Indian Special Forces

[Simon Riley]

Soldiers and young officers are never responsible for these decisions.

Whatever the dumbery is going on for idk if its corruption as it seems or really dumb people who have no decision is costing us young lives.

From the rank of Colonel up to the Colonel of the regtt there is a lot of margin to arm twist for weapons.

Everyone who comes here loves the nation and the army and to be honest the kind of things Indian Army is doing is hurting our already fucked up image of being weak people.

Most of us who see nothing behind a maroon beret and Tavor need to realise the kind of Meme material we provide does a lot of damage specially against a country like China.

China didnt fight this time coz you were strong..china avoided in Corona times coz it was weak.

The great operation we claim to do in 2020 was 100 % American intel and our special ops guys climbing and taking mountains.

Thatsit!

I am really worried for our future…inducting high cuts with rails and putting kapda over it points to some serious issues in the unit..i dont know how you guys can cover it up.

Someone claiming to be a journalist from here even boasted about how advanced para sf is after posting that pic!!

So have a chill pill…dont fight!!

Asking better stuff and accountability from your army is far far more patriotic than just blindly trusting it based on past achievements.i don't know why some people especially on twitter think that when someone criticizes the army it is questioning the sacrifices of the brave men.

 

[rkhanna]

Officers are educated,party with Generals,go for exercises,share war rooms with Generals…Whats stopping them from raising the issue of poor training standards?

I have been pondering the state of Human Resources in our Armed Forces (and as such the wider country) for sometime. Some observations (ofcourse these maybe due to Confirmation bias and as such not valid points but sharing none the less)

1. The post WWII/Independence Officers/IAS/Civil Bureaucrat - represented the "elite" of IIndian Society - this is the same "Middle CLass" that the british created to rule India - Convent Educated and learned in the Engrish ways (they were "integrated") - They adopted the British customs and practices including Innovative thinking.
- It the same class of people who revolted against the british and were the leaders of the Independence Movement (Gandhi, Nehru, Jinah et al) - and there in became the rulers of Free India

2. the Class of Officers leading up to the 70s came from this group of people - Cariapa, Manekshaw etc

3. Post Independence being a poor / socialist economy - the Civil and and Military Services attracted the best and brightest and the old pre independence Business class continued their Monopoly and there was no new economy so no real new age jobs for the educated in india.
- a GOOD education was still a commodity [i.e convent education acessible to this urban "elite" middle class.

4. Post Liberalization 1990s - new industries and career choices sprung up so the convent speaking Elite graduated to those opportunities that gave birth to our Services sector (Banking, IT, Consulting) - gave birth to new entreprueners

5. As India got richer - Education started to reach the farther masses - however the Quality of this education is really substandard - rote - no critical thinking - just marks and entrance exams to be part of the new economy. Low dollar spend so crap teachers, crap text books, just mass copying and cheating (All across the value chain - from the IITs to the Municpal Public School and Govt Colleges)
[The Elite have moved on to IB schools and Foriegn college degrees

6. This has resulted in the new crop of Officer Cadre - And you are seeing the effect of this not just in the Military but across Civilian Life as well. Lack of Critical Thinking ability, blind faith and jingoism, nobody questions anything (anti national etal), pure ragda copy paste BS.


just my 2 paisa worth

 

[MiketheInfantryman]

I have been pondering the state of Human Resources in our Armed Forces (and as such the wider country) for sometime. Some observations (ofcourse these maybe due to Confirmation bias and as such not valid points but sharing none the less)

1. The post WWII/Independence Officers/IAS/Civil Bureaucrat - represented the "elite" of IIndian Society - this is the same "Middle CLass" that the british created to rule India - Convent Educated and learned in the Engrish ways (they were "integrated") - They adopted the British customs and practices including Innovative thinking.
- It the same class of people who revolted against the british and were the leaders of the Independence Movement (Gandhi, Nehru, Jinah et al) - and there in became the rulers of Free India

2. the Class of Officers leading up to the 70s came from this group of people - Cariapa, Manekshaw etc

3. Post Independence being a poor / socialist economy - the Civil and and Military Services attracted the best and brightest and the old pre independence Business class continued their Monopoly and there was no new economy so no real new age jobs for the educated in india.
- a GOOD education was still a commodity [i.e convent education acessible to this urban "elite" middle class.

