Indian Special Forces

My point is not to undermine the importance of handling internal issues or urban terror threats like 26/11 but to question whether the NSG, as it stands, is the most efficient use of resources.

If the NSG has been rarely deployed for combat, wouldn’t it make more sense to direct that budget toward units like the Army SF or state police SWAT? The NSG could either be repurposed for regular CT ops in Kashmir, relieving the Army SF and RR, or its resources could strengthen existing structures.

Given, that our armed forces are loosely modeled on the UK, any exceptional high-intensity terror attack would come under the prerogative of the SAS. My point is if we have a force like NSG, maintained exclusively for domestic CT ops why not use it extensively in the actual CT zone i.e. Kashmir? NSG any day is better trained and equipped than CRPF or RR for such roles. What are they getting trained for then?

Also, restructuring the Parachute Regiment into a dedicated SF unit while creating a separate Airborne/Pathfinder regiment would enhance role clarity and operational efficiency. This isn’t about abandoning urban CT capability but ensuring every resource is used where it's most effective.

NSG's operational area of responsibility is only part of the story, NSG is also a centre of excellence . meaning if anyone in the country is going to write a field manual on domain expertise, it is going to come from NSG. in practical terms, what ever knowledge they gain, is the one that is going to be disseminated to future or current state/city "SWAT" or bomb disposal teams.

if RR or IA gain or develop new tactics, chances are that knowledge is going to spread horizontally within the IA but not a parallel govt silo. it will need some MHA IPS/IAS officer with out-of-box thinking to recognise the value of such tactic to bring it to central gormint level so that it can be disseminated.

NSG may not be actively operating in J&K, but their troops are rotating in and out of J&K in their parent org before and after their NSG deputation, some of them.
 
Lets say NSG is disbanded today…

Do you think Para will become SEALs?

Is NSG stopping Para from purchasing anything?

Haha this is where our understanding of the problem is.

Para SF are getting obliterated in encounters and wearing worse equipment than Ugandans coz of themselves…They..Their..Them!!!!!!!

NSG is a elite counter terrorism,sabotage and hijack and bomb squad unit which TRAINS Para SF on Urban combat.

Sky Marshalls are also a big responsibility of NSG.

When a Para SF operator goes and joins NSG he takes only thing is his Airborne batch…whereas he gets to train in unarmed combat,urban warfare, grooming which his unit didnt provide,new firing techniques,new tactics etc.

Its a win win situation even for the Para.
 
Lets say NSG is disbanded today…

Do you think Para will become SEALs?

Is NSG stopping Para from purchasing anything?

Haha this is where our understanding of the problem is.

Para SF are getting obliterated in encounters and wearing worse equipment than Ugandans coz of themselves…They..Their..Them!!!!!!!

NSG is a elite counter terrorism,sabotage and hijack and bomb squad unit which TRAINS Para SF on Urban combat.

Sky Marshalls are also a big responsibility of NSG.

When a Para SF operator goes and joins NSG he takes only thing is his Airborne batch…whereas he gets to train in unarmed combat,urban warfare, grooming which his unit didnt provide,new firing techniques,new tactics etc.

Its a win win situation even for the Para.
Just curious: do you have a personal animosity towards para sf?! 😂
 
Just curious: do you have a personal animosity towards para sf?! 😂
I dont think he does, but the point makes sense. I mean look at how thr Army treats it's SF, a super infantry. Someone retired said that Ghataks are the special forces for the battalion and SF are the special forces in general...that's not the disntinction. Doing tactical raids is no longer considered 'special' what it used to be. How much have Para SF shown in any of the MOUT exercises with the US, the battlefields are changing and we dont seem to.

Lastly I dont understand what people are saying here about NSG, it is obviously needed
  1. It has the best EOD unit in the country. It's even called National Bomb Data Centre (NBDC), dont think that means something ?
  2. NSG is the only one to provide antihijacking and air marshal capability, dont tell me that is not required.
  3. NSG is India's fedral Counter Terrorism and Anti terrorism unit.....if there's a threat in a metropolitan city beyond the capabilities of regional SWAT, NSG is what we need.
 
When a Para SF operator goes and joins NSG he takes only thing is his Airborne batch…whereas he gets to train in unarmed combat,urban warfare, grooming which is unit didnt provide,new firing techniques,new tactics etc.

