Indian Special Forces

[Screambowl]

Mate there's probably no doctrine where you conduct a jump while on a "tactical combat descent". Do you mean Sarajevo Approach?

No I did not mean Sarajevo approach. Tactical descent begins at higher alt, aircraft plunges at 5000ft-10000ft per min. Pilots would know what I am talking about. Now if there is a pilot here, can clarify if SF can be trained to conduct jump during a tactical descent.

Why I brought it is because it will save the time plus this tactic will be very helpful in evading enemy radars, special in areas like Siachen and Skardu or even Tibet.

 

[Screambowl]

Tactical combat descent ? Combat flying ? Yeh Kya Hota ? Do you mean "with load" ? Like this -
View: https://youtu.be/KKMFvW_g4Lc?si=sNEIW0TfZAgudgaf ?

This aircraft is too high and can be shot down while they are jumping.

this is tactical descent


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CpeUn7_qT4

 

[Screambowl]

Useless Rant

When comprehensive power lacks due to lack of Omega 3 in brain, everything appears to be a useless rant.

 

[RDXChauhan]

When comprehensive power lacks due to lack of Omega 3 in brain, everything appears to be a useless rant.

Ok

 

[RDXChauhan]

No I did not mean Sarajevo approach. Tactical descent begins at higher alt, aircraft plunges at 5000ft-10000ft per min. Pilots would know what I am talking about. Now if there is a pilot here, can clarify if SF can be trained to conduct jump during a tactical descent.

Why I brought it is because it will save the time plus this tactic will be very helpful in evading enemy radars, special in areas like Siachen and Skardu or even Tibet.

Pointing out some potential issues with jumping out of a C-17 during tactical descent. I get where you're coming from with tactical descent, but I've got some concerns about why SF can't just jump out during one of these maneuvers.

First off, safety is a huge issue. Tactical descent involves some crazy altiude and airspeed changes, making it super tough for jumpers to exit the aircraft safely.


And then there's the jump conditions themselves. The high descent rates and turbulent airflow would make it tough for jumpers to maintain a stable body position, increasing the risk of injury or equipment malfunction.

Canopy deployment's might also be a concern. Plus remember Combat Freefall generally happens above 25000 ft if I am not wrong, now the aircraft can go down by serious rate in the descent, less altitude during jump will also result in lesser time to tackle any malfunction that happens.

Lastly, SF operators would need some serious training and certification to pull off jumps during tactical descent. We're talking a whole different level of complexity compared to standard parachute ops. Why complicate things up

I'm not saying evading enemy radar isn't crucial - it totally is. But there are safer ways to do it, like using stealthy aircraft or flying at night.

Now I could be wrong feel free to correct me, regarding my previous comment 'Usless Rant' it was just against Bhosdapilling

Edit - Combat Freefall in Siachen is feasible or not considering the extreme climate conditions and gear they would need to operate after landing and the altitude?
@Airborne22, @Arad Operator please give your opinions

 

[gunna]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1ff7Pp2B_I

 

[Airborne22]

This aircraft is too high and can be shot down while they are jumping.

this is tactical descent


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CpeUn7_qT4

Arrey seedha static line jump karo na why to make the operators climb the long cargo bay of the c17 just to jump out the aircraft that too with battle-load.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

View: https://x.com/platypus_10/status/1863607626896118066?s=46

 

[VictorDelta4]

Arrey seedha static line jump karo na why to make the operators climb the long cargo bay of the c17 just to jump out the aircraft that too with battle-load.

Exactly. In any active combat airdrop scenario, it always has been/will always be a static line drop. Tactical descent as explained above is also used for recee troop insertion. Fly high, drop down low to land, ramp opens, vehicle and troops out and then the aircraft takes off.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

View: https://x.com/dauntless_ops/status/1863580386112028729?s=46

 

[Screambowl]

Arrey seedha static line jump karo na why to make the operators climb the long cargo bay of the c17 just to jump out the aircraft that too with battle-load.

Exactly. In any active combat airdrop scenario, it always has been/will always be a static line drop. Tactical descent as explained above is also used for recee troop insertion. Fly high, drop down low to land, ramp opens, vehicle and troops out and then the aircraft takes off.

I am talking about para jump while it is on tactical dive.

 

[VictorDelta4]

I am talking about para jump while it is on tactical dive.

Again, why would they even need to do that? Do you have any video of any other military practising that? Doesn't matter Eastern or Western.

Even when the allies landed in Normandy under active AA fire, it was via Static Line jump. There are pre establised SOPs for different scenarios.
If its landing under active AA/Brigade/Division specific landings behind the lines - Static jump
If its landing small units deep behind enemy lines - CFF

Under which scenario would you have the aircraft first perform a tactical descent and then have the paratroopers jump out?

 

[Screambowl]

but I've got some concerns about why SF can't just jump out during one of these maneuvers.

First off, safety is a huge issue. Tactical descent involves some crazy altiude and airspeed changes, making it super tough for jumpers to exit the aircraft safely.

So it is possible and can be done but it can be challenging.

The high descent rates and turbulent airflow would make it tough for jumpers to maintain a stable body position, increasing the risk of injury or equipment malfunction.

Should be tested in that case, including the strength of the parachute fabric.

Lastly, SF operators would need some serious training and certification to pull off jumps during tactical descent. We're talking a whole different level of complexity compared to standard parachute ops. Why complicate things up

Training will be required no doubt. Yes it is complex but element of surprize will be protected to higher degree. More over in Himalayan ranges, it will make it possible to deploy the forces in a concentrated zone especially in narrow valleys, which will again evade detection. Also for cross border ops, the banking arc for the transporter will be smaller while turning back.

 

[TAVOUR 21]

 

[hollowdonuts13]

Dont know if this was posted here before

 

[hollowdonuts13]

Garuds

 

[hollowdonuts13]

 

[@elite_warriors26]

 

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[hkdas]

View: https://x.com/dauntless_ops/status/1863783868605853979?t=sEWQVgrDK97ciugGQrRPZg&s=19