Indian Special Forces

[rkhanna]

In 10-15 years from now i would say it will even be a disaster for US to fight China..maybe it will be even today.

My humble opinion is that we should not fight China.

China is very capable of rolling over us in any battlefield and more than capable of upsetting NE region.

Diplomacy is the best option.

( and i am not saying this as sarcasm..we are past the sarcasm stage)

Agree.

Once China becomes a $16K-20K Per Capita Middle Income economy built on domestic consumption we will see their Fangs. By then they would have replaced US/Russian influence on most of the world - Africa/LATAM/ME -

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Agree.

Once China becomes a $16K-20K Per Capita Middle Income economy built on domestic consumption we will see their Fangs. By then they would have replaced US/Russian influence on most of the world - Africa/LATAM/ME -

I am just worried Sir that the way in social media our military is coming out to be a joke i hope Chinese fangs dont come out early.

In Reddit dedicated chinese bots post recent Indian Army pics to make fun of us.

I can only imagine what goes around in Chinese social media..Plus the recent IAF chief’s outburst whether its good or bad but it will give the Chinese a lot of confidence!

Wars are fought on narrative/perspective not on assumptions that enemy will perform.

 

[Airborne22]

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There's an news article about this op -

https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes....ed-terrorists-killed/articleshow/50976504.cms

news articles usually undermine the actual details of many such operations. There are so many details blurred by vague narration of journalists in media.

 

[rkhanna]

I am just worried Sir that the way in social media our military is coming out to be a joke i hope Chinese fangs dont come out early.

The Chinese govt has just passed a new law limiting how much Information of their militry makes to their bloggers / outside OSINT -

Last 4-5 years they have been quietly doing triage to their economy and the Mil-Industrial Complex and rebuilding/Restructuring. The Speed with which they respond to disruption is mindboggling.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

The Chinese govt has just passed a new law limiting how much Information of their militry makes to their bloggers / outside OSINT -

Last 4-5 years they have been quietly doing triage to their economy and the Mil-Industrial Complex and rebuilding/Restructuring. The Speed with which they respond to disruption is mindboggling.

I believe Indian Army should stop posting on X as it is not helping their cause infact its exposing them poorly.

 

[abingdonboy]

Dear God..
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If someone looks this goofy it is actually very telling

Proof you can throw money/new equipment at these guys but if they haven’t developed the skills in how to employ basic equipment first then it’s only going to be a futile enterprise. If you gave Paras the equivalent of what CAG/DEVGRU had in 2010 do we think they’d be as effective as those tier 1 units? Equipment is meant to come FROM requirements and tactics.

Absolute LARPers but worse because they don’t even have the mental capacity to emulate accurately, just taking shiny equipment out of the box and parading around for the ‘GRAM

 

[Kilomike2]

Poonch sector, 5 tangos got liquidated.
That too 3 kms across the LOC.....

 

[TAVOUR 21]

Poonch sector, 5 tangos got liquidated.
That too 3 kms across the LOC..... View attachment 25058

9?

 

[abingdonboy]

gamcha and comms says indian.. everything else says taliban

2025 and even the most autistic of the Indian defence community can’t differentiate between Talibans and the Indian army’s most ‘elite’ unit

Almost wish I could go back 10 years and tell my younger self to get other interests.

 

[abingdonboy]

That is because of money constraints…Had we be having that problem i would have bever complained.

We on the other hand return unspent money to govt when our Ghatak competition has no such thing as NVGs.

Do you realise how big of a deal it is?

Ghataks are the tip of the spear of any IBG and these guys are running in night with mini torches in 2024 when the drone threat is high.

Forget about concealing night signature these guys have no idea about night warfare.

Then they have no Long range sniper training and no High/ low angle shot training..no ballistic computers..any anti thermal ghille suit..they are just sitting ducks.

Firing….poor firing drills..Chicken wings firing stance..flagging buddies 100 times..entering rooms in a weapon away stance with the belt of the rifle falling down so that the enemy easily pulls its from inside.

NSG just a showsha unit..no new drills..same old techniques..too slow and look too confused doing CQB..plus fingers on trigger even by subeidaar sahab..Got a PNVG for a shoot but dont know how to wire manage…most of the unit still has tin helmets.

Para SF…except 1 or maybe 2 units others dont even deserve to be called airborne infantry if we apply US standards…age old techniques which my grandfather used in ww2 are used in Kashmir by them…just false bravado and motivation keeps them going..


Officers…Lack of exposure..Lack of knowledge..the void which creates a Superiority complex which has no backup…When they retire and work abroad are humbled by officers from countries they havent even heard of

Jawans..lack of aptitude and awareness for the job…high degree of sacrifice and dedication keeps them going…follow orders blindly…which keeps the Army going.

Indian Army success formaula=blood of jawans and young officers (multiplied by) Orders(multiplied by) Numbers.