Downside is the lack of Inst Memory of their Operators as SAG all rotate back. I would like to see SAG be a permanent posting
 
I think m4 is our
But attachments is of usa
Bcoz us army use hk416

No dude. Pretty sure the M4 is american too. The most common weapon in any US Armed Forces unit is still the M4A1 Block 1 (barring probably the top SOF units). And it makes no sense for US to take out our M4s without the standard attachments. Conversely, makes no sense that Americans would give just the attachments for our M4s.

AFAIK the Americans will NEVER use someone elses weapons.
 
IMO the problem is COIN. Post Lanka - the kills in JK/NE brought medals and cash prizes / Promotions to Units/COs etc.

The CO wants to derisk him self and get the highest reward- so they call for SF for every single thing.

Its a symptom of overall cultural issues within the Army.

(my 2 paisa only)
That is how Armoured troops started pouring in for ops in RR.

They had no idea even on how to take cover and fire.

They used to finish off their ammo quota in 30 mins.

This is the reason CBS was made ie to train non infantry troops.

Everyone wants to go there for promotion opportunities…no one wants to be left.

Or what sense would it make for a T90 tank driver or a Arty topchi to lift an AK.

In Lanka also they were in for a rude awakening..in the next war also it will be the same.

Our Army thinks their tanks would circle Paki cities and make them suffer…IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

With a judicious use of RPGs and Drones today you could make your enemy pay a heavy price in battle.

Are we even looking to afford a 10 tank loss a day in a long war?

BMPs would be 8 of those casualties.

To all those who say josh is everything on podcasts let me ask them didnt our hindu ancestors like Maratha and Rajputs not have josh…We have to upgrade tech and tactics.

You cant keep loosing men in small petty ops like that.
 
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Our enemy..

Read the comments of US soldiers about them.

The whole propoganda of them being conscripts and we will kick their ass with superior infantry and SF will go out of the window after first few days.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/s/DFgngHL5Qd

Only thing superior about IA is it’s stupidity, lack of farsightedness and inability to adopt.
Don’t know why it’s generals say that PLA is inexperienced, when they have ample experience in kicking our buts thoroughly.
And unlike us they don’t look like African militia even in propaganda videos.
 
People who think Galwan is a bench mark of how India can beat PLA Inf, are in for a rude awakening. A full blown conflict will see a lot more body bags on both sides before things become clear. This wont be a peer to peer conflict anymore like people tend to think.
I wont even touch the AF topic.
Navy is probably the only arm that can go toe to toe with them.
Are we talking about same incident where IA troupes were caught unprepared by PLA , beaten black and blue and rounded up with handcuffs for humiliating photo op?
Is it how they are planning to fight next skirmish? Let’s not go to a full-blown war because as per IA generals we don’t have resources for even a weak of intense war with PLA
 
Bcoz us army use hk416
No they don't. Marines use the M27 IAR and Recon kits which is H&K derivative. Army is still M4 based being replaced with the Sigs. SF used to have 416s, and still do but most use Noveske or URGI models as their first choice.
 
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AFAIK the Americans will NEVER use someone elses weapons.
Not really NEVER.
They have a Familiarisation training phase where they use the other countries weapons. Here in Europe when they cross train, they often do that.
Apart from that, OPFOR training is also done with Soviet style weapons to simulate the environment.
 
Only thing superior about IA is it’s stupidity, lack of farsightedness and inability to adopt.
Don’t know why it’s generals say that PLA is inexperienced, when they have ample experience in kicking our buts thoroughly.
And unlike us they don’t look like African militia even in propaganda videos.

Haven't you seen border movie, and not heard that phrase? chdiya nal main baaz ladawa sawa lakh ton ek ladawa taan Gobind Singh naam dharava. That's the moto. Indian army doesn't need modernization. ONLY jazbaa works.. and roti saag dudh ghee makhan basss. Desi laundey hai bhai.

How Marcos fought without helmet and adequate bullet proof metal plate in Taj, commando Teotia has explained. He was wounded and still fought, that's different thing that he was not well equipped but results are there. Jazba works, rest s*cks!
 
Are we talking about same incident where IA troupes were caught unprepared by PLA , beaten black and blue and rounded up with handcuffs for humiliating photo op?
Personally I find this whole line insulting to the men who died there that night. They weren't unprepared, they were initially overwhelmed and valiantly fought back. Our Men died and so did theirs. CCP buried that info and used prisoners to build their narratives. GOI did not and that is their fault.
You conveniently seem to ignore the few videos we have of our troops beating the living fuck out of those Chinese scums.
Whatever the case might be in the future in a full scale conflict, you can be sure that the men on the frontlines will fight like there's no tomorrow.
 

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