood and body of the boy with cut open throat..!!!


WTF!!?? He and his unit/battalion don't deserve to be in Indian army, but they are our SPECIAL FORCES...!!!!

The insident happened like this..
A family was taken hostage by terrorists for 1 month, their demand was to have sex with the elder girl in the family and they were having that till father saved the girl by somehow sending her away.
Army para SF got Intel(probably through the girl) and came there, start Mike announcement to let know terrorists about army's arrival.
Then terrorists send 4 younger girls and 2 boys out and took father and younger boy as hostage (they did that because less number of hostages are easier to handle).
Army conducted room intervention and came to know that terrorists were in top floor,
Father escaped from terrorists and ran towards soldiers, soldiers got the father and he informed about the boy held by terrorists, All withdraw and came out of the house, despite knowing that the boy is held by terrorists... Waited 1 hour outside the house, para SF continues the Mike announcement from outside.. Send the kid's mother inside as she volunteered for it(probably got frustrated by the inaction of para SF soldiers and she realises that to save the life of the boy she needs to do something), she goes inside the house and she saw her kid's blood along with the body with throat slit.

WTF?!?!?

 

[Jedi Operator]

Not summarised in a good way!

hainji ? fir ap kardo summarize sir

 

[IWIarad11]

As far as I could understand: it was an op with RR (mike and all woh hi karte hai) but yeah even I've heard 9 para guys used call out trts from caves to surrender.

 

[hkdas]

As far as I could understand: it was an op with RR (mike and all woh hi karte hai) but yeah even I've heard 9 para guys used call out trts from caves to surrender.

Does that matter if the operation was with RR or CRPF or Police!!?? That operation was conducted by para SF.
Are they supposed to stop room intervention operation after knowing terrorists are holding up on top floor!!??
Are they supposed to exist the house when terrorist are confirmed to be hold up inside the house with a hostage (that too a young boy)!!??
Waiting for 1 hour after stopping room intervention midway in the hope that highly radicalised Pakistani terrorists may have a change of heart and leave the kid alone!!!????
Man, where is the logic in any of the action that para team took!!!??

 

[ezsasa]

Does that matter if the operation was with RR or CRPF or Police!!?? That operation was conducted by para SF.
Are they supposed to stop room intervention operation after knowing terrorists are holding up on top floor!!??
Are they supposed to exist the house when terrorist are confirmed to be hold up inside the house with a hostage (that too a young boy)!!??
Waiting for 1 hour after stopping room intervention midway in the hope that highly radicalised Pakistani terrorists may have a change of heart and leave the kid alone!!!????
Man, where is the logic in any of the action that para team took!!!??

if the CO had continued with the room intervention and had taken both civil and military casualties, what would the discussion here look like?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Why the heck are NSG not deployed permanently in Srinagar with a dedicated helicopter available?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

As far as I know a lot of sf soldiers are ex nsg , and since this incident took place in Kashmir,where a lot of sf units are already deployed a temporary team of ex nsg operatives could have been created and mobilized.

This doesnt work like that..

Maybe the ex NSG guys are 10 in a unit with different experience and ranks and cannot form up a team.

Maybe they are on courses..Maybe on leave.

You need a dedicated unit to do these things bcoz you need to train.

10 NSG guys in Para SF cannot self train and they need a instructor.

 

[hkdas]

if the CO had continued with the room intervention and had taken both civil and military casualties, what would the discussion here look like?

Civil casuality already happened. As for military casuality, we would have accepted it as it was a risk army special forces are mandated to take and ofcourse everyone would have discussed on improving CQB drill further.
But here in reality, HR skills of para SF are non-existent, That is a serious problem, not just to military but for all.

 

[ezsasa]

Civil casuality already happened. As for military casuality, we would have accepted it as it was a risk army special forces are mandated to take and ofcourse everyone would have discussed on improving CQB drill further.
But here in reality, HR skills of para SF are non-existent, That is a serious problem, not just to military but for all.

the way i see this..

hostage negotiation is not a core competency for Para SF, an individual CO would rarely be involved in a hostage situation in his tour or tenure, it happens but not that often. if the C.O in this case followed laid down SOPs for this operational area, he need not be accosted here.

and perhaps it is not a good idea to assume, the scope of core competency should be increased because of this incident(hostage situation), since this will dilute their core competency.

and no, if the para sf had taken casualties in that incident, many fanboys in this forum will not be so forgiving as you are.