4. Post Liberalization 1990s - new industries and career choices sprung up so the convent speaking Elite graduated to those opportunities that gave birth to our Services sector (Banking, IT, Consulting) - gave birth to new entreprueners

5. As India got richer - Education started to reach the farther masses - however the Quality of this education is really substandard - rote - no critical thinking - just marks and entrance exams to be part of the new economy. Low dollar spend so crap teachers, crap text books, just mass copying and cheating (All across the value chain - from the IITs to the Municpal Public School and Govt Colleges)
[The Elite have moved on to IB schools and Foriegn college degrees

6. This has resulted in the new crop of Officer Cadre - And you are seeing the effect of this not just in the Military but across Civilian Life as well. Lack of Critical Thinking ability, blind faith and jingoism, nobody questions anything (anti national etal), pure ragda copy paste BS.


just my 2 paisa worth

I'd say the last point might be very well true. Passing the SSB has been overglorified, Blind faith is instilled from the start, and most who pass build up egos (maybe there are some who are willing to innovate but I doubt it's the average YO). They are motivated, yes, but the average YO don't think too much outside of their usual duties to improve and innovate, they will just do their job.

It's probably a hot take for some people here, but Brits trained and made made the best officer class IA ever had post 1930s, all the prominent figures are British trained. The quality very much dipped after 60s-70s.

I remember an acquaintance (I'm being discreet but he's prior enlisted) told how corruption was rampant in the unit when COs actively encouraged such behaviour. Only when a strict CO comes in charge does it go down. And this was early 2000s. I doubt much has changed since then, seeing our state. According to him, barely 3 units from the regiment were competent, rest were termed poor by him (accounting the ORs and the officers).

 

[Jedi Operator]

Bhai special forces thread has always been the biggest blackpill chahe woh dfi pai ho ya dfb. In 2020 and 2021 gucci gang and Jai ho gang were equally matched now it's thorough gucci gang domination

because people have seen the reality, look at DFI wala Kumaoni and DFB wala.....if you dont think the difference is big enough, reconsider

 

[rkhanna]

I remember an acquaintance (I'm being discreet but he's prior enlisted) told how corruption was rampant in the unit when COs actively encouraged such behaviour. Only when a strict CO comes in charge does it go down. And this was early 2000s. I doubt much has changed since then, seeing our state. According to him, barely 3 units from the regiment were competent, rest were termed poor by him (accounting the ORs and the offi

True. anybody who has grown up in a Fauji household will tell you the same. IMO i have a theory for that too.

The culture of the Army Changed Drastically post Lanka - The Army came back dejected, demoralized, abandoned by their country and smarting from getting their arses kicked.

Then came the Kashmir Insurgency - Promotions, Cash Prizes and Medals were handed out for COIN Kills - essentially Peace Time Operations - This became the "Ego Filler" within the miltiary post Lanka and that culture has continued - you see it in the NE as well.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I have been pondering the state of Human Resources in our Armed Forces (and as such the wider country) for sometime. Some observations (ofcourse these maybe due to Confirmation bias and as such not valid points but sharing none the less)

1. The post WWII/Independence Officers/IAS/Civil Bureaucrat - represented the "elite" of IIndian Society - this is the same "Middle CLass" that the british created to rule India - Convent Educated and learned in the Engrish ways (they were "integrated") - They adopted the British customs and practices including Innovative thinking.
- It the same class of people who revolted against the british and were the leaders of the Independence Movement (Gandhi, Nehru, Jinah et al) - and there in became the rulers of Free India

2. the Class of Officers leading up to the 70s came from this group of people - Cariapa, Manekshaw etc

3. Post Independence being a poor / socialist economy - the Civil and and Military Services attracted the best and brightest and the old pre independence Business class continued their Monopoly and there was no new economy so no real new age jobs for the educated in india.
- a GOOD education was still a commodity [i.e convent education acessible to this urban "elite" middle class.