This is basically the thread

Anyone that thinks this gets better with some piecemeal procurements is deluding themselves

The sh!t show exists because of these people and the culture that exists, what is going to change that? More money won’t- it arguably may make it worse as they’ll think shiny out of the box equipment is a substitute for training

 

[abingdonboy]

Marcos upto something.


Phooran ka jawan aa k bhi inko PhD karwa sakta he agar yeh mauka de toh.

nothing new- post 26/11 MARCOs have been trained by Israelis primarily in CQB

Interesting though that the guy says he’s EX-IDF, that seems to imply they’ve moved from govt-govt deals to hiring these guys as consultants for a longer period

Meanwhile the IA/Paras are training with Shifuji and that married couple with 0 military training

 

[abingdonboy]

Shayetet 13?

India can’t afford those guys plus I’m pretty sure they’d be restricted in training non-ally partners like tier 1 operators in the US are post retirement

 

[abingdonboy]

Ok so how does this sound:
I think we should not go back to original 3-4 SF units for PARA and also not this current 15 SF units
We should have permanently 'location' based maybe 7-10 units with a lower troop strength per unit [<400] (not to be treated as a battalion)

And pull out that shatrujeet brigade out of that 'brigade' system and turn it into an ARMY SF HQ or Command which can be linked to AFSOD
Separate out Airborne and keep the support units of Shatrujeet brigade with SF (or maybe divide, Airborne also requires it)

More Ideas like: Joint selection, Or maybe rotation of squads among units (limited to units with similar role)

Correct me if this sounds BS

Why are any of us under the impression still that they want a fix?

The current situation is their intended outcome- airborne officers wanted the extra pay of a nominal name change to ‘SF’

The Indian military effectively only has generalists to begin with, specialisation is too gora.

You’ll only see a further watering down from here- within 3-5 years women will be marching around with SF tabs, modi will probably want to see that before he steps down.

 

[Airborne22]

Poonch sector, 5 tangos got liquidated.
That too 3 kms across the LOC..... View attachment 25058

dose mil rahi hai har 3sre din. FAFO

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

This guy is a legend..A king and a Special forces operator..this is what i would ask God if he ever asked me for a dream re birth.


View: https://x.com/royalintel_/status/1889485874288796116?s=46

 

[rkhanna]

This guy is a legend..A king and a Special forces operator..this is what i would ask God if he ever asked me for a dream re birth.


View: https://x.com/royalintel_/status/1889485874288796116?s=46

KASOTC is truely something and unheard of outside of NATO. His brainchild. Their SOF structure is also so simple and Clean.

Under a Unified Command:
1. SFG - Tier One Operators - Strategic Operations as well is CT (3 battalions)
2. QRF - Tier 2 - Raiders, JTACs, Air Wing. (Brigade Size) - this unit does the DA, CSAR, RECON, LRRP across Sea, Air, Land

They Treat SOF as a seperate Combat Arm - from Army,Navy, AF

 

[ArjunMK1A]

KASOTC

Jordan is surprisingly an stable country surrounded by shitholes like Iraq, Palestine, Syria and still maintains a decent relation with Israel.

The decided to throw the Palestine holed up in their territory by ordering the world's best mercenary army (Pakistan Army) to clean them up. After that bois were clear to sit and secure the border and enjoy the world burning outside.

Our bois were famous also there. Will check us one layer to ensure we will not overstay and get an work.

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Jordan is surprisingly an stable country surrounded by shitholes like Iraq, Palestine, Syria and still maintains a decent relation with Israel.

The decided to throw the Palestine holed up in their territory by ordering the world's best mercenary army (Pakistan Army) to clean them up. After that bois were clear to sit and secure the border and enjoy the world burning outside.

Our bois were famous also there. Will check us one layer to ensure we will not overstay and get an work.

U talking about black september?

 

[killbot]

KASOTC is truely something and unheard of outside of NATO. His brainchild. Their SOF structure is also so simple and Clean.

Under a Unified Command:
1. SFG - Tier One Operators - Strategic Operations as well is CT (3 battalions)
2. QRF - Tier 2 - Raiders, JTACs, Air Wing. (Brigade Size) - this unit does the DA, CSAR, RECON, LRRP across Sea, Air, Land

They Treat SOF as a seperate Combat Arm - from Army,Navy, AF

I heard some American SMU guy saying they pawn off some sensitive HVTs to the Jordanian SMU for plausible deniability. They're definitely very capable.

 

[Blademaster]

Jordan is surprisingly an stable country surrounded by shitholes like Iraq, Palestine, Syria and still maintains a decent relation with Israel.

The decided to throw the Palestine holed up in their territory by ordering the world's best mercenary army (Pakistan Army) to clean them up. After that bois were clear to sit and secure the border and enjoy the world burning outside.

Our bois were famous also there. Will check us one layer to ensure we will not overstay and get an work.

Still Jordan's economy is constantly on life support supported by America. Trump knows this and will pressure Jordan to take in more Palestinians. On current trajectories, within a decade, India per capita nominal terms will surpass Jordan's.