 

[Airborne22]

if the CO had continued with the room intervention and had taken both civil and military casualties, what would the discussion here look like?

Same as JKEDI affair i suppose. Para units are used in the most disposable way possible by the higher ups. Only 20-25 of 9 para were clearing that monstrosity of a building without the availibilty of room layouts, insertion was done from the lower floor instead of the top down clearing. Initially the gernail party thought that only 6-10 men (capt pawan kumar's squad) will clear the whole building alone. Thanks to the planning and execution by Capt. Mahajan, we had minimum casualty on that that day otherwise we would see every security force personnel who entered that building to be KIA in that op.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

the way i see this..

hostage negotiation is not a core competency for Para SF, an individual CO would rarely be involved in a hostage situation in his tour or tenure, it happens but not that often. if the C.O in this case followed laid down SOPs for this operational area, he need not be accosted here.

and perhaps it is not a good idea to assume, the scope of core competency should be increased because of this incident(hostage situation), since this will dilute their core competency.

and no, if the para sf had taken casualties in that incident, many fanboys in this forum will not be so forgiving as you are.

Its not the job of Para SF to do these operations.

They dont have the training,they dont have the equipment and its not the job of a Army SF to do Hostage rescue.

What is the NSG doing in a place like Kolkata where the state govt is in bed with the bad elements..what kind of a threat do Bengalis have?

We see Urban ops in and around Srinagar on a daily basis including hostage situations.

Why is so much money spent on NSG if they are supposed to just sit in their base and do a bi annual exercise?

We have all kinds of resources and zero brain.


And you are right..members of this forum will not be silent if soldiers are treated like cannon fodder..and i will be the first to criticise.

 

[Yuyutsu]

From 18:10. This para SF officer talks about a hostage rescue operation...
Guys, this so called "tank" should have court martialed soon after the operation.
This idiot and his fucked up team doesn't even know how to deal with an active hostage situation.
This idiot waited for 1 hour asking pakis terrorists to leave the kid they had taken hostage, then he send kid's mother to those pervert terrorists to convince them to leave the kid alone. And in frustration of being surrounded and didn't get the chance to fuck that kid's sister, terrorist cut the throat of the kid, that unfortunate mother had to witness the blood and body of the boy with cut open throat..!!!


WTF!!?? He and his unit/battalion don't deserve to be in Indian army, but they are our SPECIAL FORCES...!!!!

The insident happened like this..
A family was taken hostage by terrorists for 1 month, their demand was to have sex with the elder girl in the family and they were having that till father saved the girl by somehow sending her away.
Army para SF got Intel(probably through the girl) and came there, start Mike announcement to let know terrorists about army's arrival.
Then terrorists send 4 younger girls and 2 boys out and took father and younger boy as hostage (they did that because less number of hostages are easier to handle).
Army conducted room intervention and came to know that terrorists were in top floor,
Father escaped from terrorists and ran towards soldiers, soldiers got the father and he informed about the boy held by terrorists, All withdraw and came out of the house, despite knowing that the boy is held by terrorists... Waited 1 hour outside the house, para SF continues the Mike announcement from outside.. Send the kid's mother inside as she volunteered for it(probably got frustrated by the inaction of para SF soldiers and she realises that to save the life of the boy she needs to do something), she goes inside the house and she saw her kid's blood along with the body with throat slit.

this seems like rather a spontaneous unplanned operation
1) if those guys were living there for a month , a silent night operation would'nt have helped (with proper planning and execution)??
2) why it took them one month to inform army?? and girl had to inform army , father might being a "typical" kashmiri??
3) what made them return after already starting room intervention?
4) what if it were someone other than a kashmiri was a hostage , would they still have opted out of the room intervention?
5) collateral damage might be an issue to that para sf team due to inexperience in CQB?

i guess we are not totally grasping the on ground reality of that operation

 

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