4. Post Liberalization 1990s - new industries and career choices sprung up so the convent speaking Elite graduated to those opportunities that gave birth to our Services sector (Banking, IT, Consulting) - gave birth to new entreprueners

5. As India got richer - Education started to reach the farther masses - however the Quality of this education is really substandard - rote - no critical thinking - just marks and entrance exams to be part of the new economy. Low dollar spend so crap teachers, crap text books, just mass copying and cheating (All across the value chain - from the IITs to the Municpal Public School and Govt Colleges)
[The Elite have moved on to IB schools and Foriegn college degrees

6. This has resulted in the new crop of Officer Cadre - And you are seeing the effect of this not just in the Military but across Civilian Life as well. Lack of Critical Thinking ability, blind faith and jingoism, nobody questions anything (anti national etal), pure ragda copy paste BS.


just my 2 paisa worth

I agree.

I mean even look at this thread and the majority who come here showing they are SF aspirants..Have you seen any analysis or problem finding ability in them?

I find most of them too high on blind bhakti and a narrow mind on others perspective which is a sign of lack of intelligence.

They show the behaviour of the worse dictators in their prime.

I doubt if the Army hires such people due to shortage how will it progress..This is just fill up the seats criteria then.

No wonder we have such brats in X.


Back in the 70s Army job used to give huge competition to IAS and IIT and was considered better than IIT because of the complete life it offered.

Education and Intelligence are two different things.Unless the Army hires the right people for the job and gives them freedom we wont be able to progress.

There is no excuse at all which the Chief can give about the condition of SF and Infantry of this Army.

Look at people like Major Sapru and see how calm and composed they are towards criticism and openly admit failures..These are the men SF should have and should be idols for aspirants..No wonder the man writes books and wanders all over the world for adventure wearing his Rolex!

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Bhai special forces thread has always been the biggest blackpill chahe woh dfi pai ho ya dfb. In 2020 and 2021 gucci gang and Jai ho gang were equally matched now it's thorough gucci gang domination

Because the SF have been in pretty bad situations theres nothing to do lungi dance over otherwise they would be going crazy specially against a Extremist Gucci Gang member like me.

 

[MiketheInfantryman]

I agree.

I mean even look at this thread and the majority who come here showing they are SF aspirants..Have you seen any analysis or problem finding ability in them?

I find most of them too high on blind bhakti and a narrow mind on others perspective which is a sign of lack of intelligence.

They show the behaviour of the worse dictators in their prime.

I doubt if the Army hires such people due to shortage how will it progress..This is just fill up the seats criteria then.

No wonder we have such brats in X.


Back in the 70s Army job used to give huge competition to IAS and IIT and was considered better than IIT because of the complete life it offered.

Education and Intelligence are two different things.Unless the Army hires the right people for the job and gives them freedom we wont be able to progress.

There is no excuse at all which the Chief can give about the condition of SF and Infantry of this Army.

Look at people like Major Sapru and see how calm and composed they are towards criticism and openly admit failures..These are the men SF should have and should be idols for aspirants..No wonder the man writes books and wanders all over the world for adventure wearing his Rolex!

It's very rare overall here to be able to give criticism without being termed as disobedient and bratty.

In the army it's magnified x100. Almost everyone is content with the status quo, and don't want to change. It's a whole echochamber, and only a few and helpless are aware of what's happening outside

A wake up call is probably across the horizon by the end of this decade, if not earlier. But it won't be nice. But I hope at least that'll be the shock which finally changes us for the better.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

True. anybody who has grown up in a Fauji household will tell you the same. IMO i have a theory for that too.

The culture of the Army Changed Drastically post Lanka - The Army came back dejected, demoralized, abandoned by their country and smarting from getting their arses kicked.

Then came the Kashmir Insurgency - Promotions, Cash Prizes and Medals were handed out for COIN Kills - essentially Peace Time Operations - This became the "Ego Filler" within the miltiary post Lanka and that culture has continued - you see it in the NE as well.

I will tell you a different story from this..

My old man was very strict about work and all..he was a no nonsense person when it came to work.

I have shared stories about him in the past of him killing a Afghani taliban from close and him being a very strict person even to me.

He was called initially when the RR was being setup becuase back then they needed officers who were badass and didnt give a F because we were almost going to loose Kashmir.

He did a pretty good job back then in terms of strategy and planning and placing units for assaults..those times the numbers were big.

Instead of higher promotion he was given a stupid posting in Southern command.

