Indian Special Forces

Desi Doomer Reborn said:
You mean dictatorship makes c clamping and stance better you guys are blaming everyone but not those responsible for sf modernisation . It would be good apart from Avinash sir someone else from sf point out why para sf doesn't modernize even though they regularly train with other special forces around the world . Randomly blaming about races , colonization, mental iq doesn't solve the situation.
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Lmao MoD would like a word with you.
 
MiketheInfantryman said:
Do Garuds do PJ work or do we have zero equivalent to PJs?
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we dont have specialists, the PJs are the best warfighting doctors they have, equivalent to that title of 'warfighting doctors' would be 60 Parachute Field Hospital I think

1 Para SF did the Timber Trail rescue, led by Col Ivan Crasto
MARCOS and CD have done various rescue ops at sea
Garuds were recently awarded for some rescue at Trikat Hills ropeway in Jharkhand. The helicopter crew and Garuds rescued all 35 who were stranded there.
Also countless times have Parachute regiment officers and jawans rescued children stuck in working sites in Agra where they find themselves in a borewell

I think they might get training in all this, however let's be clear India in whatever form is protected, is solely due to the huge fucking balls these guys have, there is no specialization however. There the Americans have something called 'smokejumpers' who are trained parachutists who are also firefighters, here we might find some random maverick officer or JCO at the right time, in the right moment. We are a country surviving on pure luck I belive. Lucky to have these guys but at no point do I think we are as organzied or as equipped to deal with threats as the west is.


Okay edit: I think aerial rescues and all we might be training in, where SF and Crewmembers are working together to train for such scenarios, cause the Navy for sure does that, because they have a specialist unit called aircrew divers, the MARCOS and Marine Commando Flight (Seakings) also work alot on that + Garuds work alot with NDRF too. But again US Pararescuemen do it in all fields.
 
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COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:
Now that ALL of Para is SF …wont be bad if Garuds raised 3 battalions of Airborne troops!
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Someone was telling me that Garuds do act more like airborne, actuall 82nd type. Cause they seize airfirelds by parachuting and all. I am not very confident in their special operations role though I could be wrong
 
Jedi Operator said:
Someone was telling me that Garuds do act more like airborne, actuall 82nd type. Cause they seize airfirelds by parachuting and all. I am not very confident in their special operations role though I could be wrong
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Garuds should raise 3 airborne battalions and deploy and rotate 2 companies in active field area for 6 months.

Marcos should raise a proper marine brigade with APC and all.Should deploy them in field area like Garud airborne battalion i mentioned.

Army’s chapri marine brigade is upto no good.
 
Jedi Operator said:
elling me that Garuds do act more like airborne, actuall 82nd type. Cause they seize airfirelds by parachuting and all. I am not very confident in their special operations role though I could be wrong
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No. You need a Battalion+ size to seize and hold an Airfield. the Garuds job would be to get the ATC and other Comm Infra up and running while the Paras run perimeter Security (post seizure)

So the Garuds will be a PART of the force that will take an airfield - not the main force.

Garuds will also be used for SEAD/DEAD missions - but again always backed by a larger QRF that provides security
 
COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:
Now that ALL of Para is SF …wont be bad if Garuds raised 3 battalions of Airborne troops!
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Para's/Airborne are essentially light infantry who's mode of transport is Air.

But in the end they are at heart Infantry.

Garud at heart are Airmen.

IMO like the same way Seals suddenly cannot do the job of a Ranger QRT - neither can Garud be Airborne.
 
rkhanna said:
Para's/Airborne are essentially light infantry who's mode of transport is Air.

But in the end they are at heart Infantry.

Garud at heart are Airmen.

IMO like the same way Seals suddenly cannot do the job of a Ranger QRT - neither can Garud be Airborne.
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Interesting perspective sir…What about Marines?
 
COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:
Interesting perspective sir…What about Marines?
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Same as the paras - just not airborne Infantry - they are marine infantry -

The Key to understand (at least from my perspective) is that Stand alone 'Light Infantry' units by and large are trained to a superior level than normal Cavallry units as they dont have the benefit of heavy armour for protection.

Marine and Para's take the mandate of being pathfinders and disrupt the enemy behind enemy lines - Strategic light Infantry where their mode of transport provides great flexibility in deployment and a capability to rapid respond to a crises. -> hence these commando type formations are better trained than vanilla line infantry units. [ Some of these units even have light armour - Air Dropable APCs, Ambhips AFVs, etc - but by and large stick to their Light Infantry ethos]

Both units are usually self contained for the mission objective (or supposed to be) - their logistic chains (atleast supposed to be) smaller for a taskin (than the main force) and they often operate before or adjacent to the main force

For my argument above i am using the British/French Paras and Marines as reference - not the USMC - though the 82nd and Ranger units of the USA would be included.

The USMC would not be an apt example as they are now a whole micro military on their own (Air, Naval, Armour) on their own - however at its heart the fighting man is a light infantry specialist and the DNA flexibility and agility continues to permiate the entire gambit of their Composite Combined Arms unit.
 
rkhanna said:
Same as the paras - just not airborne Infantry - they are marine infantry -

The Key to understand (at least from my perspective) is that Stand alone 'Light Infantry' units by and large are trained to a superior level than normal Cavallry units as they dont have the benefit of heavy armour for protection.

Marine and Para's take the mandate of being pathfinders and disrupt the enemy behind enemy lines - Strategic light Infantry where their mode of transport provides great flexibility in deployment and a capability to rapid respond to a crises. -> hence these commando type formations are better trained than vanilla line infantry units. [ Some of these units even have light armour - Air Dropable APCs, Ambhips AFVs, etc - but by and large stick to their Light Infantry ethos]

Both units are usually self contained for the mission objective (or supposed to be) - their logistic chains (atleast supposed to be) smaller for a taskin (than the main force) and they often operate before or adjacent to the main force

For my argument above i am using the British/French Paras and Marines as reference - not the USMC - though the 82nd and Ranger units of the USA would be included.

The USMC would not be an apt example as they are now a whole micro military on their own (Air, Naval, Armour) on their own - however at its heart the fighting man is a light infantry specialist and the DNA flexibility and agility continues to permiate the entire gambit of their Composite Combined Arms unit.
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So who do we rely on for Airborne infantry role…Is it going to be SFF or do we have to convert some other units..and if yes then which regtts should be chosen?
 
COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:
So who do we rely on for Airborne infantry role…Is it going to be SFF or do we have to convert some other units..and if yes then which regtts should be chosen?
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The Parachute Regiment - Slap on whatever SF abs you want on the Arm - All Battalions of the Parachute Regiment will continue to be used in small units in Kashmir and battalion strenght deployment in times of war.

SF = Airborne = SF

They will do both because they are one. Singularity has been achieved.

SFF will continue in the mountains and Tibet Focus. East/West and Force Projection Will be Paras
 
rkhanna said:
The Parachute Regiment - Slap on whatever SF abs you want on the Arm - All Battalions of the Parachute Regiment will continue to be used in small units in Kashmir and battalion strenght deployment in times of war.

SF = Airborne = SF

They will do both because they are one. Singularity has been achieved.

SFF will continue in the mountains and Tibet Focus. East/West and Force Projection Will be Paras
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I think now that they have done what they have …some units of Guards or Grenadiers should be converted.

I am for a regionless,religionless unit for airborne conversion rather than choosing the best infantry unit of that time to convert.
 
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