Went to the office and drilled the officer in charge for lack of discipline on the first day…the officer said “sir why are you angry this is a picnic posting”

Fumed and came home and i was the guinea pig for his anger that day

Couldnt socialise..couldnt give gifts on birthdays and anniversary coz we were living a humble honest life.

A soldier who was on alert deployment in Punjab..was a commado school instructor..was in 1987 china clash…faught with bodos..killed a terrorist in clise quarters..completed all his courses with AXI grading..did impressive job in Kashmir with a citation promised…neither got the citation nor got promoted for a important position.

Retired in a babu job despite being a infantryman.

I am not sharing this for some accolades as i hardly care and these are not my achievements but you will get an idea about how things are!

 

[rkhanna]

A wake up call is probably across the horizon by the end of this decade

IMO The only wake up we will get is from is our neighbour to the north - it wont be pretty

[Though i do see a Joint Pak-Bangla mini adventure on the horizon - which we will navigate and futher go into a false sense of security and superiority]

 

[MiketheInfantryman]

I will tell you a different story from this..

My old man was very strict about work and all..he was a no nonsense person when it came to work.

I have shared stories about him in the past of him killing a Afghani taliban from close and him being a very strict person even to me.

He was called initially when the RR was being setup becuase back then they needed officers who were badass and didnt give a F because we were almost going to loose Kashmir.

He did a pretty good job back then in terms of strategy and planning and placing units for assaults..those times the numbers were big.

Instead of higher promotion he was given a stupid posting in Southern command.

Went to the office and drilled the officer in charge for lack of discipline on the first day…the officer said “sir why are you angry this is a picnic posting”

Fumed and came home and i was the guinea pig for his anger that day

Couldnt socialise..couldnt give gifts on birthdays and anniversary coz we were living a humble honest life.

A soldier who was on alert deployment in Punjab..was a commado school instructor..was in 1987 china clash…faught with bodos..killed a terrorist in clise quarters..completed all his courses with AXI grading..did impressive job in Kashmir with a citation promised…neither got the citation nor got promoted for a important position.

Retired in a babu job despite being a infantryman.

I am not sharing this for some accolades as i hardly care and these are not my achievements but you will get an idea about how things are!

I remember my father's CO almost was like this. Quite a bit eccentric, really strict and didn't take nonsense, but was innovative and willing to learn. Overall could've been a really good senior officer if he got promoted. But didn't get the promotion, sent to SSB posting and retired few months ago as a Col.

I also remember an incident where an officer's ACR slumped just because his wife didn't bother to attend parties and functions. He was competent enough and worked hard, but just because of this his career's fate was almost decided at that point.

In retrospect, I am not surprised seeing our army SF in this state. Navy managed to not get stuck in this cycle and decided to do better.


Hopefully in the next war, we get a new SF unit and make Paras into a Ranger regiment equivalent (let me cope)

 

[TAVOUR 21]

10 para
-High altitude gear
-gas suit
-breaching tool
-also nightvision above CO head ??
in background

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

IMO The only wake up we will get is from is our neighbour to the north - it wont be pretty

[Though i do see a Joint Pak-Bangla mini adventure on the horizon - which we will navigate and futher go into a false sense of security and superiority]

Dont worry we will be victorious in news channels and thatswhat matters to the majority below average IQ public.

We lost so many operators in Jammu..has any news channels covered SF and its problems?

Very few officers have indirectly hinted on youtube like Gen Yash mor and Maj sapru but no one covered it in depth.

They expect its to go away like bad weather.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

View attachment 26743
10 para
-High altitude gear
-gas suit
-breaching tool
-also nightvision above CO head ??
in background

Seems like Carl gustav aiming scope

 

[IWIarad11]

View attachment 26743
10 para
-High altitude gear
-gas suit
-breaching tool
-also nightvision above CO head ??
in background

Yet to see dual tubes with 10. Only spotted with 1,9 and 4 so far.

 

[Knight 07]

Guys,
Is MARSOC about to be disbanded?

 

[Baseplate]

Guys,
Is MARSOC about to be disbanded?

What ?????????/

 

[Unknowncommando]

View: https://x.com/TacticalKafir/status/1897250243856797954

 

[TAVOUR 21]

View: https://youtu.be/Wcc0cskNN8U?feature=shared

 

[IWIarad11]

Silencer trt ke gaand meh ghusado